Political Roundtable Part XII

[Ruzious]

Here is the most reputable summary of "pizzagate" I could find. http://www.unz.com/article/pizzagate/

There's certainly no hard proof of this and I'm not in any way saying that there is. But there is a lot of weird stuff going on. It may only be confirmation bias, but some of the things are highly coincidental and/or pretty inexplicable.

The weirdest Podesta email involves Joe Podesta being asked this question: “The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related). Is it yours?” That's just weird. You don't put those words together unless it's code for something.

Another email involves Podesta being invited to a farm and the host says, “Bonnie will be Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in [the] pool for sure.”. That's possibly innocuous, but why include their ages? Again, it's weird enough to raise an eyebrow.

Then there's a whole bunch of weird and creepy photos from jimmycomet's instagram, and there's the strange coincidence on how comet pizza's logo is suspiciously similar to known pedophilia logos. Beyond that, there's a bunch of six-degrees-of-separation coincidences that are just as likely to be confirmation bias as anything else.

Here's a reddit thread on some of the weirder emails: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5b1wbv/who_plays_dominos_on_cheese_or_pasta_internet/

Again, before everyone jumps all over me, I'm not saying I believe this. And I certainly haven't seen anything that PROVES there's a pedophilia ring. All I'm just saying there's some weird stuff going on. If nothing else, Joe Podesta is definitely a creepy guy. Judge for yourself.

I guess this was inevitable, but you lost another long-time poster to this forum. It's obviously not just for that post. And yes, you said you don't necessarily believe it, but just posting garbage like that... very low IQ people bought into this crap and continue to. One fired shots trying to "investigate" it - that's a terrorist act. To give the story any hint of credibility is beyond wrong. I'm out.

[nate33]

Here is the most reputable summary of "pizzagate" I could find. http://www.unz.com/article/pizzagate/

There's certainly no hard proof of this and I'm not in any way saying that there is. But there is a lot of weird stuff going on. It may only be confirmation bias, but some of the things are highly coincidental and/or pretty inexplicable.

The weirdest Podesta email involves Joe Podesta being asked this question: “The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related). Is it yours?” That's just weird. You don't put those words together unless it's code for something.

Another email involves Podesta being invited to a farm and the host says, “Bonnie will be Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in [the] pool for sure.”. That's possibly innocuous, but why include their ages? Again, it's weird enough to raise an eyebrow.

Then there's a whole bunch of weird and creepy photos from jimmycomet's instagram, and there's the strange coincidence on how comet pizza's logo is suspiciously similar to known pedophilia logos. Beyond that, there's a bunch of six-degrees-of-separation coincidences that are just as likely to be confirmation bias as anything else.

Here's a reddit thread on some of the weirder emails: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5b1wbv/who_plays_dominos_on_cheese_or_pasta_internet/

Again, before everyone jumps all over me, I'm not saying I believe this. And I certainly haven't seen anything that PROVES there's a pedophilia ring. All I'm just saying there's some weird stuff going on. If nothing else, Joe Podesta is definitely a creepy guy. Judge for yourself.

I guess this was inevitable, but you lost another long-time poster to this forum. It's obviously not just for that post. And yes, you said you don't necessarily believe it, but just posting garbage like that... very low IQ people bought into this crap and continue to. One fired shots trying to "investigate" it - that's a terrorist act. To give the story any hint of credibility is beyond wrong. I'm out.

You do what you have to do. I didn't give it any credibility other than to post the actual emails from wikileaks. Those emails exist. They are facts. Those jimmycomet Instagram photos exist. They are facts. I didn't postulate anything further.

Pedophilia rings do exist, and they sometimes involve the rich and powerful. There was a huge pedophilia ring bust in Norway just a few months ago involving police and prominent politicians. There was a huge pedophilia bust in 2011 involving at least 230 child victims and hundreds, if not thousands of participantts.

[Illuminaire]

Pizzagate relies too much on those seven degrees of separation connections for me to give it credibility. You can use that level of reason to prove literally anything.

That said, I can't completely write off any conspiracy theory after all the insane crap that wikileaks broke over the last six months. At the very least, I agree that those emails are *weird*. But actual concrete evidence is needed for me to believe there is a vast secret network of pedophiles servicing the highest echelons of Washington political power, operating right under millions of noses.

[Wizardspride]

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[bealwithit]

Pizzagate is pretty much scraped from the bottom of the collective-InfoWars/TheDonald subreddit/4chan's politics-board barrel. The e-mails are weird, yeah, best non-pedophile ring reason is Podesta seems like a goober in real life so it reflects in his e-mails I guess. All the weird codewords are strange, sure, but you don't know if they're inside jokes among friends or who knows what. This is what happens when people's private conversations among people they know well become public. Context matters. We have no idea what they're talking about.

Child sex rings do exist, as nate pointed out. I'm sure we've all heard of the heavily rumored pedophilia among Hollywood big wigs and such. These things are an unfortunate reality. However, linking one to this pizza place and using the restaurant's logo and its instagram photos as evidence is about as lame as you can get. Do you really think if you were running a child sex trafficking ring out of your pizza restaurant that you'd be dropping hints about it all the time on the internet to like... tease the people who are onto you or something? It just gets into absolute nonsense territory at this point. Pure silliness to give this story credit and thank god it went away after that guy shot up the place and everyone realized oh wait, these types of allegations have real-life consequences.

[Induveca]

It's ridiculous agreed Bealwithit, happy it went away. But odd that Ruz rage quit when he's been discussing it himself directly for a few weeks (around the protests).

Hope he reconsiders. If not wish him the best.

[tontoz]

A lot of people thought the Catholic priest scandal was just a crazy conspiracy theory.

[montestewart]

A lot of people thought the Catholic priest scandal was just a crazy conspiracy theory.

Yeah, those thousands of people all over the world who came forward with allegations about priests must have been in some kind of cult. There were so many of them, and they all used virtually identical language ("molested," etc.) almost like the accusations were orchestrated by some hidden power. It's just like with Cosby, The Donald, Little Rock Willie, etc. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, and the more of them you have, the more unreliable they are. In Pizzagate, on the other hand, you have rock hard evidence: multiple emails posted on Wikileaks that reference pasta, bleu cheese, and other "so called" food items. Give me a break! This is obviously referencing easy D.

[gtn130]

LOL Nate doesn't believe Pizzagate is credible, yet is up on every last detail and will defend it to the death. SHOCKING stuff here as Nate continues to bat 1.000 on being all-in on every last word ever written on Breitbart.

[bealwithit]

A lot of people thought the Catholic priest scandal was just a crazy conspiracy theory.

I mean, this post was a joke right?

Any actual, real discussion of Pizzagate as a legitimate story does not belong in this thread and should be taken to the three places I named in my last post. Go wild over there.

[Illuminaire]

Eh. We discuss all sorts of crap here. It is a political issue (even just an example of paranoid counterculture in action), so it's on topic. I'm a little tired of people trying to decide what should and shouldn't be discussed... if current events are indicative, that seems to be the real argument of the day.

We have discussion forums so that words and ideas can be weighed and measured through conversation. I didn't particularly like it when Hands was still here responding to himself for ten straight posts - and I rarely agreed with his positions - but I always throught he should have the platform to say his piece.

Six months ago most of what came out in wikileaks would have sounded almost as insane as pizzagate. I do think pizzagate IS an example of paranoia, rather than an actual conspiracy, but if someone wants to debate the evidence (or lack thereof) then this is in fact a perfectly acceptable place to do that.

I don't have anything else to say on that subject so I'll leave it to anyone who does. I'm just against no-platforming these kinds of discussions.

[bealwithit]

Eh. We discuss all sorts of crap here. It is a political issue (even just an example of paranoid counterculture in action), so it's on topic. I'm a little tired of people trying to decide what should and shouldn't be discussed... if current events are indicative, that seems to be the real argument of the day.

We have discussion forums so that words and ideas can be weighed and measured through conversation. I didn't particularly like it when Hands was still here responding to himself for ten straight posts - and I rarely agreed with his positions - but I always throught he should have the platform to say his piece.

Six months ago most of what came out in wikileaks would have sounded almost as insane as pizzagate. I do think pizzagate IS an example of paranoia, rather than an actual conspiracy, but if someone wants to debate the evidence (or lack thereof) then this is in fact a perfectly acceptable place to do that.

I don't have anything else to say on that subject so I'll leave it to anyone who does. I'm just against no-platforming these kinds of discussions.

Not sure at all how you see wild speculation about John Podesta being involved in a child sex ring with a pizza restaurant has any merit of being a political discussion and not a conspiracy theory is beyond me. But hey, guess you're right. Post about whatever you want, no one has to respond to it if it's garbage.

[tontoz]

A lot of people thought the Catholic priest scandal was just a crazy conspiracy theory.

Yeah, those thousands of people all over the world who came forward with allegations about priests must have been in some kind of cult. There were so many of them, and they all used virtually identical language ("molested," etc.) almost like the accusations were orchestrated by some hidden power. It's just like with Cosby, The Donald, Little Rock Willie, etc. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, and the more of them you have, the more unreliable they are. In Pizzagate, on the other hand, you have rock hard evidence: multiple emails posted on Wikileaks that reference pasta, bleu cheese, and other "so called" food items. Give me a break! This is obviously referencing easy D.

It didnt start out with "thousands of people all over the world". It started out with accusations in one city that the church aggressively denied. Nobody at the time could have predicted that it would blow up into an international scandal.

I am basically indifferent to pizzagate but when you look at things that have been proven to be true (Weiner/Hastert) i can see why people aren't so quick to dismiss it.

[montestewart]

A lot of people thought the Catholic priest scandal was just a crazy conspiracy theory.

Yeah, those thousands of people all over the world who came forward with allegations about priests must have been in some kind of cult. There were so many of them, and they all used virtually identical language ("molested," etc.) almost like the accusations were orchestrated by some hidden power. It's just like with Cosby, The Donald, Little Rock Willie, etc. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, and the more of them you have, the more unreliable they are. In Pizzagate, on the other hand, you have rock hard evidence: multiple emails posted on Wikileaks that reference pasta, bleu cheese, and other "so called" food items. Give me a break! This is obviously referencing easy D.

It didnt start out with "thousands of people all over the world". It started out with accusations in one city that the church aggressively denied. Nobody at the time could have predicted that it would blow up into an international scandal.

I am basically indifferent to pizzagate but when you look at things that have been proven to be true (Weiner/Hastert) i can see why people aren't so quick to dismiss it.

If you are talking about Boston, it was better covered in Ireland before that story broke, and yes, it was thousands of people all over the world, and many outlets, including occasionally MSM reporting on it.

Much as the church tried so very hard to make it all sound like a "crazy conspiracy theory," it never seemed like one to me, because the evidence was the victims, from all over the world, having nothing to do with each other. What sounded like a "crazy conspiracy theory" was the official church's constantly shifting denials. What sounded guilty almost immediately to me was the church, sounding like a classic villain in a movie.

The worldwide Catholic Church priest-molester scandals were more like an avalanche of allegations that widespread, monied interests tried hard to ignore, despite evidence. Pizzagate has lurid descriptions of pasta and no actual proof of anything, no identified victim, just ridiculously disconnected dots connected by anonymous whackos on whacko websites, read by other people on other whacko website who say, "Could be, they haven't proven it didn't happen." Don't they have a name for that?



Someone needs to do a lots more MSM journalism, you know, with actual facts, before I'm going to believe it's anything but aliens that were molesting those boys.

[tontoz]

Yeah, those thousands of people all over the world who came forward with allegations about priests must have been in some kind of cult. There were so many of them, and they all used virtually identical language ("molested," etc.) almost like the accusations were orchestrated by some hidden power. It's just like with Cosby, The Donald, Little Rock Willie, etc. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable, and the more of them you have, the more unreliable they are. In Pizzagate, on the other hand, you have rock hard evidence: multiple emails posted on Wikileaks that reference pasta, bleu cheese, and other "so called" food items. Give me a break! This is obviously referencing easy D.

It didnt start out with "thousands of people all over the world". It started out with accusations in one city that the church aggressively denied. Nobody at the time could have predicted that it would blow up into an international scandal.

I am basically indifferent to pizzagate but when you look at things that have been proven to be true (Weiner/Hastert) i can see why people aren't so quick to dismiss it.

If you are talking about Boston, it was better covered in Ireland before that story broke, and yes, it was thousands of people all over the world, and many outlets, including occasionally MSM reporting on it.

Much as the church tried so very hard to make it all sound like a "crazy conspiracy theory," it never seemed like one to me, because the evidence was the victims, from all over the world, having nothing to do with each other. What sounded like a "crazy conspiracy theory" was the official church's constantly shifting denials. What sounded guilty almost immediately to me was the church, sounding like a classic villain in a movie.

The worldwide Catholic Church priest-molester scandals were more like an avalanche of allegations that widespread, monied interests tried hard to ignore, despite evidence. Pizzagate has lurid descriptions of pasta and no actual proof of anything, no identified victim, just ridiculously disconnected dots connected by anonymous whackos on whacko websites, read by other people on other whacko website who say, "Could be, they haven't proven it didn't happen." Don't they have a name for that?



Someone needs to do a lots more MSM journalism, you know, with actual facts, before I'm going to believe it's anything but aliens that were molesting those boys.

So you weren't one of the many people who thought the priest scandal wasn't a conspiracy theory, but that doesn't change my point. A lot of people simply weren't aware of what was going on all over the world at the time. The media landscape was very different back then.

I don't know enough to say whether or not pizzagate is real or bogus. I need more info before I can believe it is true but I also need more info before I can dismiss it. I am not going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[penbeast0]

I have students who believe that George W. Bush masterminded 9-11, that the Bavarian Illuminati still exist and run the United Nations, and that the whole space program is a fake. I was even married to a highly educated and elegant woman who told me that an Al Jazeera story that Jews kidnapped and killed Muslim babies to use their blood to make matzos for Passover that I was fuming over "could be true." (Obviously we are divorced now.) If you are going to make extremely damaging accusations about real people or groups, you had better have some serious and real evidence before airing them.

[Induveca]

If you are going to make extremely damaging accusations about real people or groups, you had better have some serious and real evidence before airing them.

Sadly the bar for "serious" and "real", has been lowered to "published". Nearly everything published by the MSM, even remotely political, is a quasi-editorial hit piece.

[AFM]

PIZZAGATE is real though. I was at Comet Ping Pong the other day with PIF, and we both asked for "12 year old pizza", then we winked at the guy. We could tell he knew exactly what we were talking about.

[Kanyewest]

Here is the most reputable summary of "pizzagate" I could find. http://www.unz.com/article/pizzagate/

There's certainly no hard proof of this and I'm not in any way saying that there is. But there is a lot of weird stuff going on. It may only be confirmation bias, but some of the things are highly coincidental and/or pretty inexplicable.

The weirdest Podesta email involves Joe Podesta being asked this question: “The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related). Is it yours?” That's just weird. You don't put those words together unless it's code for something.

Another email involves Podesta being invited to a farm and the host says, “Bonnie will be Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in [the] pool for sure.”. That's possibly innocuous, but why include their ages? Again, it's weird enough to raise an eyebrow.

Then there's a whole bunch of weird and creepy photos from jimmycomet's instagram, and there's the strange coincidence on how comet pizza's logo is suspiciously similar to known pedophilia logos. Beyond that, there's a bunch of six-degrees-of-separation coincidences that are just as likely to be confirmation bias as anything else.

Here's a reddit thread on some of the weirder emails: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5b1wbv/who_plays_dominos_on_cheese_or_pasta_internet/

Again, before everyone jumps all over me, I'm not saying I believe this. And I certainly haven't seen anything that PROVES there's a pedophilia ring. All I'm just saying there's some weird stuff going on. If nothing else, Joe Podesta is definitely a creepy guy. Judge for yourself.

The food quotes could be code for something; not sure if it is child pedophilia though. Still not sure if the appropriate response is for someone to bring a gun and fire shots in the air. I'm not an expert on child pornography art so don't have much to say on that topic although it does appear that a couple of pictures were false equated to the pizza place.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

I cant even, right now. I've been gone for a long time, come back, and wonder what happen to some of the sane posters on this board. I guess this is the world we live in now. Crazy and Dumb!