Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[pcbothwel]

if Barton had one more year on his current deal, I wouldn't hesitate to trade our 1st for him.

Nicholson, 2017 1st, 2019 1st for Barton and Hernangomez.

[gambitx777]

if Barton had one more year on his current deal, I wouldn't hesitate to trade our 1st for him.

Nicholson, 2017 1st, 2019 1st for Barton and Hernangomez.

Those two are not worth two firsts.
I would so a 2017 second and 2018 second and 2018 unprotected first with nicholson and burke for Barton, Hernangomez and nurkic. that would be worth it. If we unload mahinmi in some deal like say for a jeff green or something of the like.

that would make sense.
Wall/Sato-FA guard
Beal/Barton/McCellen
Otto/Kelley/Green
Morris/hernangomez/green-smith-ochifu
Gortat/Nurkic/smith-ochifu

You would cut Thornton to make room and cut house to sign an emergency 3ed point guard like Jack or cole or something like that.

[WarriorsLakers]

Horrible...we lose the pick and most importantly oubre who would probably become the best player on the magic

now if we do straight up Lou/ 1 or 2 2nd's for Oubre, we can

What the hell? Is that really what lakers fans think the trade value is for Lou Williams? Do you have any realistic deal ideas?

oubre is much more worth then that? lol . Lou is 2nd leading bench player with #1 bench leading scorer in the 4th qtr

[pcbothwel]

if Barton had one more year on his current deal, I wouldn't hesitate to trade our 1st for him.

Nicholson, 2017 1st, 2019 1st for Barton and Hernangomez.

Those two are not worth two firsts.
I would so a 2017 second and 2018 second and 2018 unprotected first with nicholson and burke for Barton, Hernangomez and nurkic. that would be worth it. If we unload mahinmi in some deal like say for a jeff green or something of the like.

that would make sense.
Wall/Sato-FA guard
Beal/Barton/McCellen
Otto/Kelley/Green
Morris/hernangomez/green-smith-ochifu
Gortat/Nurkic/smith-ochifu

You would cut Thornton to make room and cut house to sign an emergency 3ed point guard like Jack or cole or something like that.

Dude... you're crazy if you think we get that sort of haul. Hernangomez was historically great in the ACB for his age. I.E. Better than Rubio, Splitter, Ibaka, Porzingis, and Ilyasova. I highly doubt a player of his caliber falls to us in the low to mid 20's in June. So he is worth our pick.

Barton is the perfect 7th man and backup 2/3 for this team. He could be crucial to our Title run for the next two years and is paid 3.5M each year... peanuts. He is worth a 2019 1st, especially because we get to dump Nicholson as well.

Wall / Sato
Beal / Barton / Mclellan
Otto / Oubre / Barton
Morris / Juan / Oubre
Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith

That team is going to the ECF each of the next 2-3 years, while still allowing us to move forward after.

[montestewart]

now if we do straight up Lou/ 1 or 2 2nd's for Oubre, we can

What the hell? Is that really what lakers fans think the trade value is for Lou Williams? Do you have any realistic deal ideas?

oubre is much more worth then that? lol . Lou is 2nd leading bench player with #1 bench leading scorer in the 4th qtr

Resistance is greatly tied to Oubre's potential to grow into a really good two way player who could be a Wizard for a long time. I like Williams, he's been a bargain contract virtually his entire career, I've never heard anything damning about him, he'd be a really good 3rd guard for the Wizards, and those 2nd rounders could be really high 2nd rounders. On the other hand, Williams is 30, and that's around the age whether you start worrying that a player could fall off a cliff sometime soon. Adding Williams probably wouldn't put the Wizards over the top, so why sacrifice future potential for a potentially short term fix that's not enough. Williams certainly has value, and with his contract, it wouldn't be hard to come up with a deal.

[NatP4]

Nicholson, 2017 1st, 2019 1st for Barton and Hernangomez.

Those two are not worth two firsts.
I would so a 2017 second and 2018 second and 2018 unprotected first with nicholson and burke for Barton, Hernangomez and nurkic. that would be worth it. If we unload mahinmi in some deal like say for a jeff green or something of the like.

that would make sense.
Wall/Sato-FA guard
Beal/Barton/McCellen
Otto/Kelley/Green
Morris/hernangomez/green-smith-ochifu
Gortat/Nurkic/smith-ochifu

You would cut Thornton to make room and cut house to sign an emergency 3ed point guard like Jack or cole or something like that.

Dude... you're crazy if you think we get that sort of haul. Hernangomez was historically great in the ACB for his age. I.E. Better than Rubio, Splitter, Ibaka, Porzingis, and Ilyasova. I highly doubt a player of his caliber falls to us in the low to mid 20's in June. So he is worth our pick.

Barton is the perfect 7th man and backup 2/3 for this team. He could be crucial to our Title run for the next two years and is paid 3.5M each year... peanuts. He is worth a 2019 1st, especially because we get to dump Nicholson as well.

Wall / Sato
Beal / Barton / Mclellan
Otto / Oubre / Barton
Morris / Juan / Oubre
Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith

That team is going to the ECF each of the next 2-3 years, while still allowing us to move forward after.

Your rotation is picture perfect except, forget the hernangomez and multiple pick part. It's a nice idea, not sure if it's realistic. Just put Otto in that backup 4 spot, Barton takes over the leftover 3 minutes behind Oubre.

Burke and our 2018 1st for Will Barton.

[NatP4]

Also we would have the Room exception to offer buyout players. Would need to find a 3rd string PG. Deron Williams, Jameer Nelson maybe?

[gambitx777]

Nicholson, 2017 1st, 2019 1st for Barton and Hernangomez.

Those two are not worth two firsts.
I would so a 2017 second and 2018 second and 2018 unprotected first with nicholson and burke for Barton, Hernangomez and nurkic. that would be worth it. If we unload mahinmi in some deal like say for a jeff green or something of the like.

that would make sense.
Wall/Sato-FA guard
Beal/Barton/McCellen
Otto/Kelley/Green
Morris/hernangomez/green-smith-ochifu
Gortat/Nurkic/smith-ochifu

You would cut Thornton to make room and cut house to sign an emergency 3ed point guard like Jack or cole or something like that.

Dude... you're crazy if you think we get that sort of haul. Hernangomez was historically great in the ACB for his age. I.E. Better than Rubio, Splitter, Ibaka, Porzingis, and Ilyasova. I highly doubt a player of his caliber falls to us in the low to mid 20's in June. So he is worth our pick.

Barton is the perfect 7th man and backup 2/3 for this team. He could be crucial to our Title run for the next two years and is paid 3.5M each year... peanuts. He is worth a 2019 1st, especially because we get to dump Nicholson as well.

Wall / Sato
Beal / Barton / Mclellan
Otto / Oubre / Barton
Morris / Juan / Oubre
Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith

That team is going to the ECF each of the next 2-3 years, while still allowing us to move forward after.

I'm not disagreeing on how good they are. I'm just saying that Barton's, while good and cheap is not worth a 2017 pick u protected, korver went for 2019 heavily protected. Herngomez is a good young player so is nurkic, nurk is a bench center and Gomez is going to get there some day but not yet. 2 seconds is probably fair. Nicholson is filler and its an even money trade this year and next. It's not a low ball but probably fair. For two seconds and an unprotected first.

[pcbothwel]

Those two are not worth two firsts.
I would so a 2017 second and 2018 second and 2018 unprotected first with nicholson and burke for Barton, Hernangomez and nurkic. that would be worth it. If we unload mahinmi in some deal like say for a jeff green or something of the like.

that would make sense.
Wall/Sato-FA guard
Beal/Barton/McCellen
Otto/Kelley/Green
Morris/hernangomez/green-smith-ochifu
Gortat/Nurkic/smith-ochifu

You would cut Thornton to make room and cut house to sign an emergency 3ed point guard like Jack or cole or something like that.

Dude... you're crazy if you think we get that sort of haul. Hernangomez was historically great in the ACB for his age. I.E. Better than Rubio, Splitter, Ibaka, Porzingis, and Ilyasova. I highly doubt a player of his caliber falls to us in the low to mid 20's in June. So he is worth our pick.

Barton is the perfect 7th man and backup 2/3 for this team. He could be crucial to our Title run for the next two years and is paid 3.5M each year... peanuts. He is worth a 2019 1st, especially because we get to dump Nicholson as well.

Wall / Sato
Beal / Barton / Mclellan
Otto / Oubre / Barton
Morris / Juan / Oubre
Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith

That team is going to the ECF each of the next 2-3 years, while still allowing us to move forward after.

I'm not disagreeing on how good they are. I'm just saying that Barton's, while good and cheap is not worth a 2017 pick u protected, korver went for 2019 heavily protected. Herngomez is a good young player so is nurkic, nurk is a bench center and Gomez is going to get there some day but not yet. 2 seconds is probably fair. Nicholson is filler and its an even money trade this year and next. It's not a low ball but probably fair. For two seconds and an unprotected first.

You are missing my valuation. I never said that Barton is worth a 2017 1st, I said he is worth a 2019 1st and dumping Nicholson.

Also, Hernangomez is more valuable than Nurkic. Hernangomez has actually shown to be a good player while Nurkic is all hype so far. On top of that. Nurkic has 1 year left on his contract whereas Hernangomez has 3 more after this one. Again, I dont see Leaf, Hartenstein, or Rabb as much better prospects and they probably wont be available.

[skywalker33]

Those two are not worth two firsts.
I would so a 2017 second and 2018 second and 2018 unprotected first with nicholson and burke for Barton, Hernangomez and nurkic. that would be worth it. If we unload mahinmi in some deal like say for a jeff green or something of the like.

that would make sense.
Wall/Sato-FA guard
Beal/Barton/McCellen
Otto/Kelley/Green
Morris/hernangomez/green-smith-ochifu
Gortat/Nurkic/smith-ochifu

You would cut Thornton to make room and cut house to sign an emergency 3ed point guard like Jack or cole or something like that.

Dude... you're crazy if you think we get that sort of haul. Hernangomez was historically great in the ACB for his age. I.E. Better than Rubio, Splitter, Ibaka, Porzingis, and Ilyasova. I highly doubt a player of his caliber falls to us in the low to mid 20's in June. So he is worth our pick.

Barton is the perfect 7th man and backup 2/3 for this team. He could be crucial to our Title run for the next two years and is paid 3.5M each year... peanuts. He is worth a 2019 1st, especially because we get to dump Nicholson as well.

Wall / Sato
Beal / Barton / Mclellan
Otto / Oubre / Barton
Morris / Juan / Oubre
Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith

That team is going to the ECF each of the next 2-3 years, while still allowing us to move forward after.

I'm not disagreeing on how good they are. I'm just saying that Barton's, while good and cheap is not worth a 2017 pick u protected, korver went for 2019 heavily protected. Herngomez is a good young player so is nurkic, nurk is a bench center and Gomez is going to get there some day but not yet. 2 seconds is probably fair. Nicholson is filler and its an even money trade this year and next. It's not a low ball but probably fair. For two seconds and an unprotected first.

Denver isn't that stupid to take low-ball offer...get real !!

[Dat2U]

if Barton had one more year on his current deal, I wouldn't hesitate to trade our 1st for him.

Nicholson, 2017 1st, 2019 1st for Barton and Hernangomez.

I still don't understand the love affair with Barton some have on this board.

1. I still argue he's more of a 3 than a 2. Even though one Denver fan came on here and said differently. The on/off number per 82games.com show Denver is more effective with him as the SF and they struggle when he's a SG. Of course he'd have to play SG with us because SF is covered with Porter & Oubre so I question the fit.

Player Floor Time Stats by Position

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Pos  Min   Net Pts Off      Def     Net48  W    L    Win%
SG   24%   -117    101.5    111.3   -9.8    9   23   28%
SF   16%    +22    111.3    108.5    2.8   14   12   53%

2. He's a poor defender. Whether it's as a G or F he doesn't defend either position well. His on/off numbers are bad. RPM doesn't seem to love his offense (-0.37) or defense (-0.86). His RPM is 229 out of 445 players (-1.23) and 43rd among listed SGs. RPM seems to regard him as an average NBA player. Lou Williams for example is listed 54 out 445 players and 6th among SGs (1.93) and has the 2nd highest ORPM among SGs in the league (3.91) only behind Harden.

3. Barton's relative youth at age 26 really doesn't matter. He's still basically a 15 month rental. We likely aren't able to resign anyone we trade for due to our cap situation going forward.

[Dat2U]

Hezonja is garbage.. he has a nice-looking release on his jumper - which doesn't go in very often - but that's about it. His other skills (ballhandling, defense, general awareness) are not at the NBA level

Bigtime bust for Orlando, especially with where they picked him at. Will cost their GM his job

He's pretty athletic and has good court vision. he could be a good player off our bench with wall and sato.

And he can't guard anyone in the league. The knock on his coming in was his immaturity and lack of professionalism. Unless Orlando is giving him away for free I'd have little interest. He's shown no ability at this stage to help an NBA team win basketball games. Adding a low basketball character guy for a playoff run seems like a suspect idea.

[pcbothwel]

if Barton had one more year on his current deal, I wouldn't hesitate to trade our 1st for him.

Nicholson, 2017 1st, 2019 1st for Barton and Hernangomez.

I still don't understand the love affair with Barton some have on this board.

1. I still argue he's more of a 3 than a 2. Even though one Denver fan came on here and said differently. The on/off number per 82games.com show Denver is more effective with him as the SF and they struggle when he's a SG. Of course he'd have to play SG with us because SF is covered with Porter & Oubre so I question the fit.

Player Floor Time Stats by Position

Code: Select all

Pos  Min   Net Pts Off      Def     Net48  W    L    Win%
SG   24%   -117    101.5    111.3   -9.8    9   23   28%
SF   16%    +22    111.3    108.5    2.8   14   12   53%

2. He's a poor defender. Whether it's as a G or F he doesn't defend either position well. His on/off numbers are bad. RPM doesn't seem to love his offense (-0.37) or defense (-0.86). His RPM is 229 out of 445 players (-1.23) and 43rd among listed SGs. RPM seems to regard him as an average NBA player. Lou Williams for example is listed 54 out 445 players and 6th among SGs (1.93) and has the 2nd highest ORPM among SGs in the league (3.91) only behind Harden.

3. Barton's relative youth at age 26 really doesn't matter. He's still basically a 15 month rental. We likely aren't able to resign anyone we trade for due to our cap situation going forward.

As I mentioned to Gambitx, the 2017 1st is for Hernangomez. The 2019 1st is for Barton and to dump Nicholson. Remember, Barton plays mostly with Mudiay and sometimes a rookie Murray. I think playing with a real PG like Wall and sometimes Sato might make him more effective.

If it makes you feel better, I would much prefer sending Nicholson and our 2019 1st to LA for Lou Will.

[NatP4]

if Barton had one more year on his current deal, I wouldn't hesitate to trade our 1st for him.

Nicholson, 2017 1st, 2019 1st for Barton and Hernangomez.

I still don't understand the love affair with Barton some have on this board.

1. I still argue he's more of a 3 than a 2. Even though one Denver fan came on here and said differently. The on/off number per 82games.com show Denver is more effective with him as the SF and they struggle when he's a SG. Of course he'd have to play SG with us because SF is covered with Porter & Oubre so I question the fit.

Player Floor Time Stats by Position

Code: Select all

Pos  Min   Net Pts Off      Def     Net48  W    L    Win%
SG   24%   -117    101.5    111.3   -9.8    9   23   28%
SF   16%    +22    111.3    108.5    2.8   14   12   53%

2. He's a poor defender. Whether it's as a G or F he doesn't defend either position well. His on/off numbers are bad. RPM doesn't seem to love his offense (-0.37) or defense (-0.86). His RPM is 229 out of 445 players (-1.23) and 43rd among listed SGs. RPM seems to regard him as an average NBA player. Lou Williams for example is listed 54 out 445 players and 6th among SGs (1.93) and has the 2nd highest ORPM among SGs in the league (3.91) only behind Harden.

3. Barton's relative youth at age 26 really doesn't matter. He's still basically a 15 month rental. We likely aren't able to resign anyone we trade for due to our cap situation going forward.

good stuff, who is it that fills in at the 2 for Denver that makes them so much better though? is it gary harris being healthy? Jamal murray playing more? can't have that much to do with Will Barton playing SF i would think.

found it hilarious to see Marcus Thornton dead last in DRPM LOL, concerning thing is that Lou is just a few spots ahead of him in the 80s, while Barton is ranked just behind Beal in the 50s. theres a lot of flukey stuff in here though, like nick young above Klay Thompson, and Vince Carter in the top 10.

Lou Williams is also having an outlier season and is due to regress, and at age 30, is probably not going to improve. I would think that the team would be looking for a player that can play the wing as well as the 2 based on otto playing a lot of 4, and oubre playing big minutes.

[Dat2U]

Nicholson, 2017 1st, 2019 1st for Barton and Hernangomez.

I still don't understand the love affair with Barton some have on this board.

1. I still argue he's more of a 3 than a 2. Even though one Denver fan came on here and said differently. The on/off number per 82games.com show Denver is more effective with him as the SF and they struggle when he's a SG. Of course he'd have to play SG with us because SF is covered with Porter & Oubre so I question the fit.

Player Floor Time Stats by Position

Code: Select all

Pos  Min   Net Pts Off      Def     Net48  W    L    Win%
SG   24%   -117    101.5    111.3   -9.8    9   23   28%
SF   16%    +22    111.3    108.5    2.8   14   12   53%

2. He's a poor defender. Whether it's as a G or F he doesn't defend either position well. His on/off numbers are bad. RPM doesn't seem to love his offense (-0.37) or defense (-0.86). His RPM is 229 out of 445 players (-1.23) and 43rd among listed SGs. RPM seems to regard him as an average NBA player. Lou Williams for example is listed 54 out 445 players and 6th among SGs (1.93) and has the 2nd highest ORPM among SGs in the league (3.91) only behind Harden.

3. Barton's relative youth at age 26 really doesn't matter. He's still basically a 15 month rental. We likely aren't able to resign anyone we trade for due to our cap situation going forward.

As I mentioned to Gambitx, the 2017 1st is for Hernangomez. The 2019 1st is for Barton and to dump Nicholson. Remember, Barton plays mostly with Mudiay and sometimes a rookie Murray. I think playing with a real PG like Wall and sometimes Sato might make him more effective.

If it makes you feel better, I would much prefer sending Nicholson and our 2019 1st to LA for Lou Will.

Mudiay also plays with Jokic, Gallinari & Gary Harris. They all have positive on/off differentials despite Mudiay. Murray, despite being a rookie also has a positive on/off differential. Here a the guys on the Nuggets with a worse on/off differential than Barton:
Jusuf Nurkic (another guy folks seem to love for some odd reason - he's got the worst on the team), the aforementioned bust Emmanuel Mudiay, the previously released Alonzo Gee & the skeleton of Mike Miller. I simply don't think Barton is all that good (he appears to be the type of guy that gets decent numbers at the expense of his teammates) and his career on/off numbers seem to bear this out.

[Dat2U]

Nicholson, 2017 1st, 2019 1st for Barton and Hernangomez.

I still don't understand the love affair with Barton some have on this board.

1. I still argue he's more of a 3 than a 2. Even though one Denver fan came on here and said differently. The on/off number per 82games.com show Denver is more effective with him as the SF and they struggle when he's a SG. Of course he'd have to play SG with us because SF is covered with Porter & Oubre so I question the fit.

Player Floor Time Stats by Position

Code: Select all

Pos  Min   Net Pts Off      Def     Net48  W    L    Win%
SG   24%   -117    101.5    111.3   -9.8    9   23   28%
SF   16%    +22    111.3    108.5    2.8   14   12   53%

2. He's a poor defender. Whether it's as a G or F he doesn't defend either position well. His on/off numbers are bad. RPM doesn't seem to love his offense (-0.37) or defense (-0.86). His RPM is 229 out of 445 players (-1.23) and 43rd among listed SGs. RPM seems to regard him as an average NBA player. Lou Williams for example is listed 54 out 445 players and 6th among SGs (1.93) and has the 2nd highest ORPM among SGs in the league (3.91) only behind Harden.

3. Barton's relative youth at age 26 really doesn't matter. He's still basically a 15 month rental. We likely aren't able to resign anyone we trade for due to our cap situation going forward.

good stuff, who is it that fills in at the 2 for Denver that makes them so much better though? is it gary harris being healthy? Jamal murray playing more? can't have that much to do with Will Barton playing SF i would think.

found it hilarious to see Marcus Thornton dead last in DRPM LOL, concerning thing is that Lou is just a few spots ahead of him in the 80s, while Barton is ranked just behind Beal in the 50s. theres a lot of flukey stuff in here though, like nick young above Klay Thompson, and Vince Carter in the top 10.

Lou Williams is also having an outlier season and is due to regress, and at age 30, is probably not going to improve. I would think that the team would be looking for a player that can play the wing as well as the 2 based on otto playing a lot of 4, and oubre playing big minutes.

Harris has played well. So has Murray despite being a rookie. Denver has a positive differential when both have played. SG is not a problem for Denver except when Barton gets a quarter of the minutes there.

It doesn't surprise me Thornton is the worst. It's why he lost his rotation spot. Burke is 5th worse a PG. Satoransky's jump shot is the only thing keeping Burke in the lineup for now.

Klay's DRPM has always been bad. He get lauded for being a very good individual defender... he's good at staying with some of the tougher guard matchups in the league but he's been known to struggle with his responsibilities as a team defender. I've said for a few years now, team defense is more important than individually locking a scorer down. It's why Porter's numbers look good despite struggling with certain players. Porter, more often than not, is in the right place at the right time. I can't say the same for Klay. This theory would apply to a smart, heady veteran like Vince as well.

Lou is having a career year but he's also a former 6th man of the year. He's had a number of good seasons in his career, last season was more of an outlier for him if anything. His defense has never been good but RPM basically has him nearly twice the defender Thornton is (-1.98 to -3.41). His defense is what keeps him coming off the bench because he's absolutely one of the better offensive 2-guards in the league and has been for a number of years now.

[NatP4]

I still don't understand the love affair with Barton some have on this board.

1. I still argue he's more of a 3 than a 2. Even though one Denver fan came on here and said differently. The on/off number per 82games.com show Denver is more effective with him as the SF and they struggle when he's a SG. Of course he'd have to play SG with us because SF is covered with Porter & Oubre so I question the fit.

Player Floor Time Stats by Position

Code: Select all

Pos  Min   Net Pts Off      Def     Net48  W    L    Win%
SG   24%   -117    101.5    111.3   -9.8    9   23   28%
SF   16%    +22    111.3    108.5    2.8   14   12   53%

2. He's a poor defender. Whether it's as a G or F he doesn't defend either position well. His on/off numbers are bad. RPM doesn't seem to love his offense (-0.37) or defense (-0.86). His RPM is 229 out of 445 players (-1.23) and 43rd among listed SGs. RPM seems to regard him as an average NBA player. Lou Williams for example is listed 54 out 445 players and 6th among SGs (1.93) and has the 2nd highest ORPM among SGs in the league (3.91) only behind Harden.

3. Barton's relative youth at age 26 really doesn't matter. He's still basically a 15 month rental. We likely aren't able to resign anyone we trade for due to our cap situation going forward.

good stuff, who is it that fills in at the 2 for Denver that makes them so much better though? is it gary harris being healthy? Jamal murray playing more? can't have that much to do with Will Barton playing SF i would think.

found it hilarious to see Marcus Thornton dead last in DRPM LOL, concerning thing is that Lou is just a few spots ahead of him in the 80s, while Barton is ranked just behind Beal in the 50s. theres a lot of flukey stuff in here though, like nick young above Klay Thompson, and Vince Carter in the top 10.

Lou Williams is also having an outlier season and is due to regress, and at age 30, is probably not going to improve. I would think that the team would be looking for a player that can play the wing as well as the 2 based on otto playing a lot of 4, and oubre playing big minutes.

Harris has played well. So has Murray despite being a rookie. Denver has a positive differential when both have played. SG is not a problem for Denver except when Barton gets a quarter of the minutes there.

It doesn't surprise me Thornton is the worst. It's why he lost his rotation spot. Burke is 5th worse a PG. Satoransky's jump shot is the only thing keeping Burke in the lineup for now.

Klay's DRPM has always been bad. He get lauded for being a very good individual defender... he's good at staying with some of the tougher guard matchups in the league but he's been known to struggle with his responsibilities as a team defender. I've said for a few years now, team defense is more important than individually locking a scorer down. It's why Porter's numbers look good despite struggling with certain players. Porter, more often than not, is in the right place at the right time. I can't say the same for Klay. This theory would apply to a smart, heady veteran like Vince as well.

Lou is having a career year but he's also a former 6th man of the year. He's had a number of good seasons in his career, last season was more of an outlier for him if anything. His defense has never been good but RPM basically has him nearly twice the defender Thornton is (-1.98 to -3.41). His defense is what keeps him coming off the bench because he's absolutely one of the better offensive 2-guards in the league and has been for a number of years now.

so you bring up a good point, age doesn't matter because we weren't resigning either most likely, maybe a lux tax situation, but probably not. Lou won't regress much in two years. The choice is between a player that is somewhat average at both ends, and a player that is one of the best in the league offensively, and one of the worst at his position defensively. My argument about Lou, was that in the playoffs, you can't contribute if you only play one end and get abused on the other, but does Will Barton really help you against the Cavs? i don't know. its a tough call, if Lou was passable defensively and big enough to play some minutes at the 3, I'm sold obviously.

I'm just glad we ended the marcus thornton horror show. I'm cautiously optimistic that Ernie has a completely different player in mind that none of us has even mentioned, that fits the bill perfectly. I'm not in love with will barton, just think he's better than Lou will

[80sballboy]

Who needs to make a trade when we have this guy?

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[dangermouse]

I'd give our 2017 first for Barton but not for Lou.

If Lakers wanted it for Lou they would have to take Nicholson back, and i dont see them doing that, but you never know I guess...

I'm completely averse to trading Oubre for anything outside of a blockbuster deal that nabs us an all star (who isnt named Carmelo). He just has too much potential and hes cheap. Locking up Porter and keeping Oubre, our SF rotation is set, and Porter even slides to PF where possible so there is always going to be minutes. As it gets closer to needing to re-sign Oubre in another 2 seasons i'd re-evaluate that situation and trade whoever I think is the lesser of the two for an upgrade elsewhere.

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You are missing my valuation. I never said that Barton is worth a 2017 1st, I said he is worth a 2019 1st and dumping Nicholson....

The trouble with your valuation is that, where we are and expect to be this year, the 2019 pick (even protected) is worth MORE than the 2017 one. It protects us against a Wall injury, and the flexibility to be able to trade it for a need later on is worth more, not less.