2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[Old Man Game]

This organization owes it to Russ to either put a better supporting cast around Russ or trade him to a better situation. He shouldn't have to put up with losing to Cupcake like this continually going out in a blaze of glory. Last man standing while his team mates play like trash.

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[ThunderBolt]

This organization owes it to Russ to either put a better supporting cast around Russ or trade him to a better situation. He shouldn't have to put up with losing to Cupcake like this continually going out in a blaze of glory. Last man standing while his team mates play like trash.

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Yep I agree totally. Vic had a decent night statistically. He made some ill advised mistakes at key times but so did Russ early on. Russ played a really great game once he calmed down. Everyone says that based on the new CBA the deals we gave Kanter and Vic aren't horrible deals. Maybe they are fairly compensated but they prevent us from having room to do much.

Adams struggled defensively. I'm not sure how much blame he should get or credit should be given to Golden State. McGee got way too many open looks. I really like Adams but I'm just not sure we should have given him as much a money as we did. To me he averages about 6-8ppg on his own. The rest dependson what Russ is able to create for him. I know he normally blocks out for Russ but I feel his rebounding should be better. His free throw shooting improvement seems to be a mirage.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Yeah but we're not invested $20 million a year in a draft pick. Oladipos salary can be used to bring in someone that could maybe hit a wide open three.

No it couldn't. If you were drop Dipo from the books OKC is still over the cap.

[spearsy23]

Yeah but we're not invested $20 million a year in a draft pick. Oladipos salary can be used to bring in someone that could maybe hit a wide open three.

No it couldn't. If you were drop Dipo from the books OKC is still over the cap.

Not if you drop Kanter as well.

[Pillendreher]

Over the last 15 games:

Alex Abrines: 4/10 = 40 % (Open) | 5/9 = 55.6 % (Wide Open) | 9/19 = 47.4 % (Combined)
Andre Roberson: 1/1 = 100 % (Open) | 1/29 = 3.4 % (Wide Open) | 2/30 = 6.7 % (Combined)
Anthony Morrow: 4/16 = 25 % (Open) | 2/10 = 20 % (Wide Open) | 6/26 = 23.1 % (Combined)
Cameron Payne: 6/13 = 46.2 % (Open) | 5/21 = 23.8 % (Wide Open) | 11/34 = 32.4 % (Combined)
Domantas Sabonis: 0/4 = 0 % (Open) | 6/24 = 25 % (Wide Open) | 6/28 = 21.4 % (Combined)
Jerami Grant: 0/5 = 0 % (Open) | 6/14 = 42.9 % (Wide Open) | 6/19 = 31.6 % (Combined)
Joffrey Lauvergne: 0/7 = 0 % (Open) | 6/12 = 50 % (Wide Open) | 6/19 = 31.6 % (Combined)
Russell Westbrook: 20/54 = 37.0 % (Open) | 13/32 = 40.625 % (Wide Open) | 33/86 = 38.4 % (Combined)
Victor Oladipo: 11/33 = 33.3 % (Open) | 6/24 = 25 % (Wide Open) | 17/57 = 29.8 % (Combined)

Westbrook is doing everything he can to keep us afloat. Just astonishing.

[Bergmaniac]

If someone had told me before the season Westbrook would have a way better year shooting from 3 than Morrow I would have laughed in his face. Yet here it is.

[ThunderBolt]

The last few games I don't get upset when Russ shoots threes or turns it over. I'm all for getting other guys involved but they can't hit shots. I don't know if Abrines is still having back issues but he's disappeared. I just want a solid number 2 for Russ more than anything.

[NetsWorld]

I think Presti will try and build a better team around Russ through trades and free agency over the course of the off-season. Westbrook is such a tremendous talent and deserves better than this. It looked like him and Adams vs the Warriors last night. Also, yes Westbrook plays extremely quick and turns the ball over a few times but the Warriors defense played a huge role in that and they knew Westbrook's supporting cast was not strong. You know you are a top 5 player in the game when you put up huge numbers against a blazing Warrior defense.

[Pillendreher]

I think Presti will try and build a better team around Russ through trades and free agency over the course of the off-season.

How? What assets do we have? And how will he generate caspace out of the blue?

[OkcMagic]

Can't wait till the 2017-18 season start and everybody see what presti has done with the team over the draft and off-season and we have 3 or 4 threads on how presti is the god gm


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[NetsWorld]

I think Presti will try and build a better team around Russ through trades and free agency over the course of the off-season.

How? What assets do we have? And how will he generate caspace out of the blue?

Draft picks plus Adams. And his contract is caused by the fact the salary cap jumped. Unlike several years ago when Joe Johnson had an awful deal with the Nets.

[Pillendreher]

I think Presti will try and build a better team around Russ through trades and free agency over the course of the off-season.

How? What assets do we have? And how will he generate caspace out of the blue?

Draft picks plus Adams. And his contract is caused by the fact the salary cap jumped. Unlike several years ago when Joe Johnson had an awful deal with the Nets.

What picks? We can't trade a draft pick until 2022.

[Old Man Game]

How? What assets do we have? And how will he generate caspace out of the blue?

Draft picks plus Adams. And his contract is caused by the fact the salary cap jumped. Unlike several years ago when Joe Johnson had an awful deal with the Nets.

What picks? We can't trade a draft pick until 2022.

You can still do draft swaps though those are typically not as desirable as trade assets.

[Pillendreher]

Draft picks plus Adams. And his contract is caused by the fact the salary cap jumped. Unlike several years ago when Joe Johnson had an awful deal with the Nets.

What picks? We can't trade a draft pick until 2022.

You can still do draft swaps though those are typically not as desirable as trade assets.

Especially since our pick will most probably never be worth much. If it is, we're rebuilding anyway.

[ThunderBolt]

I think Presti will try and build a better team around Russ through trades and free agency over the course of the off-season.

How? What assets do we have? And how will he generate caspace out of the blue?

Adams and Abrines for CJ Mccolum.
Payne and Roberson for Wilson Chandler.
Oladipo for Cauley-stein+ whatever else we could get/need to to do to make the trade/Salaries work.

I'm higher in Cauley-stein than most. Since Gay's injury he's been getting minutes and his production has significantly went up. This roster gives us some significant offensive improvement but we would take a hit on he defensive end. However we still have Sabonis, Grant and Kanter left. Maybe some of those guys stay or they are moved to add other pieces that fit better. If Collison retires and morrow isn't resigned, there is some flexibility there as well. For my scenario mentioned above, maybe there is a better big that we could get besides WCS. I'll listen to options. I'm just not sure what else is there that's on a rookie contract.

Denver might want not take Payne and Roberson for Chandler, but I don't think it's unreasonable. They need a pg and might be willing to roll the dice. Let's say they want Sabonis. Do we make the trade? If we are trying to win now I think we need to consider it. Also, we have the TPE so possibly we can use other pieces to get Jameer Nelson for a backup pg. If we move Adams, what about Nurkic as a a big? If we trade Sabonis can Grant play PF?

Demarcus Cousins is 26. I think that puts Sacramento in a position where they don't have to win now, but I don't think they want to a full rebuild either. A guy like Vic could be appealing to them. So what can we get from Sacramento? WCS? Draft pick? At this point we could still likely have Payne, Roberson or Grant to help facilitate any trade. It depends on what's given up in the previous two deals. Also, if we can dump Kanter salary we'll have some cap room. It's hard to say exactly how it will work but I'm in favor of moving this direction.

[Pillendreher]

I think Presti will try and build a better team around Russ through trades and free agency over the course of the off-season.

How? What assets do we have? And how will he generate caspace out of the blue?

Adams and Abrines for CJ Mccolum.
Payne and Roberson for Wilson Chandler.
Oladipo for Cauley-stein+ whatever else we could get/need to to do to make the trade/Salaries work.

I'm higher in Cauley-stein than most. Since Gay's injury he's been getting minutes and his production has significantly went up. This roster gives us some significant offensive improvement but we would take a hit on he defensive end. However we still have Sabonis, Grant and Kanter left. Maybe some of those guys stay or they are moved to add other pieces that fit better. If Collison retires and morrow isn't resigned, there is some flexibility there as well. For my scenario mentioned above, maybe there is a better big that we could get besides WCS. I'll listen to options. I'm just not sure what else is there that's on a rookie contract.

Denver might want not take Payne and Roberson for Chandler, but I don't think it's unreasonable. They need a pg and might be willing to roll the dice. Let's say they want Sabonis. Do we make the trade? If we are trying to win now I think we need to consider it. Also, we have the TPE so possibly we can use other pieces to get Jameer Nelson for a backup pg. If we move Adams, what about Nurkic as a a big? If we trade Sabonis can Grant play PF?

Demarcus Cousins is 26. I think that puts Sacramento in a position where they don't have to win now, but I don't think they want to a full rebuild either. A guy like Vic could be appealing to them. So what can we get from Sacramento? WCS? Draft pick? At this point we could still likely have Payne, Roberson or Grant to help facilitate any trade. It depends on what's given up in the previous two deals. Also, if we can dump Kanter salary we'll have some cap room. It's hard to say exactly how it will work but I'm in favor of moving this direction.

OK. And where does that leave us? We get an improvement at SG, but lose our defense completely.

[ThunderBolt]

Potentially you could still have Grant, Robes or Sabonis. All three which are or can be good defenders. Sabonis is 6'10. Why can't he be a small ball lineup center? McCollum isn't as good of a defender as Vic but I still think it's a net positive. Losing Adams hurts defensively, but i think WCS has the athleticism to be a good defender. His rebounding has improved. If you go after move Kanter and Vic, can you go after Noel? Maybe if Russ doesn't have to drop 40 a game in order to get a win, he can step up his defense. I'm not saying this scenario makes them as good As the warriors but I think it helps. I think as we currently sit we are a good defensive team but not as good as some want to believe.

[Pillendreher]

Potentially you could still have Grant, Robes or Sabonis. All three which are or can be good defenders. Sabonis is 6'10. Why can't he be a small ball lineup center? McCollum isn't as good of a defender as Vic but I still think it's a net positive. Losing Adams hurts defensively, but i think WCS has the athleticism to be a good defender. His rebounding has improved. If you go after move Kanter and Vic, can you go after Noel? Maybe if Russ doesn't have to drop 40 a game in order to get a win, he can step up his defense. I'm not saying this scenario makes them as good As the warriors but I think it helps. I think as we currently sit we are a good defensive team but not as good as some want to believe.

Robes and Adams are the only ones defending consistently on this team. You're improving on one end and bust your team wide open on the other end.

I don't see that as a feasible strategy.

[ThunderBolt]

Potentially you could still have Grant, Robes or Sabonis. All three which are or can be good defenders. Sabonis is 6'10. Why can't he be a small ball lineup center? McCollum isn't as good of a defender as Vic but I still think it's a net positive. Losing Adams hurts defensively, but i think WCS has the athleticism to be a good defender. His rebounding has improved. If you go after move Kanter and Vic, can you go after Noel? Maybe if Russ doesn't have to drop 40 a game in order to get a win, he can step up his defense. I'm not saying this scenario makes them as good As the warriors but I think it helps. I think as we currently sit we are a good defensive team but not as good as some want to believe.

Robes and Adams are the only ones defending consistently on this team. You're improving on one end and bust your team wide open on the other end.

I don't see that as a feasible scenario.

I think Adams and Robes defense is offset by their offensive struggles. Especially robes. Adams really isn't able to score on his own. I'll give him credit for catching some very difficult passes. TBH, I love Adams. I just don't see how we can get a second scoring option without moving him. He doesn't have to give us 25/10 but he does need to generate more offense on his own. I'm of the mindset that we need to do major moves if we want to win now. I'm not saying it will work but don't see how it will work if we stay as we are now. Can you get a guy like Mccolum for anything less? I doubt it.

[Pillendreher]

I think Adams and Robes defense is offset by their offensive struggles. Especially robes. Adams really isn't able to score on his own. I'll give him credit for catching some very difficult passes. TBH, I love Adams. I just don't see how we can get a second scoring option without moving him. He doesn't have to give us 25/10 but he does need to generate more offense on his own. I'm of the mindset that we need to do major moves if we want to win now. I'm not saying it will work but don't see how it will work if we stay as we are now. Can you get a guy like Mccolum for anything less? I doubt it.

It's tough. I never really thought it would be that difficult until I went through an offseason with this team in 2K17 (:D). We just don't have that many ways to improve, especially since Russ doesn't get any younger. How long will he be able to play at this pace? 2 more years? 3 more years?