2017 Pick Watch (Sac Swap Rights, LAL pick)

phifans · Post #1581 » by **phifans** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 5:37 am

OMG I officially stop caring Kings... No fun at all ...
Just do it ourselves ...

76ciology · Post #1582 » by **76ciology** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 5:43 am

Slizeezyc · Post #1583 » by **Slizeezyc** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 5:44 am

Dude embrace the KANGZ.

Their weirdness is eternal. Their love of getting 28-33 wins is eternal.

KKell2507 · Post #1584 » by **KKell2507** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 5:46 am

**** the Celtics

freshie2 · Post #1585 » by **freshie2** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 11:49 am

How can the Celtics lose that game?

Worm122 · Post #1586 » by **Worm122** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 12:52 pm

With Jabari Parker injury the Bucks is in for the tank race?

Wilfried · Post #1587 » by **Wilfried** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 1:30 pm

Worm122 wrote:With Jabari Parker injury the Bucks is in for the tank race?

They just got Middleton back (who will make them a lot better) and maybe they can start Monroe at the 5 now and realize he's actually a pretty good player.

Worm122 · Post #1588 » by **Worm122** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 1:48 pm

Wilfried wrote:
Worm122 wrote:With Jabari Parker injury the Bucks is in for the tank race?

They just got Middleton back (who will make them a lot better) and maybe they can start Monroe at the 5 now and realize he's actually a pretty good player.

I know, but Middleton is back but with restricted time

TFK · Post #1589 » by **TFK** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 3:27 pm

F you, Celtics! As if we needed a reason to hate them more.

Anyway, so what's the saying... "if you want something done right..."

PLO · Post #1590 » by **PLO** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 6:01 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
PLO wrote:The issue I have with Tatum is the gap between the floor and the ceiling is too small.

Tatum has a killer first step and a good chance to be excellent defensively in addition to his already Pierce-like midrange game. There's significant upside there, not sure what's not to like. Does he just not look the part to you?

I think the Ringer's Jonathan Tjarks take on him from last month is more than fair on him: "If they’re both taking an elevator, Isaac can get off at the 10th or 11th floor; Tatum isn’t getting much higher than the 8th....How Tatum fares against elite defenders at the college level is important because so much of his game is based on his ability to create shots. There’s no skill that’s harder to translate at the NBA level than scoring one-on-one, because the caliber of defenders is so much higher, especially at his position. The best combo forwards in the NBA have physical tools that are almost unheard of at the college and high school level. Isaac might be the only defender Tatum faces this season who is significantly longer and faster than him; the NBA is full of guys like that.....There’s a ceiling to how much he’s going to develop physically, and it will impact how he matches up with the best players at his position on both ends of the floor. Tatum has been a decent defender at Duke, but he hasn’t faced many offensive players like Carmelo and Jabari, much less LeBron James and Kevin Durant.

One thing that doesn’t bode well for Tatum is the difficulty he has staying in front of smaller and faster players. He does a good job of positioning himself to cut off penetration, but he’s not capable of getting in a stance and blanketing someone 25-plus feet from the basket. Switching screens and defending the top point guards in the NBA will be difficult for him."

Edit: haven't sourced these quotes, but google is your friend, the full article is worth the read. Basically I think Tatum is close to maxed out already. The issues pointed out in the article are only going to be amplified in the NBA; basically he lacks the elite physical tools required to be a starter in the NBA and he doesn't have the nous to make up for it in other ways (so for example he averages more turnovers than assists in college etc).

Eyeamok · Post #1591 » by **Eyeamok** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 6:22 pm

We might want to keep an eye on the Kinicks. They are sinking fast and could be a player in out tanking LA. The second half of the season is going to be fun. I'm not giving up on the Kings. After all they are the Kings. And Miami has to know they are going to be good enough, if they keep this up, to get the 8th seed and then they are done. So don't be surprised to see them trade one of their anti-tankers.

HotelVitale · Post #1592 » by **HotelVitale** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 6:30 pm

PLO wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
PLO wrote:The issue I have with Tatum is the gap between the floor and the ceiling is too small.
Tatum has a killer first step and a good chance to be excellent defensively in addition to his already Pierce-like midrange game. There's significant upside there, not sure what's not to like. Does he just not look the part to you?
I think the Ringer's Jonathan Tjarks take on him from last month is more than fair on him: "If they’re both taking an elevator, Isaac can get off at the 10th or 11th floor; Tatum isn’t getting much higher than the 8th....

I'm aware of the major outlet's takes, just thought you were collapsing 'might not have elite upside' to 'has little upside.' He's obviously not an athlete like DSJ or say Marquese Chriss, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have great potential, and a better likelihood of realizing it than many rawer prospects.

PLO · Post #1593 » by **PLO** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 6:44 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
PLO wrote:
HotelVitale wrote: Tatum has a killer first step and a good chance to be excellent defensively in addition to his already Pierce-like midrange game. There's significant upside there, not sure what's not to like. Does he just not look the part to you?
I think the Ringer's Jonathan Tjarks take on him from last month is more than fair on him: "If they’re both taking an elevator, Isaac can get off at the 10th or 11th floor; Tatum isn’t getting much higher than the 8th....

I'm aware of the major outlet's takes, just thought you were collapsing 'might not have elite upside' to 'has little upside.' He's obviously not an athlete like DSJ or say Marquese Chriss, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have great potential, and a better likelihood of realizing it than many rawer prospects.

I think he will likely have a serviceable NBA career; I don't really want to draft him in the top 7 or 8 though in this particular draft; if we somehow have a top 4 pick and another pick at the bottom end of the top 10 I would much prefer to get a Jackson/Isaac with the first pick then pick up a PG/SG with the other pick (Fox/Monk etc). One of my worst fears are us picking at 5 or 6 and picking Tatum, would much prefer someone like Markinnen over him. If we somehow end up with a pick at 9 or 10 I'm much more on board with getting Tatum.

NBA Moses · Post #1594 » by **NBA Moses** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 10:20 pm

phifans wrote:OMG I officially stop caring Kings... No fun at all ...
Just do it ourselves ...

Sixers are doing a fabulous job of taking care of their own business as far as maximizing their draft lottery position..

The Kings? Just looking at them as a few extra ping pong balls in case they get really really lucky with lottery balls.

I love the pressure the Sixers are putting on the Lakers for that all important #3 slot.

HotelVitale · Post #1595 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:02 am

PLO wrote:I think he will likely have a serviceable NBA career; I don't really want to draft him in the top 7 or 8 though in this particular draft; if we somehow have a top 4 pick and another pick at the bottom end of the top 10 I would much prefer to get a Jackson/Isaac with the first pick then pick up a PG/SG with the other pick (Fox/Monk etc). One of my worst fears are us picking at 5 or 6 and picking Tatum, would much prefer someone like Markinnen over him. If we somehow end up with a pick at 9 or 10 I'm much more on board with getting Tatum.

Guess I can vaguely respect that, and I'm not a huge Tatum guy. Still sounds like overrating the importance of jumping/alley-oop athleticism and underrating basketball-specific athleticism. For example, Tatum's ability to shake and juke will allow him to create separation better than Isaac, which creates a much easier path to being a 20pt scorer. That's all I mean--Tatum has some high level abilities that suggest a lot of upside, even if his straight-up physical profile is average for a NBA prospect.

76ciology · Post #1596 » by **76ciology** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:34 am

Magic might kick the Lakers out of the 3rd spot

Resistance · Post #1597 » by **Resistance** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:47 am

Even if the Lakers pick is pushed back to 2018, it could turn out okay because Magic Johnson wants power.

Find his interview with USA Today.

Winejk · Post #1598 » by **Winejk** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:51 pm

Resistance wrote:Even if the Lakers pick is pushed back to 2018, it could turn out okay because Magic Johnson wants power.

Find his interview with USA Today.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Magic could run the franchise into the ground. But then again, Mitch isn't doing such a great job either. Glad the Lakers have both.

phiphan · Post #1599 » by **phiphan** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:08 pm

Read on Twitter

Magic has great instincts. Magic, if Luke can't get it done this season and the Lakers end up bottom 3, gotta bring Byron back next season!

HotelVitale · Post #1600 » by **HotelVitale** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:11 am

Worm122 wrote:With Jabari Parker injury the Bucks is in for the tank race?

Bucks are just 2 games out of the 8th spot and, for as promising as Parker's been this year, he's probably not the key to them winning games. Still a bad defender and not and a good but not integral part of the offense. So don't see either the motivation to tank or a big enough loss of talent to make them drop a tier or two in the standings.