The Trade Thread II

[Nemesis21]

I'm really intrigued to see what Davis / Okafor can do.

They could also add a top prospect at PG or SF via the draft this year.

I'm not the biggest Buddy Hield fan but that is based on his college hype being far greater than his true NBA potential. As the 4th option he is not bad at all.

NO could be very interesting next year.

Probably SF, they want to resign Jrue.

Jrue
Hield
Jackson or Tatum
AD
Okafor

This appears to be a 6-7 player draft with the big board changing every week the NO looking to bring up the rear of that range. If they go with BPA they may not have a choice of position. They make just have to take whoever is left.

But yeah; pulling off this trade, drafting Tatum and resigning Holiday would make them a very intriguing team.

But they'll likely pick 6th or 7th, all of Fultz, Ball and DSJ could be gone by then.

[mademan]

Ibaka next to Horford would definitely put Boston in the conversation for challenging Cleveland in the east. The real question you should be asking yourself is whether Jaylen Brown helps you more than Ibaka does...

Hint- Any sane person will tell you Ibaka helps you more right now in your championship window. Especially in place of a young SF backup that plays 16mpg for you.

the celts have about as much chance of winning the NBA championship as thr magic. THat 19 year old may one day become a Very good player and we will all remember that we traded him away for a rental and got swept by Cleveland. No thanks

I don't see why beating Cleveland is an unreasonable goal this year. Golden State is another matter. I can understand why you wouldn't part with Brown for an expiring Ibaka, but I wouldn't get so attached to him that you pass up an opportunity to add another key asset. The hype around Brown right now exceeds what he has shown over the last couple years. If he is entering the draft this year, he might not even go in the top 10.

Boston with Ibaka is still a pretty big underdog to Cleveland in the playoffs. Playoffs are all about talent, and IT/Ibaka/Horford is just not gonna be up to snuff vs Lebron/Kyrie/Love. Trading Brown for Ibaka, when they can just go out and offer Ibaka a contract this summer, is short sighted, and thats without getting into the fact that the 3rd overall pick in last years draft who's under contract for 4 more years is more valuable than an expiring Ibaka

[MagicFan101]

Probably SF, they want to resign Jrue.

Jrue
Hield
Jackson or Tatum
AD
Okafor

This appears to be a 6-7 player draft with the big board changing every week the NO looking to bring up the rear of that range. If they go with BPA they may not have a choice of position. They make just have to take whoever is left.

But yeah; pulling off this trade, drafting Tatum and resigning Holiday would make them a very intriguing team.

But they'll likely pick 6th or 7th, all of Fultz, Ball and DSJ could be gone by then.

Dennis Smith has fallen back behind Isaac and Jackson on some mocks (my own as well).

Monk, Fox and Tatum will all be in consideration as will the French kid who may rocket up boards like Porzingis once people see him in workouts.

This is going to be a wild draft...

[Nemesis21]

This appears to be a 6-7 player draft with the big board changing every week the NO looking to bring up the rear of that range. If they go with BPA they may not have a choice of position. They make just have to take whoever is left.

But yeah; pulling off this trade, drafting Tatum and resigning Holiday would make them a very intriguing team.

But they'll likely pick 6th or 7th, all of Fultz, Ball and DSJ could be gone by then.

Dennis Smith has fallen back behind Isaac and Jackson on some mocks (my own as well).

Monk, Fox and Tatum will all be in consideration as will the French kid who may rocket up boards like Porzingis once people see him in workouts.

This is going to be a wild draft...

I'm hoping we get top 3.

1) Boston - Fultz
2) Phoenix - Ball
3) Orlando - Isaac
4) Minnesota - DSJ
5) Lakers - Jackson
6) Knicks - Fox
7) Pelicans - Tatum
8) Philly - Monk
9) Sacramento - Markkanen
10) Dallas - Ntilikina

[Orl_Magic]

Jackson all day

[nbafan341]

Serge ibaka for cory joseph and lucas nougeria

Unless Raps let go on BOTH their 1st and filler for Ibaka or Powell and one of their 1st for Ibaka, he will be headed elsewhere. Thats his value and if TOR wont match it, some other team like HOU, POR, or BOS will. Raptors just dont have alot of good assets besides Powell. Everyone else is just kinda meh or average at best. Ross, Joseph, Fatty, Lucan is ok, etc are not worth the value of Ibaka.

Ibaka is an expiring in 2 months. no way would orlando get a first rounder and a prospect like powell. I dont think any team would be willing to ante up that much for ibaka, his piece is literaly 1 up and coming prospect or a late first rounder, definitely not more. He wont be delt elsewhere because very few teams will even offer such a package. Orlando would be better off trying to make a playoff run than get away with a trade like that.

[MoMM]

If we can grab Terrence Ross and Lucas Nougeria for Ibaka, then we have made out pretty well IMO.

Lucas is a 24 year old center who is playing 20+ minutes on a really good playoff team. Great finisher and shot blocker. Ross is what he is. A rotation player on a contender. Doesn't need the dribble to be effective (good complement to Elf). I'd be surprised if we could get much better.

5 ppg. 5 rpg in 20 mins, just looks like a back up center. not seeing anything special

Have you noticed that he has 1spg and 1.8bpg in 20mpg as well?

[Magicaljosh]

I would love josh jackson but he his a horrible free throw shooter. Imagine ending games with him and payton. Our free throw percentage will be the worst in the league. My top 3 prospects are:

1 Fultz
2 ball
3 issac

[MoMM]

We need a Top 2 pick to draft Ball or Fultz.

[MoMM]

Okafor trade seems to be heating up, not to us I would assume, but somewhere.

NOP

I'm really intrigued to see what Davis / Okafor can do.

They could also add a top prospect at PG or SF via the draft this year.

I'm not the biggest Buddy Hield fan but that is based on his college hype being far greater than his true NBA potential. As the 4th option he is not bad at all.

NO could be very interesting next year.

He is in the way to be the next JJ Redick, that's not bad at all.

[Xatticus]

the celts have about as much chance of winning the NBA championship as thr magic. THat 19 year old may one day become a Very good player and we will all remember that we traded him away for a rental and got swept by Cleveland. No thanks

I don't see why beating Cleveland is an unreasonable goal this year. Golden State is another matter. I can understand why you wouldn't part with Brown for an expiring Ibaka, but I wouldn't get so attached to him that you pass up an opportunity to add another key asset. The hype around Brown right now exceeds what he has shown over the last couple years. If he is entering the draft this year, he might not even go in the top 10.

Boston with Ibaka is still a pretty big underdog to Cleveland in the playoffs. Playoffs are all about talent, and IT/Ibaka/Horford is just not gonna be up to snuff vs Lebron/Kyrie/Love. Trading Brown for Ibaka, when they can just go out and offer Ibaka a contract this summer, is short sighted, and thats without getting into the fact that the 3rd overall pick in last years draft who's under contract for 4 more years is more valuable than an expiring Ibaka

It's really not that simple, or every series would end up in a sweep. I get that the lack of parity in the sport has led people to believe that the outcomes are foregone conclusions, but I've been following this league long enough to know that upsets happen. I've seen an eighth seed take out the top seeded team (five times), and I've seen a sixth seeded team win the NBA Finals.

LeBron, for all of the hype, has lost in the playoffs many times. One injury can completely change the complexion of the playoffs (Cleveland probably isn't the reigning champs if not for a Curry slip). If a team wants to take the deterministic approach and throw in the towel preemptively, they certainly have the right to do that.

[Xatticus]

Serge ibaka for cory joseph and lucas nougeria

Unless Raps let go on BOTH their 1st and filler for Ibaka or Powell and one of their 1st for Ibaka, he will be headed elsewhere. Thats his value and if TOR wont match it, some other team like HOU, POR, or BOS will. Raptors just dont have alot of good assets besides Powell. Everyone else is just kinda meh or average at best. Ross, Joseph, Fatty, Lucan is ok, etc are not worth the value of Ibaka.

Ibaka is an expiring in 2 months. no way would orlando get a first rounder and a prospect like powell. I dont think any team would be willing to ante up that much for ibaka, his piece is literaly 1 up and coming prospect or a late first rounder, definitely not more. He wont be delt elsewhere because very few teams will even offer such a package. Orlando would be better off trying to make a playoff run than get away with a trade like that.

His price is whatever Orlando management is willing to accept in return. Economics is about supply and demand. The demand for Ibaka is healthy. If you are holding out hope that you will get him for a late first and one of your bad contracts, you will be disappointed.

[magicfan217]

If we get Brown from the celtics for Ibaka their fans are going to lose their ****.

[OrlandoDream]

Serge ibaka for cory joseph and lucas nougeria

Unless Raps let go on BOTH their 1st and filler for Ibaka or Powell and one of their 1st for Ibaka, he will be headed elsewhere. Thats his value and if TOR wont match it, some other team like HOU, POR, or BOS will. Raptors just dont have alot of good assets besides Powell. Everyone else is just kinda meh or average at best. Ross, Joseph, Fatty, Lucan is ok, etc are not worth the value of Ibaka.

Ibaka is an expiring in 2 months. no way would orlando get a first rounder and a prospect like powell. I dont think any team would be willing to ante up that much for ibaka, his piece is literaly 1 up and coming prospect or a late first rounder, definitely not more. He wont be delt elsewhere because very few teams will even offer such a package. Orlando would be better off trying to make a playoff run than get away with a trade like that.

Playoff run? Are you serious? This is not a playoff team. It's a rebuild team. Young prospects and picks is what interest us. And then 2 month ibaka rental is the same argument ppl use to devaluate him. You know the team that trades for him will have the best chance to sign him to a multi year deal. So it's not just two months they will get him for as they will also have his bird rights. Get real

[mademan]

I don't see why beating Cleveland is an unreasonable goal this year. Golden State is another matter. I can understand why you wouldn't part with Brown for an expiring Ibaka, but I wouldn't get so attached to him that you pass up an opportunity to add another key asset. The hype around Brown right now exceeds what he has shown over the last couple years. If he is entering the draft this year, he might not even go in the top 10.

Boston with Ibaka is still a pretty big underdog to Cleveland in the playoffs. Playoffs are all about talent, and IT/Ibaka/Horford is just not gonna be up to snuff vs Lebron/Kyrie/Love. Trading Brown for Ibaka, when they can just go out and offer Ibaka a contract this summer, is short sighted, and thats without getting into the fact that the 3rd overall pick in last years draft who's under contract for 4 more years is more valuable than an expiring Ibaka

It's really not that simple, or every series would end up in a sweep. I get that the lack of parity in the sport has led people to believe that the outcomes are foregone conclusions, but I've been following this league long enough to know that upsets happen. I've seen an eighth seed take out the top seeded team (five times), and I've seen a sixth seeded team win the NBA Finals.

LeBron, for all of the hype, has lost in the playoffs many times. One injury can completely change the complexion of the playoffs (Cleveland probably isn't the reigning champs if not for a Curry slip). If a team wants to take the deterministic approach and throw in the towel preemptively, they certainly have the right to do that.

It's a risk-reward situation. It's just not worth it; Celts have max capspace this summer, they can go out and try to sign Ibaka/Milsap other big name while retaining Brown or they can put together an incredible package for any disgruntled superstar that comes on the market in the next 2 years. What they dont need to do and shouldnt even consider is overpaying for an expiring Ibaka. And Bird rights shouldnt mean much in this situation as Boston doesnt want to give Ibaka a max contract

I said this before, but I imagine the Magic will end up keeping him. The truth is, no team will pony up much for a guy who can potentially walk at the end of the season, and the few teams who would/should be taking that risk (actual contenders) don't have the assets. Hennigan would look pretty bad for selling a guy for less than he paid for him 6 months ago

[red96]

Unless Raps let go on BOTH their 1st and filler for Ibaka or Powell and one of their 1st for Ibaka, he will be headed elsewhere. Thats his value and if TOR wont match it, some other team like HOU, POR, or BOS will. Raptors just dont have alot of good assets besides Powell. Everyone else is just kinda meh or average at best. Ross, Joseph, Fatty, Lucan is ok, etc are not worth the value of Ibaka.

Ibaka is an expiring in 2 months. no way would orlando get a first rounder and a prospect like powell. I dont think any team would be willing to ante up that much for ibaka, his piece is literaly 1 up and coming prospect or a late first rounder, definitely not more. He wont be delt elsewhere because very few teams will even offer such a package. Orlando would be better off trying to make a playoff run than get away with a trade like that.

His price is whatever Orlando management is willing to accept in return. Economics is about supply and demand. The demand for Ibaka is healthy. If you are holding out hope that you will get him for a late first and one of your bad contracts, you will be disappointed.

Yes, Orlando controls his price, but not his value. The Magic only control what Ibaka's is worth to themselves. The league decides what 2 months of Ibaka is worth. If the best offer for Ibaka is only a late 2nd round pick(just an example), that's what the league deemed as his value. Its up to the Magic to either take what they feel is the best offer or take their chances in the off-season.

[Ik17]

Magic fan here, don't witch hunt me for saying this xD

Would anyone be up for a trade where we give Ibaka to Boston where we get ability to swap ours to that Brooklyn pick, for basically fillers from them besides that swap? (if that's even possible, I'm honestly not sure anymore, in which case Boston would get worse from ours and Brooklyns...)
Reasons for this: We clearly need a guaranteed star. Fultz and Ball are just that, or at least the closest thing to that that we can get. Boston is filled with guards on that squad. From what I've heard from their fans, they would be fine with one of those SF from positions 1-6 on the draft board now. From our standpoint, I think it would make sense, cause we would add +25% to our chances of getting no1 pick in this draft.

Why Boston does it? Well, it would seem that after getting that pick swap, we would try to win as many games as possible? Well what if there was a guarantee that wouldn't happen? Something like us trading Vučević for some future payoff, whether that be a pick, or a young project. Plus the fact that we would really really REALLY like to push Lakers out of the top 3, to get their 2019. pick. This way, you move Gordon back to PF (but play him at SF from time to time, for matchup purposes, like when Austin Rivers plays SF ffs xD), keep Payton for now if you can, if you don't package him with Vuch. Start Biyombo next to Gordon, start Hezonja on SF, keep Fournier, keep Payton, shop last two next season if good opportunity approaches. if Vučević brings you young player, play him as first one off the bench, if he brings you pick, trust in GMs drafting ability, whoever that GM might be. Lose Green, CJ next year, tolerate DJ for one more year with Fultz/Ball and Payton, and this time, try to build balanced team for Vogel, and not this mess we have right now...
I just think this would put us in battle for playoffs in season after the next one, instead of tricking ourselves that we're fighting for PO every season... That is until January comes ofc xD

That is if it's even possible to have potential swap on swapped pick. If not, I'll show myself out... xD

[Xatticus]

Ibaka is an expiring in 2 months. no way would orlando get a first rounder and a prospect like powell. I dont think any team would be willing to ante up that much for ibaka, his piece is literaly 1 up and coming prospect or a late first rounder, definitely not more. He wont be delt elsewhere because very few teams will even offer such a package. Orlando would be better off trying to make a playoff run than get away with a trade like that.

His price is whatever Orlando management is willing to accept in return. Economics is about supply and demand. The demand for Ibaka is healthy. If you are holding out hope that you will get him for a late first and one of your bad contracts, you will be disappointed.

Yes, Orlando controls his price, but not his value. The Magic only control what Ibaka's is worth to themselves. The league decides what 2 months of Ibaka is worth. If the best offer for Ibaka is only a late 2nd round pick(just an example), that's what the league deemed as his value. Its up to the Magic to either take what they feel is the best offer or take their chances in the off-season.

Right. But the price is really the only thing that's relevant for us. The Magic can simply let his contract expire and either attempt to re-sign him or let him walk and spend that money elsewhere.

The trade deadline is still almost two weeks out and no fewer than eight teams have already been linked with Ibaka. Fans of other teams keep coming in and expressing interest in him. Fans of Boston and Toronto, on the other hand, keep trying to explain the economics of the situation and rationalize why Orlando should accept some crap offer from them because... while they are interested, they aren't really really interested. Fine. Go back to your board and forget about acquiring Ibaka.

[magicman112]

Boston with Ibaka is still a pretty big underdog to Cleveland in the playoffs. Playoffs are all about talent, and IT/Ibaka/Horford is just not gonna be up to snuff vs Lebron/Kyrie/Love. Trading Brown for Ibaka, when they can just go out and offer Ibaka a contract this summer, is short sighted, and thats without getting into the fact that the 3rd overall pick in last years draft who's under contract for 4 more years is more valuable than an expiring Ibaka

It's really not that simple, or every series would end up in a sweep. I get that the lack of parity in the sport has led people to believe that the outcomes are foregone conclusions, but I've been following this league long enough to know that upsets happen. I've seen an eighth seed take out the top seeded team (five times), and I've seen a sixth seeded team win the NBA Finals.

LeBron, for all of the hype, has lost in the playoffs many times. One injury can completely change the complexion of the playoffs (Cleveland probably isn't the reigning champs if not for a Curry slip). If a team wants to take the deterministic approach and throw in the towel preemptively, they certainly have the right to do that.

It's a risk-reward situation. It's just not worth it; Celts have max capspace this summer, they can go out and try to sign Ibaka/Milsap other big name while retaining Brown or they can put together an incredible package for any disgruntled superstar that comes on the market in the next 2 years. What they dont need to do and shouldnt even consider is overpaying for an expiring Ibaka. And Bird rights shouldnt mean much in this situation as Boston doesnt want to give Ibaka a max contract

I said this before, but I imagine the Magic will end up keeping him. The truth is, no team will pony up much for a guy who can potentially walk at the end of the season, and the few teams who would/should be taking that risk (actual contenders) don't have the assets. Hennigan would look pretty bad for selling a guy for less than he paid for him 6 months ago

If you don't get an acceptable offer for Ibaka then just keep him and see what happens in the offseason. See what the market is and maybe he'll want to stay if a good player is drafted and an impact is made in free agency and if not then explore sign and trade deals.

[nbafan341]

His price is whatever Orlando management is willing to accept in return. Economics is about supply and demand. The demand for Ibaka is healthy. If you are holding out hope that you will get him for a late first and one of your bad contracts, you will be disappointed.

Yes, Orlando controls his price, but not his value. The Magic only control what Ibaka's is worth to themselves. The league decides what 2 months of Ibaka is worth. If the best offer for Ibaka is only a late 2nd round pick(just an example), that's what the league deemed as his value. Its up to the Magic to either take what they feel is the best offer or take their chances in the off-season.

Right. But the price is really the only thing that's relevant for us. The Magic can simply let his contract expire and either attempt to re-sign him or let him walk and spend that money elsewhere.

The trade deadline is still almost two weeks out and no fewer than eight teams have already been linked with Ibaka. Fans of other teams keep coming in and expressing interest in him. Fans of Boston and Toronto, on the other hand, keep trying to explain the economics of the situation and rationalize why Orlando should accept some crap offer from them because... while they are interested, they aren't really really interested. Fine. Go back to your board and forget about acquiring Ibaka.

Damn youre sensitive. my mistake for offerring some crap offer when lucas nougeria is valued in toronto and cojo is no crap player either. Who are these 8 teams expressing interest? You named toronto and boston but how about the other 6? Just because hennigan gave up dipo, lotto pick to get ibaka, doesnt mean ibaka is worth such value.