Lonzo Ball

[NewEra21]

why do i get the feeling his dad is gonna meddle in his decisions.

I hope not. if you hear the kid in interviews though he has none of his dad's bravado and Lonzo seems like a pretty grounded humble dude. I think as long as he hits the league his pops won't have much to say. There might be a comment here and there about Lonzo not being "used correctly" if he doesn't get tick. But nothing that I think will sway Lonzo one way or the other.

Same was said about Rose and then his brother started to get involved and spoke out. Due to the fact that he seems grounded and humble might make his dad more prone to sticking his nose where he doesn't belong because he wont feel comfortable telling his dad to step back

[Marcus]

why do i get the feeling his dad is gonna meddle in his decisions.

I hope not. if you hear the kid in interviews though he has none of his dad's bravado and Lonzo seems like a pretty grounded humble dude. I think as long as he hits the league his pops won't have much to say. There might be a comment here and there about Lonzo not being "used correctly" if he doesn't get tick. But nothing that I think will sway Lonzo one way or the other.

Same was said about Rose and then his brother started to get involved and spoke out. Due to the fact that he seems grounded and humble might make his dad more prone to sticking his nose where he doesn't belong because he wont feel comfortable telling his dad to step back

fair enough. hopefully it doesn't become an issue.

[PLO]

Part of me feels like his funky release is going to be an issue in the NBA. It's super quick, but I don't know. I could see it getting blocked a lot with longer defenders on him.

There's a reason his threes are from so deep; I so hope the Sixers don't reach on him if we have a pick that high. I recognise his talent at the college level but I think people are getting carried away with how it will translate to the NBA. I'd take Fultz or DSJ over Ball in a heartbeat; hopefully if the Celtics get number one they fall in love with him like their fans have.

[Duke4life831]

why do i get the feeling his dad is gonna meddle in his decisions.

I hope not. if you hear the kid in interviews though he has none of his dad's bravado and Lonzo seems like a pretty grounded humble dude. I think as long as he hits the league his pops won't have much to say. There might be a comment here and there about Lonzo not being "used correctly" if he doesn't get tick. But nothing that I think will sway Lonzo one way or the other.

I agree. I see a lot more of his dad's personality in LaMello, whenever I watch interviews of the family. Lonzo and the middle one (always forget his name) are much quieter and not as expressive.

So I don't think Lonzo will be a problem at all and I don't think his dad is going to be huge in making decisions. But with all that said I definitely can see his dad being an issue. We've seen plenty of times in basketball or other sports where a wife, sibling, some kind of loved one or someone just in their entourage (forgive me if that has become a racial term) become very vocal and it has turned into a distraction for the team. I don't think anyone can rule that out.

[Duke4life831]

Part of me feels like his funky release is going to be an issue in the NBA. It's super quick, but I don't know. I could see it getting blocked a lot with longer defenders on him.

There's a reason his threes are from so deep; I so hope the Sixers don't reach on him if we have a pick that high. I recognise his talent at the college level but I think people are getting carried away with how it will translate to the NBA. I'd take Fultz or DSJ over Ball in a heartbeat; hopefully if the Celtics get number one they fall in love with him like their fans have.

Lonzo is a legit 6'6. That means hes 9 inches taller than Isaiah Thomas. Hes 5-6 inches taller than guys like Ty Lawson, Lowry, CP3, JJ Barca. None of those guys really have struggled to get their shot off in the NBA, all of those guys release points is probably lower by a couple inches than Ball's release point. Kevin Martin the same height as Ball and has the same if not lower release point was one of the better 3pt shooters in the league in his prime. And its not like Ball's shot is super slow either.

I still think its just a funky release that people aren't used to see so it throws a lot of people off. Lonzo shoots from really deep because hes always been able to shoot from really deep. Its not out of necessity, its the same for Curry, Curry bombs really deep threes not because thats the only shot he can get, he does it because the distance doesn't affect his shot and if no one is going to cover him out there hes going to take an open 3.

[SirChurros]

I realize it's petty, but I don't like Lonzo already because how much attention his family is getting as some sort of basketball dynasty.

Like that supposedly "wowing" 92 point performance by LaMelo, which I thought was absolutely pathetic.

[Duke4life831]

I realize it's petty, but I don't like Lonzo already because how much attention his family is getting as some sort of basketball dynasty.

Like that supposedly "wowing" 92 point performance by LaMelo, which I thought was absolutely pathetic.

I totally get that. According to Scout (which I think still has the best high school rankings) Lamelo and Liangelo are both unranked 3 star recruits. This isn't some powerhouse basketball family. The dad basically turned Lonzo's recruitment into a recruitment for all 3 of the brothers. Whoever was going to sign Lonzo basically knew they were going to sign the other 2 (Lamelo committed to UCLA before ever playing a high school game). Then you have the dad telling everyone that all 3 of his sons are going to be OADs even though again 2 are unranked 3 star recruits. I think a lot of the hype is so forced.

[Marcus]

Part of me feels like his funky release is going to be an issue in the NBA. It's super quick, but I don't know. I could see it getting blocked a lot with longer defenders on him.

There's a reason his threes are from so deep; I so hope the Sixers don't reach on him if we have a pick that high. I recognise his talent at the college level but I think people are getting carried away with how it will translate to the NBA. I'd take Fultz or DSJ over Ball in a heartbeat; hopefully if the Celtics get number one they fall in love with him like their fans have.

Lonzo is a legit 6'6. That means hes 9 inches taller than Isaiah Thomas. Hes 5-6 inches taller than guys like Ty Lawson, Lowry, CP3, JJ Barca. None of those guys really have struggled to get their shot off in the NBA, all of those guys release points is probably lower by a couple inches than Ball's release point. Kevin Martin the same height as Ball and has the same if not lower release point was one of the better 3pt shooters in the league in his prime. And its not like Ball's shot is super slow either.

I still think its just a funky release that people aren't used to see so it throws a lot of people off. Lonzo shoots from really deep because hes always been able to shoot from really deep. Its not out of necessity, its the same for Curry, Curry bombs really deep threes not because thats the only shot he can get, he does it because the distance doesn't affect his shot and if no one is going to cover him out there hes going to take an open 3.

yeah I think this release thing is getting blown well out of proportion at this point. I really don't know what else that kid has to do to show he can get the shot off.

[Vesper]

There's a reason his threes are from so deep; I so hope the Sixers don't reach on him if we have a pick that high. I recognise his talent at the college level but I think people are getting carried away with how it will translate to the NBA. I'd take Fultz or DSJ over Ball in a heartbeat; hopefully if the Celtics get number one they fall in love with him like their fans have.

Lonzo is a legit 6'6. That means hes 9 inches taller than Isaiah Thomas. Hes 5-6 inches taller than guys like Ty Lawson, Lowry, CP3, JJ Barca. None of those guys really have struggled to get their shot off in the NBA, all of those guys release points is probably lower by a couple inches than Ball's release point. Kevin Martin the same height as Ball and has the same if not lower release point was one of the better 3pt shooters in the league in his prime. And its not like Ball's shot is super slow either.

I still think its just a funky release that people aren't used to see so it throws a lot of people off. Lonzo shoots from really deep because hes always been able to shoot from really deep. Its not out of necessity, its the same for Curry, Curry bombs really deep threes not because thats the only shot he can get, he does it because the distance doesn't affect his shot and if no one is going to cover him out there hes going to take an open 3.

yeah I think this release thing is getting blown well out of proportion at this point. I really don't know what else that kid has to do to show he can get the shot off.

Essentially, its going to be a wait and see thing...

[Marcus]

Lonzo is a legit 6'6. That means hes 9 inches taller than Isaiah Thomas. Hes 5-6 inches taller than guys like Ty Lawson, Lowry, CP3, JJ Barca. None of those guys really have struggled to get their shot off in the NBA, all of those guys release points is probably lower by a couple inches than Ball's release point. Kevin Martin the same height as Ball and has the same if not lower release point was one of the better 3pt shooters in the league in his prime. And its not like Ball's shot is super slow either.

I still think its just a funky release that people aren't used to see so it throws a lot of people off. Lonzo shoots from really deep because hes always been able to shoot from really deep. Its not out of necessity, its the same for Curry, Curry bombs really deep threes not because thats the only shot he can get, he does it because the distance doesn't affect his shot and if no one is going to cover him out there hes going to take an open 3.

yeah I think this release thing is getting blown well out of proportion at this point. I really don't know what else that kid has to do to show he can get the shot off.

Essentially, its going to be a wait and see thing...

yes. yes it will.

[Duke4life831]

Lonzo is a legit 6'6. That means hes 9 inches taller than Isaiah Thomas. Hes 5-6 inches taller than guys like Ty Lawson, Lowry, CP3, JJ Barca. None of those guys really have struggled to get their shot off in the NBA, all of those guys release points is probably lower by a couple inches than Ball's release point. Kevin Martin the same height as Ball and has the same if not lower release point was one of the better 3pt shooters in the league in his prime. And its not like Ball's shot is super slow either.

I still think its just a funky release that people aren't used to see so it throws a lot of people off. Lonzo shoots from really deep because hes always been able to shoot from really deep. Its not out of necessity, its the same for Curry, Curry bombs really deep threes not because thats the only shot he can get, he does it because the distance doesn't affect his shot and if no one is going to cover him out there hes going to take an open 3.

yeah I think this release thing is getting blown well out of proportion at this point. I really don't know what else that kid has to do to show he can get the shot off.

Essentially, its going to be a wait and see thing...

Im just curious why do you have that mindset on him? Release point is not lower than most NBA PGs and he doesn't have a slow release either. Hes always been a good shooter and its not like hes a streaky shooter either. Its not like he has a lot of bad shooting games but some ridiculously good shooting days and that evens out his average, 16 of his 25 games he has shot at least 40% from 3 and only 6 games below 30%. He is shooting 43% on the season and 42.7% in conference play. Im just struggling to see why there is hesitation on his jumper, hes always been a good shooter, showing hes a good shooter this year no matter the competition.

Im just curious whats the reason thats making you hesitate on his shot. Is it purely due to the cosmetics of his shot?

[SirChurros]

I have no reason to think his shot could be a problem other than the cosmetics.

That said, I think there are some other arguments to be made that say he's not the surefire thing that some might think. He's not really a great defender, he seems to not have any interesting in driving hard off screens, is not a particularly good free throw shooter and in the few games I've watched UCLA play I've never seen the kid take a mid-range jumper.

[Vesper]

It's definitely cosmetics.

However, it's also the fact that he steps back and creates his shot. Right now, Lonzo has elite height at the point position.
In the NBA, will he have that advantage and will the coach give him the green light to takes those shots????

Outside of Curry, who takes 3s like that?

The fact his FTs are garbage also attribute to his shooting potential.

[Dr Positivity]

For all the people worried about his shot, I think Jay Bilas summed it up perfectly, his shot is the equivalent to Jim Furyk's golf shot. Everything about it doesnt look right up until the moment of impact and that is all that matters. Same goes for Ball's jumper, everything about just doesnt look right up until his release, gets his hand under it and gets a good rotation on it.

I can buy into it but my problem is he's 67% from the FT line. So even if he had a normal shot I would be skeptical that he's lights out. I said the same thing about Ingram last year and it looks like a decent call so far

[gmoney2303]

I realize it's petty, but I don't like Lonzo already because how much attention his family is getting as some sort of basketball dynasty.

Like that supposedly "wowing" 92 point performance by LaMelo, which I thought was absolutely pathetic.

I totally get that. According to Scout (which I think still has the best high school rankings) Lamelo and Liangelo are both unranked 3 star recruits. This isn't some powerhouse basketball family. The dad basically turned Lonzo's recruitment into a recruitment for all 3 of the brothers. Whoever was going to sign Lonzo basically knew they were going to sign the other 2 (Lamelo committed to UCLA before ever playing a high school game). Then you have the dad telling everyone that all 3 of his sons are going to be OADs even though again 2 are unranked 3 star recruits. I think a lot of the hype is so forced.

Scout just hasn't updated their rankings. Lamelo is a 5 star on ESPN and 247. The kid is legit really good and is going to be really good for years to come. People who literally just watched his 92 point game all of a sudden hate lamelo. But in reality he is 15 is a good shooter gets to the rim a ton more than Lonzo ever did is a good passer and is a good dude from all accounts. Lamelo is not just riding on Lonzo's coat tails. He is a legit 5 star pg and said by many to be the best pg on the west coast in his class. So I disagree with your assesment on him.

On the subject of gelo ya he isn't that good and nobody really hypes him up other than his dad so I think gelo is fairly ranked as a 3 star.

[E-Balla]

I realize it's petty, but I don't like Lonzo already because how much attention his family is getting as some sort of basketball dynasty.

Like that supposedly "wowing" 92 point performance by LaMelo, which I thought was absolutely pathetic.

He did it to raise awareness for a girl at his school with a rare heart disease. Raised 50k of the 100k needed for the surgery.

[jrob23]

For all the people worried about his shot, I think Jay Bilas summed it up perfectly, his shot is the equivalent to Jim Furyk's golf shot. Everything about it doesnt look right up until the moment of impact and that is all that matters. Same goes for Ball's jumper, everything about just doesnt look right up until his release, gets his hand under it and gets a good rotation on it.

I can buy into it but my problem is he's 67% from the FT line. So even if he had a normal shot I would be skeptical that he's lights out. I said the same thing about Ingram last year and it looks like a decent call so far

his FT% isn't alarming because driving isn't a huge part of his game so he won't get to the line much. It matters not. This isn't Josh Jackson who might live on the line in the NBA. Ball might have games where he never even goes to the line. Besides, it isn't like these 19 y/o can't improve at their deficiencies.

[Marcus]

Still think the FT% is an anomaly. Never had an issue before I expect this to be corrected.

[Dr Positivity]

For all the people worried about his shot, I think Jay Bilas summed it up perfectly, his shot is the equivalent to Jim Furyk's golf shot. Everything about it doesnt look right up until the moment of impact and that is all that matters. Same goes for Ball's jumper, everything about just doesnt look right up until his release, gets his hand under it and gets a good rotation on it.

I can buy into it but my problem is he's 67% from the FT line. So even if he had a normal shot I would be skeptical that he's lights out. I said the same thing about Ingram last year and it looks like a decent call so far

his FT% isn't alarming because driving isn't a huge part of his game so he won't get to the line much. It matters not. This isn't Josh Jackson who might live on the line in the NBA. Ball might have games where he never even goes to the line. Besides, it isn't like these 19 y/o can't improve at their deficiencies.

I meant more that FT% is a predictor of shooting mechanics. Since college 3pt is a small sample the difference between Lonzo's season from 3pt and a more mediocre one can be luck so FT helps give more data

[jrob23]

I realize it's petty, but I don't like Lonzo already because how much attention his family is getting as some sort of basketball dynasty.

Like that supposedly "wowing" 92 point performance by LaMelo, which I thought was absolutely pathetic.

I totally get that. According to Scout (which I think still has the best high school rankings) Lamelo and Liangelo are both unranked 3 star recruits. This isn't some powerhouse basketball family. The dad basically turned Lonzo's recruitment into a recruitment for all 3 of the brothers. Whoever was going to sign Lonzo basically knew they were going to sign the other 2 (Lamelo committed to UCLA before ever playing a high school game). Then you have the dad telling everyone that all 3 of his sons are going to be OADs even though again 2 are unranked 3 star recruits. I think a lot of the hype is so forced.

Scout just hasn't updated their rankings. Lamelo is a 5 star on ESPN and 247. The kid is legit really good and is going to be really good for years to come. People who literally just watched his 92 point game all of a sudden hate lamelo. But in reality he is 15 is a good shooter gets to the rim a ton more than Lonzo ever did is a good passer and is a good dude from all accounts. Lamelo is not just riding on Lonzo's coat tails. He is a legit 5 star pg and said by many to be the best pg on the west coast in his class. So I disagree with your assesment on him.

On the subject of gelo ya he isn't that good and nobody really hypes him up other than his dad so I think gelo is fairly ranked as a 3 star.

lol 3 star recruit. LaMelo? That's funny. Who would even regurgitate that horrible opinion as fact..oh wait. Nvm. Lamelo isn't done growing. He'll likely end up at or near Lonzo's size and looks to be a similar talent. UCLA is in good hands. He's ahead of Lonzo at this point and I have zero doubts he'll be as good. He and Lonzo just have "it".

LiAngelo on the other hand had better either shoot up a couple of inches and/or lose 30 lbs if he wants to play at the next level as a SG or SF. It's not impossible that over the next couple of years he does get taller and thins out but it's a long shot. He can shoot the lights out but he's not nearly an adequate athlete at the college level let alone pro. He isn't blessed genetically like his brothers and he should be putting in the extra work but it appears that the only work he puts in is eating and shooting threes. Maybe he realizes he's just not on his brother's level. UCLA at least gets to have him more than a year though so maybe he gets his head on right and surprises everyone down the road.