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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#181 » by jrob23 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:24 pm

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Kennard has a length and athleticism advantage in college?

Can you explain how Fultz as an average athlete produces 1.3 blocks/per game (3.3 blk) , 1.6 steals/ per game?


As a 6'6" SG...yeah Kennard has a height/length advantage? Let me guess...you disagree?

a) he's not an average athlete in college. Try actually reading my posts. b) I've clearly showed he's a very good help defender which is where he gets his blocks from. Again, read the posts.


Luke is 6'5 with a 6'5 wingspan, ya I dont think that is all that much of a height and length advantage. Then add in his average athleticism for a guard I dont see how Luke is an elite college player because of a length and athleticism advantage.


Those 6'5" or 6'5.5" measurements are from 2015. He's listed as 6'6" and is def taller than Allen who is listed at 6''5" on many sites. A very skilled 6'5" 6.6" SG DOES have a size advantage in college lol. Arguing about this fact is par for the course on this site though lol.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#182 » by Marcus » Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:26 pm

Back on topic with DSJ fellas. Does he drop on your boards with his Rondo impression today?
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#183 » by reanimator » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:50 pm

I had DSJ third and was going back and forth between him and JJ but ultimately I'm going to slot Josh 3rd due to his motor and size.
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Post#184 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:08 am

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Gott is such a horrible coach, he and Romar are on their own level of bad. It was such a mistake for DSJ to go to State. Heard some rumors that UNC and Duke backed off due to grades so maybe thats why. But damn its a shame that he has to play for that team.


If he was a blue devil....


He would be sitting on the bench with the rest of the freshmen.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#185 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:09 am

Marcus wrote:Back on topic with DSJ fellas. Does he drop on your boards with his Rondo impression today?


Really hard to judge him with that team and coach. But Ya it definitely doesn't help him.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#186 » by GimmeDat » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:01 am

I think DSJ is in a tough situation. Maybe he does fall as a result, but that'll only be to the benefit of whoever he falls to. I still have him 3rd, I can appreciate an argument for Jackson over him, but can't see him slipping any more. He's too good.
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Post#187 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:42 pm

GimmeDat wrote:I think DSJ is in a tough situation. Maybe he does fall as a result, but that'll only be to the benefit of whoever he falls to. I still have him 3rd, I can appreciate an argument for Jackson over him, but can't see him slipping any more. He's too good.


Agreed, Gott is as bad as you get when it comes to power conference coaches. State seems to have 2-3 transfers a year and players don't speak to highly of that situation. Its a very very toxic situation so I have a hard time judging anyone too harshly because of it.

Im a huge DSJ fan but even Ill say, this might be kind of showing how he will handle being on a losing team for a long time. Look at Boggie and AD, both play on teams that have done absolutely nothing to help them on the court and they just lose over and over and over again. But you don't hear any controversy around AD while Boogie is the poster boy of great talent terrible attitude. What we are seeing from DSJ so far would make you have to say if you're a betting man and he gets put into a similar situation, I think its a safe bet to say there is a better chance he acts closer to Boogie than AD. Thats not a good thing at all.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#188 » by E-Balla » Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:54 pm

Marcus wrote:Back on topic with DSJ fellas. Does he drop on your boards with his Rondo impression today?

Can't say he does unless he gives up on them the rest of the season. I can get being frustrated for one game. What I don't like is playing with zero effort. His coach and team is terrible so it's hard to blame him. Same reason why I wasn't really down on Fultz and his effort until he didn't show up against Ball.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#189 » by bigboi » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:47 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Easily the closest player to Westbrook since Westbrook - and Westbrook wasn't as good at the same stage. The power and explosiveness on his dunks are amazing for a guy 6'2ish. He's a little freakazoid. <trademark>


He doesn't play like Russell at all. He's a freak athletically, but he plays at a wayyyyyyyy slower pace than any of the previous freak PGs who tend to go 100 mph every second


it's because of zone defense in college. At the pro level he'll have more opportunities once/if he breaks down his man, to have freakish dunks. He's going to be a better pro than college player unlike Fultz who is the opposite.


I don't take your opinion seriously #1 because you were just calling Smith a chucker a few weeks ago and have something against Fultz and 2, Smith has always played at a slower pace in the half court
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Lebron made it to the finals with that cleveland team.

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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#190 » by jrob23 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:14 am

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He doesn't play like Russell at all. He's a freak athletically, but he plays at a wayyyyyyyy slower pace than any of the previous freak PGs who tend to go 100 mph every second


it's because of zone defense in college. At the pro level he'll have more opportunities once/if he breaks down his man, to have freakish dunks. He's going to be a better pro than college player unlike Fultz who is the opposite.


I don't take your opinion seriously #1 because you were just calling Smith a chucker a few weeks ago and have something against Fultz and 2, Smith has always played at a slower pace in the half court


I give zero Fs what or who you take seriously...zero!

DSJ IS a chucker. Oh no! I'm not a Futz fanboy...hurry don't listen to anything I have to say about any prospects. Gasp!! Great post bro /s
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#191 » by Mulhollanddrive » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:57 am

What did Dennis Smith do exactly?
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#192 » by Kolkmania » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:55 am

This is an example where information about Smith's character will decide my verdict on him. I absolutely love his style on the offensive end, it's a perfect fit in the NBA and I had Dennis Smith jr. as my #2 at the start of the season. However, he's been such a poor teamplayer on the defensive end this season. Doesn't communicate, refuses to rotate, shows no willingness to fight through screens etc.
Is it because of a toxic environment at NC State or does he lacks heart? I think he has more talent than Josh Jackson and Lonzo Ball, but they are catalysts for their teams and probably will be for their team in the NBA. Does Smith has the upside, work ethic and character to draft him before Isaac, Ball and Jackson?
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#193 » by bigboi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:21 pm

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it's because of zone defense in college. At the pro level he'll have more opportunities once/if he breaks down his man, to have freakish dunks. He's going to be a better pro than college player unlike Fultz who is the opposite.


I don't take your opinion seriously #1 because you were just calling Smith a chucker a few weeks ago and have something against Fultz and 2, Smith has always played at a slower pace in the half court


I give zero Fs what or who you take seriously...zero!

DSJ IS a chucker. Oh no! I'm not a Futz fanboy...hurry don't listen to anything I have to say about any prospects. Gasp!! Great post bro /s


Cool man, you can stop quoting me since you give zero Fs. Thanks
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#194 » by Marcus » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:21 pm

Kolkmania wrote:This is an example where information about Smith's character will decide my verdict on him. I absolutely love his style on the offensive end, it's a perfect fit in the NBA and I had Dennis Smith jr. as my #2 at the start of the season. However, he's been such a poor teamplayer on the defensive end this season. Doesn't communicate, refuses to rotate, shows no willingness to fight through screens etc.
Is it because of a toxic environment at NC State or does he lacks heart? I think he has more talent than Josh Jackson and Lonzo Ball, but they are catalysts for their teams and probably will be for their team in the NBA. Does Smith has the upside, work ethic and character to draft him before Isaac, Ball and Jackson?


Definitely comes off as somebody that may need a pat on the back here and there. Or who could get down on himself and the team if the performance isn't up to par. I think with the right kind of leadership and veteran example he could be a leader himself. Duke made the Boogie comp earlier where a bad team with a bad environment could make a talented kid like him seem like a toxin. I think there might be something to that.

I do think the upside is worth it and I do think the work ethic is there. Physically he gives you what you need at the position. Emotionally is the question right now. I'd still take the shot on him knowing all this if he's a better fit for what I'm doing.
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Post#195 » by 916fan » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:40 pm

Marcus wrote:Definitely comes off as somebody that may need a pat on the back here and there. Or who could get down on himself and the team if the performance isn't up to par. I think with the right kind of leadership and veteran example he could be a leader himself. Duke made the Boogie comp earlier where a bad team with a bad environment could make a talented kid like him seem like a toxin. I think there might be something to that.

I do think the upside is worth it and I do think the work ethic is there. Physically he gives you what you need at the position. Emotionally is the question right now. I'd still take the shot on him knowing all this if he's a better fit for what I'm doing.

Kolkmania wrote:This is an example where information about Smith's character will decide my verdict on him. I absolutely love his style on the offensive end, it's a perfect fit in the NBA and I had Dennis Smith jr. as my #2 at the start of the season. However, he's been such a poor teamplayer on the defensive end this season. Doesn't communicate, refuses to rotate, shows no willingness to fight through screens etc.
Is it because of a toxic environment at NC State or does he lacks heart? I think he has more talent than Josh Jackson and Lonzo Ball, but they are catalysts for their teams and probably will be for their team in the NBA. Does Smith has the upside, work ethic and character to draft him before Isaac, Ball and Jackson?

I don't think this is a Cousins-type situation at all. Cousins is just way too much of an emotional player. He was like this even playing under Cal. DSJ is different. He has this lack-luster attitude of "IDC". It's the same attitude we saw from Ben Simmons.

I think it's the toxic environment, but also his own inability to commit himself 100%. There's times where he'll just float around for the longest time, then out of nowhere gets aggressive and throws down a vicious dunk. You kinda wish you would see this consistent energy throughout the game, but we don't.

It's funny how people try to make the Fultz=Simmons comparison, when it's just not there. Fultz is a guy who's naturally more quiet and reserved. His demeanor is like younger Harden's. I don't think we've seen more than 2-3 games where Fultz brings questionable effort. However, we see it way too often with DSJ. I think that's the troubling thing. DSJ has a demeanor of Westbrook, he's a natural leader.. but he doesn't show it much.

For the NBA, I think it could be resolved if there's a vet PG to keep him up and make sure he's doing ok. I think DSJ is arguably the best PG in this draft. Fultz is still my #1, but DSJ isn't far off.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#196 » by Tanks1 » Tue Mar 7, 2017 11:26 pm

Smith was terrible today................His team is probably out of the tournament......maybe they will play in the N.I.T.
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Post#197 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Mar 8, 2017 12:11 am

Tanks1 wrote:Smith was terrible today................His team is probably out of the tournament......maybe they will play in the N.I.T.


Wouldnt be shocked if today was the last game he plays for State. Even if they get invited to the NITs I wouldnt be shocked if they declined it. The entire team has been on cruise control all year and especially showed 0 interest once Gott got fired but they let him stick around.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#198 » by Upperclass » Wed Mar 8, 2017 1:03 am

DSJ has always had this type of demeanor. He strikes he as someone who likes to compete, but only if the playing field is even, or stacked in his favor. I don't think he will take a crappy team to the next level.. but he could easily be the missing piece that makes an average team , pretty good.

He also doesnt strike me as Westbrook-like in that way. .because i think he lacks heart tbh. He moreso reminds me Reggie Jackson, where he'll just pout and punt and if things arent going his way. I usually dont factor attitude.. but in a point guard. .this is a huge red flag.
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Post#199 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Mar 8, 2017 1:12 am

Upperclass wrote:DSJ has always had this type of demeanor. He strikes he as someone who likes to compete, but only if the playing field is even, or stacked in his favor. I don't think he will take a crappy team to the next level.. but he could easily be the missing piece that makes an average team , pretty good.

He also doesnt strike me as Westbrook-like in that way. .because i think he lacks heart tbh. He moreso reminds me Reggie Jackson, where he'll just pout and punt and if things arent going his way. I usually dont factor attitude.. but in a point guard. .this is a huge red flag.


I do want to make sure that everyone understands how bad the situation is at State. Theyre basically Philly/Sac combined for the ACC. This is a team that seems to get multiple transfers every year and again they fired their coach half way through the season but still have him coaching the team haha.

With all that said I do agree with a lot of what youre saying. I think he has shown if he is stuck on a really crappy team expect a Boogie type attitude and not an AD type attitude. If im a crappy run organization like Sac I wouldnt touch him. But if youre a well run organization or even like the Pelicans where they have two studs already in place I would take him very quickly. I think he can be a guy that takes a good team to the next level but he aint taking a really crappy team like Sac or Brooklyn to the next level and I dont think he will take losing for multiple years very well.
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Re: Dennis Smith Jr 

Post#200 » by DirtyDez » Wed Mar 8, 2017 1:18 am

Any guesses what his vert will be?
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