The Trade Thread II

[Skin]

I actually really like ibaka on this team. I think the struggles and constant trade rumors for the last month have affected his play. I'd be OK with him signing a long term deal with us but I think he'll probably be wearing a different jersey soon.

Yeah, it amazes me how our fans who want to trade Ibaka are so willing to do so. He has never said anything about wanting to leave... only the opposite. Criticizing his play is so "Magic fan like". He's our best player and people want to trade him for the value of a rental. So dumb. We gave up Dipo and the 11th for this guy. I'm going down with the ship if he leaves, but I'm NOT going to give up on him for a old bag of peanuts.

[magicfan4life88]

I actually really like ibaka on this team. I think the struggles and constant trade rumors for the last month have affected his play. I'd be OK with him signing a long term deal with us but I think he'll probably be wearing a different jersey soon.

I like him in the O too but I'm worried he leaves us in FA, but to have him on our team we really need a scorer or 2

[tiderulz]

I actually really like ibaka on this team. I think the struggles and constant trade rumors for the last month have affected his play. I'd be OK with him signing a long term deal with us but I think he'll probably be wearing a different jersey soon.

Yeah, it amazes me how our fans who want to trade Ibaka are so willing to do so. He has never said anything about wanting to leave... only the opposite. Criticizing his play is so "Magic fan like". He's our best player and people want to trade him for the value of a rental. So dumb. We gave up Dipo and the 11th for this guy. I'm going down with the ship if he leaves, but I'm NOT going to give up on him for a old bag of peanuts.

i think its more, we arent in a position to really win, and tying up $30mil/yr to him is what scares us. If you told me he will sign for $20mil/yr, im completely down for it

[Shady Franchise]

Orlando Magic Trade Breakdown
IN: Faried, Barton, Bledsoe
OUT: Vuc, Meeks, Gordon, Mario, Payton
WHY: Orlando does a big knee jerk reaction to this season's suckage, and trades their youth in an attempt to get Ibaka to commit long term to the franchise. We get the quality point guard, we get our wish for Fournier to become the 4th offensive player on the team, Ibaka gets his playoff squad, and the Magic are still sitting pretty with a solid 2017 pick. It's the best team we've put together since our Finals run. Use our 1st on a SF and next season eventually have the rookie start at SF, Barton at the SG and Fournier off the bench as the 6th man.

Bledsoe/DJ
Fournier/FA
Barton/ 2017 1st
Ibaka/Faried
Biz/FA/Zimmer

2017-2018
Bledsoe/DJ
Barton/Fournier
2017 ROOKIE/FA
Ibaka/Zimmer
Biz/FA

Denver Nuggets Trade Breakdown
IN: Vuc, Gordon
OUT: Faried, Barton, Nurkic
Phoenix Suns Trade Breakdown
IN: Meeks, Mario, Payton, Nurkic
OUT: Bledsoe

[anothermagicfan]

I actually really like ibaka on this team. I think the struggles and constant trade rumors for the last month have affected his play. I'd be OK with him signing a long term deal with us but I think he'll probably be wearing a different jersey soon.

Yeah, it amazes me how our fans who want to trade Ibaka are so willing to do so. He has never said anything about wanting to leave... only the opposite. Criticizing his play is so "Magic fan like". He's our best player and people want to trade him for the value of a rental. So dumb. We gave up Dipo and the 11th for this guy. I'm going down with the ship if he leaves, but I'm NOT going to give up on him for a old bag of peanuts.

i think its more, we arent in a position to really win, and tying up $30mil/yr to him is what scares us. If you told me he will sign for $20mil/yr, im completely down for it

Holy crap. I like serge but for 30 mil? Who the **** would pay that much for him. I'm not even sure he commands 20 mil. Definitely close to that but no way in hell he gets 30. If he gets that much in a contract we're talking serge for Carmelo type of trade. And no one is talking that type of trade.

[Skin]

I actually really like ibaka on this team. I think the struggles and constant trade rumors for the last month have affected his play. I'd be OK with him signing a long term deal with us but I think he'll probably be wearing a different jersey soon.

Yeah, it amazes me how our fans who want to trade Ibaka are so willing to do so. He has never said anything about wanting to leave... only the opposite. Criticizing his play is so "Magic fan like". He's our best player and people want to trade him for the value of a rental. So dumb. We gave up Dipo and the 11th for this guy. I'm going down with the ship if he leaves, but I'm NOT going to give up on him for a old bag of peanuts.

i think its more, we arent in a position to really win, and tying up $30mil/yr to him is what scares us. If you told me he will sign for $20mil/yr, im completely down for it

Screw that. He's worth it.

Where else are you going to tie up that money into? I want a real answer. On another Jeff Green (expensive 1 year deal) situation? What top FA do you think is going to come through if we DON'T even have a guy like Ibaka on the team? He's a unicorn. You pay for that.

[Skin]

Yeah, it amazes me how our fans who want to trade Ibaka are so willing to do so. He has never said anything about wanting to leave... only the opposite. Criticizing his play is so "Magic fan like". He's our best player and people want to trade him for the value of a rental. So dumb. We gave up Dipo and the 11th for this guy. I'm going down with the ship if he leaves, but I'm NOT going to give up on him for a old bag of peanuts.

i think its more, we arent in a position to really win, and tying up $30mil/yr to him is what scares us. If you told me he will sign for $20mil/yr, im completely down for it

Holy crap. I like serge but for 30 mil? Who the **** would pay that much for him. I'm not even sure he commands 20 mil. Definitely close to that but no way in hell he gets 30. If he gets that much in a contract we're talking serge for Carmelo type of trade. And no one is talking that type of trade.

The seriousness of the situation is that Serge is Top 3 in the "available" FA list after all the shoe-ins to return to their teams are accounted for (Curry, CP3, Blake, Hayward, Durant). With the amount of available cap space around the league, Serge is going to get PAID. That's what it takes to win in this league. Our job is to keep him and fix everything else around him.

He'll get $27-30M per year. Does that change your mind?

[Nemesis21]

Orlando Magic Trade Breakdown
IN: Faried, Barton, Bledsoe
OUT: Vuc, Meeks, Gordon, Mario, Payton
WHY: Orlando does a big knee jerk reaction to this season's suckage, and trades their youth in an attempt to get Ibaka to commit long term to the franchise. We get the quality point guard, we get our wish for Fournier to become the 4th offensive player on the team, Ibaka gets his playoff squad, and the Magic are still sitting pretty with a solid 2017 pick. It's the best team we've put together since our Finals run. Use our 1st on a SF and next season eventually have the rookie start at SF, Barton at the SG and Fournier off the bench as the 6th man.

Bledsoe/DJ
Fournier/FA
Barton/ 2017 1st
Ibaka/Faried
Biz/FA/Zimmer

2017-2018
Bledsoe/DJ
Barton/Fournier
2017 ROOKIE/FA
Ibaka/Zimmer
Biz/FA

Denver Nuggets Trade Breakdown
IN: Vuc, Gordon
OUT: Faried, Barton, Nurkic
Phoenix Suns Trade Breakdown
IN: Meeks, Mario, Payton, Nurkic
OUT: Bledsoe

[MagicFan101]

I actually really like ibaka on this team. I think the struggles and constant trade rumors for the last month have affected his play. I'd be OK with him signing a long term deal with us but I think he'll probably be wearing a different jersey soon.

Yeah, it amazes me how our fans who want to trade Ibaka are so willing to do so. He has never said anything about wanting to leave... only the opposite. Criticizing his play is so "Magic fan like". He's our best player and people want to trade him for the value of a rental. So dumb. We gave up Dipo and the 11th for this guy. I'm going down with the ship if he leaves, but I'm NOT going to give up on him for a old bag of peanuts.

I have said for quite a while that I am perfectly happy with no trade at all. Green can go. I don't care about him. But I'm perfectly happy to keep Ibaka, Vuc, AG, Elf and Evan.

This is a superstar driven league. We lack a super star. That is why we suck. Toss one legit star into this group of quality NBA players and we have something to work with.

If a great offer comes along then go for it but don't make a trade to make a trade.

I'm remaining hopeful that this draft will offer us the guy we need. This isn't a 2 or 3 player class. This is a 5-7 player class. Can we capitalize?

[anothermagicfan]

i think its more, we arent in a position to really win, and tying up $30mil/yr to him is what scares us. If you told me he will sign for $20mil/yr, im completely down for it

Holy crap. I like serge but for 30 mil? Who the **** would pay that much for him. I'm not even sure he commands 20 mil. Definitely close to that but no way in hell he gets 30. If he gets that much in a contract we're talking serge for Carmelo type of trade. And no one is talking that type of trade.

The seriousness of the situation is that Serge is Top 3 in the "available" FA list after all the shoe-ins to return to their teams are accounted for (Curry, CP3, Blake, Hayward, Durant). With the amount of available cap space around the league, Serge is going to get PAID. That's what it takes to win in this league. Our job is to keep him and fix everything else around him.

He'll get $27-30M per year. Does that change your mind?

Nope. You got 5 players in parentheses there that are worth paying 30 mil. I like serge a lot. I think rob has done a good job with the hand he's been dealt. However if he gave serge 30 mil/year I'd go from defending him to the one creating the thread for him to be fired.

I'll give you a list of 30 mil/year players serge has played with...at the same time...and didn't win a title with. Westbrook, durant, harden. If serge was that level of player those boys would have a couple trophies.

[Driguez]

We can match Ibaka, so we wouldn't lose him for nothing, but it's gonna cost us. That's where the issue lies.

[Skin]

Holy crap. I like serge but for 30 mil? Who the **** would pay that much for him. I'm not even sure he commands 20 mil. Definitely close to that but no way in hell he gets 30. If he gets that much in a contract we're talking serge for Carmelo type of trade. And no one is talking that type of trade.

The seriousness of the situation is that Serge is Top 3 in the "available" FA list after all the shoe-ins to return to their teams are accounted for (Curry, CP3, Blake, Hayward, Durant). With the amount of available cap space around the league, Serge is going to get PAID. That's what it takes to win in this league. Our job is to keep him and fix everything else around him.

He'll get $27-30M per year. Does that change your mind?

Nope. You got 5 players in parentheses there that are worth paying 30 mil. I like serge a lot. I think rob has done a good job with the hand he's been dealt. However if he gave serge 30 mil/year I'd go from defending him to the one creating the thread for him to be fired.

I'll give you a list of 30 mil/year list of players serge has played with...at the same time...and didn't win a title with. Westbrook, durant, harden. If serge was that level of player those boys would have a couple trophies.

If that's your thought process, then you trade Ibaka at the deadline for whatever you can get and you realize what a dumbass you were for giving up Oladipo and the 11th pick... and then start cleaning up your desk for the next GM.

My question for you is the same it was for tiderulz... Who do you save the money for? Extensions for Payton and Gordon? Then Hezonja? ...and back to Vucevic? What other FAs are you saving the money for who will come on a deal you deem "affordable"? Brooklyn can't even attrack FAs with Max money. How will we be any different? I admire the firm stance, but I want to know what the alternate plan is.

[Skin]

We can match Ibaka, so we wouldn't lose him for nothing, but it's gonna cost us. That's where the issue lies.

Ibaka is not a Restricted FA. We can't match. We can only offer him 5 years when other teams can offer him 4. We can also go over the cap when we sign him. But we cannot match and force him to stay with us.

[JAY DASH]

Serge Ibaka aka 5 points and 2 rebounds against the Hawks and 4 points in a game like 2 weeks ago is not our best player. He's a jump shooting PF that grabs uncontested rebounds and blocks a shot every now and then. If he played with the same energy that he played with last night the thought of trading him wouldn't have even come up. Management knew coming into the season that he was going to be a FA at the end of the year.

[Driguez]

We can match Ibaka, so we wouldn't lose him for nothing, but it's gonna cost us. That's where the issue lies.

Ibaka is not a Restricted FA. We can't match. We can only offer him 5 years when other teams can offer him 4. We can also go over the cap when we sign him. But we cannot match and force him to stay with us.

Thanks for clarifying

[MagicFan101]

$30M per is too much. We all agree.

What is Ibaka worth? If we don't trade him, what is a (realistic) contract you would be happy with?

5 years $100M?

That puts him a bit above Biz and Evan at $20M per. That is A LOT of money but still far short of a modern max deal. If Ibaka is willing to take that or something close to it then bring it on. If he really does want $30M per then hello to AG the PF.

[axl_c_cool]

Holy crap. I like serge but for 30 mil? Who the **** would pay that much for him. I'm not even sure he commands 20 mil. Definitely close to that but no way in hell he gets 30. If he gets that much in a contract we're talking serge for Carmelo type of trade. And no one is talking that type of trade.

The seriousness of the situation is that Serge is Top 3 in the "available" FA list after all the shoe-ins to return to their teams are accounted for (Curry, CP3, Blake, Hayward, Durant). With the amount of available cap space around the league, Serge is going to get PAID. That's what it takes to win in this league. Our job is to keep him and fix everything else around him.

He'll get $27-30M per year. Does that change your mind?

Nope. You got 5 players in parentheses there that are worth paying 30 mil. I like serge a lot. I think rob has done a good job with the hand he's been dealt. However if he gave serge 30 mil/year I'd go from defending him to the one creating the thread for him to be fired.

I'll give you a list of 30 mil/year players serge has played with...at the same time...and didn't win a title with. Westbrook, durant, harden. If serge was that level of player those boys would have a couple trophies.

Under the current salary cap 30M isn't what it was last year and it won't be what it is this year. I'm with Skin, if we know he has serious interest we need to keep him, our current situation we need to sign him at a premium. The questions are though

- Will he sign 4-5 years? or a 2 year player option
- What does it mean for AG at PF/SF
- What will we do with Vucevic and Biyombo, we can't keep all 3


If we don't have assurances I'm expecting Ibaka to be traded, it's too much of a risk for Hennigan to lose him for nothing. If we have assurances, no matter the price, I'm expecting Biyombo, Vucevic, Gordon, Payton, and Fournier to all be available. Biyombo would likely be Rob's ideal trade piece so he can put Ibaka and Vucevic next to each other. Gordon might be available for the right player and also because PF will be locked up if we resign Serge. Fournier and Payton are complimentary players (at present) and don't play well together, as well as the signing of Ibaka would leave us with PG/SG/SF as the only real positions we can upgrade and find a star at.


My personal preference would be to

A) Trade pieces outside of Gordon/Payton/Hezonja for a 'star'/Allstar level talent
B) Trade the same pieces for young players and picks and tank


The next 2 weeks are going to be very interesting for the Magic!

[Skin]

The seriousness of the situation is that Serge is Top 3 in the "available" FA list after all the shoe-ins to return to their teams are accounted for (Curry, CP3, Blake, Hayward, Durant). With the amount of available cap space around the league, Serge is going to get PAID. That's what it takes to win in this league. Our job is to keep him and fix everything else around him.

He'll get $27-30M per year. Does that change your mind?

Nope. You got 5 players in parentheses there that are worth paying 30 mil. I like serge a lot. I think rob has done a good job with the hand he's been dealt. However if he gave serge 30 mil/year I'd go from defending him to the one creating the thread for him to be fired.

I'll give you a list of 30 mil/year players serge has played with...at the same time...and didn't win a title with. Westbrook, durant, harden. If serge was that level of player those boys would have a couple trophies.

Under the current salary cap 30M isn't what it was last year and it won't be what it is this year. I'm with Skin, if we know he has serious interest we need to keep him, our current situation we need to sign him at a premium. The questions are though

- Will he sign 4-5 years? or a 2 year player option
- What does it mean for AG at PF/SF
- What will we do with Vucevic and Biyombo, we can't keep all 3


If we don't have assurances I'm expecting Ibaka to be traded, it's too much of a risk for Hennigan to lose him for nothing. If we have assurances, no matter the price, I'm expecting Biyombo, Vucevic, Gordon, Payton, and Fournier to all be available. Biyombo would likely be Rob's ideal trade piece so he can put Ibaka and Vucevic next to each other. Gordon might be available for the right player and also because PF will be locked up if we resign Serge. Fournier and Payton are complimentary players (at present) and don't play well together, as well as the signing of Ibaka would leave us with PG/SG/SF as the only real positions we can upgrade and find a star at.


My personal preference would be to

A) Trade pieces outside of Gordon/Payton/Hezonja for a 'star'/Allstar level talent
B) Trade the same pieces for young players and picks and tank


The next 2 weeks are going to be very interesting for the Magic!

- Will he sign 4-5 years? or a 2 year player option

He'll either sign with us for 5 years because he wants to get as much money as he can OR he will sign for 4 years with a contender who can pay him the Max or close to it. The dark horse option is that he goes back to OKC which would be a genius plan, actually.

- What does it mean for AG at PF/SF

If Ibaka leaves, AG will get more minutes at PF. If Ibaka stays, AG could end up being a 6th man (finding minutes between SF and PF). His time as a starter at SF could be very short lived. The only way out of that is him taking a big step forward in his game, but I don't see the true inner desire.

- What will we do with Vucevic and Biyombo, we can't keep all 3.

We can keep all 3. But we should trade Vuc. He's the black cat. We'll never really win relying on him.

[axl_c_cool]

Nope. You got 5 players in parentheses there that are worth paying 30 mil. I like serge a lot. I think rob has done a good job with the hand he's been dealt. However if he gave serge 30 mil/year I'd go from defending him to the one creating the thread for him to be fired.

I'll give you a list of 30 mil/year players serge has played with...at the same time...and didn't win a title with. Westbrook, durant, harden. If serge was that level of player those boys would have a couple trophies.

Under the current salary cap 30M isn't what it was last year and it won't be what it is this year. I'm with Skin, if we know he has serious interest we need to keep him, our current situation we need to sign him at a premium. The questions are though

- Will he sign 4-5 years? or a 2 year player option
- What does it mean for AG at PF/SF
- What will we do with Vucevic and Biyombo, we can't keep all 3


If we don't have assurances I'm expecting Ibaka to be traded, it's too much of a risk for Hennigan to lose him for nothing. If we have assurances, no matter the price, I'm expecting Biyombo, Vucevic, Gordon, Payton, and Fournier to all be available. Biyombo would likely be Rob's ideal trade piece so he can put Ibaka and Vucevic next to each other. Gordon might be available for the right player and also because PF will be locked up if we resign Serge. Fournier and Payton are complimentary players (at present) and don't play well together, as well as the signing of Ibaka would leave us with PG/SG/SF as the only real positions we can upgrade and find a star at.


My personal preference would be to

A) Trade pieces outside of Gordon/Payton/Hezonja for a 'star'/Allstar level talent
B) Trade the same pieces for young players and picks and tank


The next 2 weeks are going to be very interesting for the Magic!

- Will he sign 4-5 years? or a 2 year player option

He'll either sign with us for 5 years because he wants to get as much money as he can OR he will sign for 4 years with a contender who can pay him the Max or close to it. The dark horse option is that he goes back to OKC which would be a genius plan, actually.

- What does it mean for AG at PF/SF

If Ibaka leaves, AG will get more minutes at PF. If Ibaka stays, AG could end up being a 6th man (finding minutes between SF and PF). His time as a starter at SF could be very short lived. The only way out of that is him taking a big step forward in his game, but I don't see the true inner desire.

- What will we do with Vucevic and Biyombo, we can't keep all 3.

We can keep all 3. But we should trade Vuc. He's the black cat. We'll never really win relying on him.

What don't you see you Gordon, I see it with him to be an Allstar, just not a superstar. He's so young and improved a lot this season


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[anothermagicfan]

The seriousness of the situation is that Serge is Top 3 in the "available" FA list after all the shoe-ins to return to their teams are accounted for (Curry, CP3, Blake, Hayward, Durant). With the amount of available cap space around the league, Serge is going to get PAID. That's what it takes to win in this league. Our job is to keep him and fix everything else around him.

He'll get $27-30M per year. Does that change your mind?

Nope. You got 5 players in parentheses there that are worth paying 30 mil. I like serge a lot. I think rob has done a good job with the hand he's been dealt. However if he gave serge 30 mil/year I'd go from defending him to the one creating the thread for him to be fired.

I'll give you a list of 30 mil/year players serge has played with...at the same time...and didn't win a title with. Westbrook, durant, harden. If serge was that level of player those boys would have a couple trophies.

Under the current salary cap 30M isn't what it was last year and it won't be what it is this year. I'm with Skin, if we know he has serious interest we need to keep him, our current situation we need to sign him at a premium. The questions are though

- Will he sign 4-5 years? or a 2 year player option
- What does it mean for AG at PF/SF
- What will we do with Vucevic and Biyombo, we can't keep all 3


If we don't have assurances I'm expecting Ibaka to be traded, it's too much of a risk for Hennigan to lose him for nothing. If we have assurances, no matter the price, I'm expecting Biyombo, Vucevic, Gordon, Payton, and Fournier to all be available. Biyombo would likely be Rob's ideal trade piece so he can put Ibaka and Vucevic next to each other. Gordon might be available for the right player and also because PF will be locked up if we resign Serge. Fournier and Payton are complimentary players (at present) and don't play well together, as well as the signing of Ibaka would leave us with PG/SG/SF as the only real positions we can upgrade and find a star at.


My personal preference would be to

A) Trade pieces outside of Gordon/Payton/Hezonja for a 'star'/Allstar level talent
B) Trade the same pieces for young players and picks and tank


The next 2 weeks are going to be very interesting for the Magic!

I get that 30 mil isn't what 30 mil used to be. I still think serge isn't worth 30 mil/year. I don't think he gets 30 mil/year iether. I just read a report saying nba has reduced the salary cap expectations for the next couple years.