Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

[Walt_Uoob]

Personally and IMHO I would like to trade Bledsoe before the deadline. We have already committed to a youth movement, let's go ALL IN and build around Booker and whatever guard we draft this year. Trade Bledsoe to Sacremento for their unprotected first and call it a day.

This makes a ton of sense to me. Rather than bring Cousins here, we offer Bledsoe as a way to help them improve their case for him to re-sign. I think we should get a Dragic-like package though, not just one pick.

But they've already traded their 2017 and 2019 firsts so it does get tricky: they could give us the right to swap in 2018 and/or 2020, but if we're giving them Bledsoe our pick is going to be really good again in 2018 at least, so the swap right is of no value. Maybe Bledsoe for their 2021 pick and the right to swap in 2020 and/or 2022? And/or one of their young bigs like Skal?

I'm also wondering, if we take back Rudy Gay in the deal, is that a positive for us or for them? They'd have to include something to make the salaries match, so he's an obvious choice.

Then, as someone else said before, we "let Knight drive the tank" the rest of this season, draft Lonzo Ball, and perhaps even rebuild some of Knight's trade value in the process. SOLD.

[Boxy99]

Booker is paying the Ulis fine! What a ledge

[Mulhollanddrive]

Something is NQR about Watson and McDonough's response to being asked about Alex Len.

Hope it's just a ploy to get him for cheaper.

[GotEm]

Yeah, meanwhile David Griffin and Steve Kerr doing pretty well now.

Which is crazy, how are teams loaded with non-talented players like Kyrie, Love, LeBron, Curry, Thompson, Green, and Durant having any success? I cant believe the Warriors were able to sustain the loss of an all time great coach in Luke Walton and have Kerr step in and not miss a beat.

Seems weird to just sarcastically dismiss Bwgood's post like that.

You do know that Griffin is the man responsible for drafting/signing/trading for players such as Kyrie, Love, Thompson, JR Smith, Shumpert, Dellavdova etc who all played key roles in them winning the title last season?

And the Warriors were a joke of a franchise before Kerr got there. Curry was their only "all star caliber" player while Draymond was a nobody and Klay was seen as a Kyle Korver type player and that's it.

Kerr turned the All Star Curry into Superstar and MVP Curry and turned Mr. Nobody Draymond Green who was a 2nd rd pick into a DPOY candidate and All Star and Klay Thomson into a lockdown defender and All Star as well.

I won't even mention the job he did in developing Harrison Barnes and helping him land a max contract and into a player that's playing excellent for Dallas right now. Also for resurrecting Shaun Livingston's career.

[ATTL]

Read on Twitter

I'm gonna have to pencil us in for an L tonight with that news.

[GotEm]

You guys sure love to dwell on the past.

Suns have lost a bunch of games, they've done zero trades this season and no drama going on like the Knicks so what else is there to talk about?

Plus you can't ever run away from your past.

[Scutt]

Now we can watch Tyson Chandler get all of Lens minutes, oh wait, he does already...

[LukasBMW]

NBA trolling us.

Len wasn't on the bench, he was at center court waiting to check in.

[bwgood77]

That's it. I'm pulling up posts from the day the IT trade happened. We'll see what those people said at the time.

I know I wasn't a fan of his and still am not a fan. He's far better than Knight of course, but not a huge fan of either's game. Perfect 6th man though. I'm not even sure Boston would love him as much if they didn't have Brooklyn's pick.

Because I think if IT is your best player, you're probably not going to go extremely far in the playoffs. I wasn't a big fan of Iverson, for example, either though. But obviously IT is having an insane offensive season with an excellent TS% and is playing better than AI did even in his MVP year, though of course, his defense is abysmal.

[gaspar]

Now we can watch Tyson Chandler get all of Lens minutes, oh wait, he does already...

Len has no one to blame but himself for his low minutes this season. There's hardly ever a game where he doesn't pick up 3 fouls in the first half.

[TOO]

Yeah, meanwhile David Griffin and Steve Kerr doing pretty well now.

Which is crazy, how are teams loaded with non-talented players like Kyrie, Love, LeBron, Curry, Thompson, Green, and Durant having any success? I cant believe the Warriors were able to sustain the loss of an all time great coach in Luke Walton and have Kerr step in and not miss a beat.

Seems weird to just sarcastically dismiss Bwgood's post like that.

You do know that Griffin is the man responsible for drafting/signing/trading for players such as Kyrie, Love, Thompson, JR Smith, Shumpert, Dellavdova etc who all played key roles in them winning the title last season?

And the Warriors were a joke of a franchise before Kerr got there. Curry was their only "all star caliber" player while Draymond was a nobody and Klay was seen as a Kyle Korver type player and that's it.

Kerr turned the All Star Curry into Superstar and MVP Curry and turned Mr. Nobody Draymond Green who was a 2nd rd pick into a DPOY candidate and All Star and Klay Thomson into a lockdown defender and All Star as well.

I won't even mention the job he did in developing Harrison Barnes and helping him land a max contract and into a player that's playing excellent for Dallas right now. Also for resurrecting Shaun Livingston's career.

So then does Griffin get the blame for being completely awful before LeBron returned and pushed them to acquire Love?
Kyrie 1/1 draft pick.
Love acquired for a 1/1 draft pick.
JR Smith, TT, Shump are LeBrons guys, thats why they are there. That team lives and dies with LeBron.

Lets not act like Kerr didnt take over a team that just won 50 games the previous season. The Warriors were on the upswing, Curry put up like 25/8. I dont know any scouting reports that said Thompson was just a Kyle Korver type, none. Green wasnt a starter when Kerr took over, but he worked his way there. Giving Kerr credit for players improving into their primes is totally minimizing the work they put in to get better. That team was a juggernaut when Kerr was out, didnt miss a beat.

[Scutt]

Len started off the season playing like garbage, but when Tyson was out for family issues, he picked up his play considerably. These last few weeks his minutes have fallen because our front office has delusions of the playoffs, and despite Chandler putting up numbers and not helping us win, they still want to go with him. Alex Len is 23 years old, with upside left, and has proven to be a capable starter. I guess Chandler is this teams future center though.

[LukasBMW]

Pre Injury 2017 he was.


An ACL injury can happen to anyone... It takes one bad bump or landing.



Torn meniscus.... Now that cannot be replaced... If the damaged bit is in the inner portion... Brandon Roy like... And we know Bledsoe has had 2 meniscus repair injuries.

Dude, torn meniscus is like a broken nail compared to a torn ACL. Jabari's injury is waaaaaaay more serious than Bledsoe's.

Agreed completely. With meniscus injuries their are two options.....repair or remove. There are PLENTY of players who have gone repair or removal with success....

Westbrook - repair
Blake - portion removed
Wade - portion removed
Lin - repair
Bynum - a plethora of of knee injuries...impacted by knowingly PLAYING with a tear, and also TERRIBLE rehab practices....like BOWLING while rehabbing
CP3 - portion removed
Roy - removed. Roy has had 6 surgeries on his knees.....and all 4 of his menisci have been removed. His knees are the worst of the worst.
Arenas - Repair....too aggressively tries to return and reinjures. Repair....doesnt learn lesson and returns too early. Remove......Career
Rose - ACL tear first....and then meniscus tear. repaired

With Bledsoe, he was super young with his first and second tears. And repairing was the SMART option. As he ages though the chances of him having a tear trimmed instead of repaired increases. And when players like Griffin/Wade/CP3 elect to trim instead of repair, there is very little long term impact.

And along with that. In 2012 Blake had a LEFT meniscus removed.....which is unrelated to his RIGHT knee injury suffered this season.

The fact that this is Parker's 2nd ACL tear makes his injury SIGNIFICANTLY more impactful. Like i said, IF another tear happens with Bledsoe, he can easily have the torn portion removed and be recovered within a couple of weeks or less. You CANNOT remove a torn portion of the ACL.

How do you know all of this? Just curious? What's your background?

[Scutt]

Personally and IMHO I would like to trade Bledsoe before the deadline. We have already committed to a youth movement, let's go ALL IN and build around Booker and whatever guard we draft this year. Trade Bledsoe to Sacremento for their unprotected first and call it a day.

It makes too much sense, that is why the Suns will never do it. They are never going to sell high on Bledsoe, Chandler, or Tucker. Sarver must be convinced those 3 and Booker are somehow the key to that mythical 8th seed.

[Fo-Real]

Dude, torn meniscus is like a broken nail compared to a torn ACL. Jabari's injury is waaaaaaay more serious than Bledsoe's.

Agreed completely. With meniscus injuries their are two options.....repair or remove. There are PLENTY of players who have gone repair or removal with success....

Westbrook - repair
Blake - portion removed
Wade - portion removed
Lin - repair
Bynum - a plethora of of knee injuries...impacted by knowingly PLAYING with a tear, and also TERRIBLE rehab practices....like BOWLING while rehabbing
CP3 - portion removed
Roy - removed. Roy has had 6 surgeries on his knees.....and all 4 of his menisci have been removed. His knees are the worst of the worst.
Arenas - Repair....too aggressively tries to return and reinjures. Repair....doesnt learn lesson and returns too early. Remove......Career
Rose - ACL tear first....and then meniscus tear. repaired

With Bledsoe, he was super young with his first and second tears. And repairing was the SMART option. As he ages though the chances of him having a tear trimmed instead of repaired increases. And when players like Griffin/Wade/CP3 elect to trim instead of repair, there is very little long term impact.

And along with that. In 2012 Blake had a LEFT meniscus removed.....which is unrelated to his RIGHT knee injury suffered this season.

The fact that this is Parker's 2nd ACL tear makes his injury SIGNIFICANTLY more impactful. Like i said, IF another tear happens with Bledsoe, he can easily have the torn portion removed and be recovered within a couple of weeks or less. You CANNOT remove a torn portion of the ACL.

How do you know all of this? Just curious? What's your background?

That's classified!! (CIA)

[Scutt]

That's it. I'm pulling up posts from the day the IT trade happened. We'll see what those people said at the time.

I know I wasn't a fan of his and still am not a fan. He's far better than Knight of course, but not a huge fan of either's game. Perfect 6th man though. I'm not even sure Boston would love him as much if they didn't have Brooklyn's pick.

Because I think if IT is your best player, you're probably not going to go extremely far in the playoffs. I wasn't a big fan of Iverson, for example, either though. But obviously IT is having an insane offensive season with an excellent TS% and is playing better than AI did even in his MVP year, though of course, his defense is abysmal.

Exactly! You take away that Brooklyn Pick and Boston suddenly becomes very mediocre. Thomas can put up all the eye popping stats on offense he wants, but he is not going to be sustainable in leading his team deep into the playoffs, especially if he is the best player on the roster.

Though to be honest, the Suns are doing the same thing with Eric Bledsoe. The problem is he is not good enough to even get us into the playoffs, and our front office is either too dumb, too stubborn, or both, to see it.

[LukasBMW]

Agreed completely. With meniscus injuries their are two options.....repair or remove. There are PLENTY of players who have gone repair or removal with success....

Westbrook - repair
Blake - portion removed
Wade - portion removed
Lin - repair
Bynum - a plethora of of knee injuries...impacted by knowingly PLAYING with a tear, and also TERRIBLE rehab practices....like BOWLING while rehabbing
CP3 - portion removed
Roy - removed. Roy has had 6 surgeries on his knees.....and all 4 of his menisci have been removed. His knees are the worst of the worst.
Arenas - Repair....too aggressively tries to return and reinjures. Repair....doesnt learn lesson and returns too early. Remove......Career
Rose - ACL tear first....and then meniscus tear. repaired

With Bledsoe, he was super young with his first and second tears. And repairing was the SMART option. As he ages though the chances of him having a tear trimmed instead of repaired increases. And when players like Griffin/Wade/CP3 elect to trim instead of repair, there is very little long term impact.

And along with that. In 2012 Blake had a LEFT meniscus removed.....which is unrelated to his RIGHT knee injury suffered this season.

The fact that this is Parker's 2nd ACL tear makes his injury SIGNIFICANTLY more impactful. Like i said, IF another tear happens with Bledsoe, he can easily have the torn portion removed and be recovered within a couple of weeks or less. You CANNOT remove a torn portion of the ACL.

How do you know all of this? Just curious? What's your background?

That's classified!! (CIA)

Na. If he's a doctor, PT, or nurse, I have a question for him. LOL

[Fo-Real]

meant as a joke, I dont know that dude!

[SideSwipe]

McD: Len, how about that cheap extension
Len: Nah...
McD: Say goodbye to your minutes...TC I hope you are up for lots of minutes, Len won't take the extension.
TC: I got this.

[TeamTragic]

Len started off the season playing like garbage, but when Tyson was out for family issues, he picked up his play considerably. These last few weeks his minutes have fallen because our front office has delusions of the playoffs, and despite Chandler putting up numbers and not helping us win, they still want to go with him. Alex Len is 23 years old, with upside left, and has proven to be a capable starter. I guess Chandler is this teams future center though.

Len has been a below average player except for one season when he was having a block party. I wouldn't bench Chandler for Len. I would bench Chandler for a player that is an upgrade in basketball IQ and talent.