Taking the Board's Temperature: Reggie Jackson for DJ Augustin & Kyle Singler

[theBigLip]

I voted yes, but I think I'll change that. I think we can get better for RJ. Also, what do you think of Ish starting and Reggie coming off the bench? It is a VERY expensive backup but I think it makes the most sense.

I honestly don't think there's any salvaging of Reggie's game on our team. He's still a massive net negative when he's on the court due to his awful defense, poor court vision, and regression (due to injury?). That's why I voted yes. Because if Augustin could play for us how he played when he was starting for SVG (18.6ppg, 7.8 assists, 3TOPG, 44.7 FG%, 40.3 3PT %,94.3 FT%), I think he'd be an extremely valuable starting PG who fits the need for shooting and fast pace. And then we could keep bringing Ish off the bench (we all know DJ's shooting kinda dies when he comes off the bench).

I'm not sure what kind of trade started this thread, but I doubt Orlando (or anyone) wants RJ with his contract. Dj would certainly be nice right about now. I've always thought that Sacramento could be a good landing spot for RJ and we get Collison back.

[DBC10]

I'd do Lin for RJ in a heartbeat. I'd send them a 2nd rounder if they want too for their troubles.

But to get out of RJ's contract, I think we would likely do a lot of things

[mattao313]

I voted yes, but I think I'll change that. I think we can get better for RJ. Also, what do you think of Ish starting and Reggie coming off the bench? It is a VERY expensive backup but I think it makes the most sense.

I honestly don't think there's any salvaging of Reggie's game on our team. He's still a massive net negative when he's on the court due to his awful defense, poor court vision, and regression (due to injury?). That's why I voted yes. Because if Augustin could play for us how he played when he was starting for SVG (18.6ppg, 7.8 assists, 3TOPG, 44.7 FG%, 40.3 3PT %,94.3 FT%), I think he'd be an extremely valuable starting PG who fits the need for shooting and fast pace. And then we could keep bringing Ish off the bench (we all know DJ's shooting kinda dies when he comes off the bench).

I mean Reggie Jackson averaged 18 pts and 9 ast before so those stats really don't mean much. SVG runs a very PG friendly system so most PG's are gonna put up numbers here.

[ElectricMayhem]

I'm not sure what kind of trade started this thread, but I doubt Orlando (or anyone) wants RJ with his contract. Dj would certainly be nice right about now. I've always thought that Sacramento could be a good landing spot for RJ and we get Collison back.

The trade of Augustin and Singler for Reggie Jackson a few years ago started this trade.
It's not meant to be a realistic trade. It's simply meant to see if we are willing to accept back the low price we paid for him.

[theBigLip]

I'm not sure what kind of trade started this thread, but I doubt Orlando (or anyone) wants RJ with his contract. Dj would certainly be nice right about now. I've always thought that Sacramento could be a good landing spot for RJ and we get Collison back.

The trade of Augustin and Singler for Reggie Jackson a few years ago started this trade.
It's not meant to be a realistic trade. It's simply meant to see if we are willing to accept back the low price we paid for him.

Ah, ok, I thought someone had some 3 way trade or something and it was just ironic that it would reverse what we did. thx.

[coordinator0]

Eh, maybe. I want to say no since it seems like Detroit should be able to get better value for Jackson than that. But could they? If Reggie really is struggling (despite his numbers from late December saying otherwise) on the court due to his knee there is no market for him. In that case it's either sit Reggie and let him get healthy by July, which doesn't improve his trade value a whole lot since he's not playing and not proving that he's back to be being an asset on the court, or take take a deal in the mold of this one. If you really want Jackson gone this might be the only option at the moment. And I really do want Reggie gone...

If the situation is bad enough the Pistons might actually have to give up an asset to dump Jackson somewhere. I absolutely do not want them to do that though.

[Mr Peanut]

I say no only so I don't have to read posters writing Augustine instead of Augustin again.

[Blkbrd671]

me feels a healthy reggie is a game changer for our team, unfortunately we won't find that out til next season

[Blkbrd671]

after rereading the op, F* no we ain't taking back DJ and Singler for RJ. no fair take backs, even at RJ's price. AS i said in my previous post,i think alot of our dissappointment has to do with RJ still recovering and playing with the limp. SVG merely needs to play him off the bench, limit his minutes and let him gradually find himself again

[Blkbrd671]

The OKC Thunder and Orlando Magic are making a trade and they need Detroit's help facilitating it. You have just 5 minutes to decide if you are in or out. It ends with Detroit sending out Reggie Jackson and getting DJ Augustin from Orlando and Kyle Singler from OKC. Do you pull the trigger?

Obviously tonight's game with Ish leading the come back and Reggie not being right all season may sway some opinions.

My personal feeling: Reggie CAN provide much better value than those two as a player, but he is always going to be the leader of a low ceiling team because of his play style. He could be great off the bench, but I don't think his pride allows for that. It didn't allow him to back up one of the best NBA players in the game.

i think it was moreso, they didn't want to pay him what he felt he was worth and he wanted to start. I think ultimately as long as we are winning RJ will be fine off the bench until he recovers.

Also, the longer we keep him out of important moments, the more he will languish and become toxic. The end of his time in OKC wasn't pretty at all. To be honest, I keep going back and forth on whether I would do it or not. He can be so much better. He should have so much more value than this. But things could go really poorly really quick as well.

i think this is a overexaggeration, while to us fans it may seem it could get toxic or poorly, in reality our team is close and its up to SVG to figure out the right rotations. I mean its not like SVG didn't give RJ a chance to prove he was ready to come back. furthermore at his contract, for the next 3 years, it has tremendous value especially if he starts showing glimpses of his oldself. We tend to forget RJ was mr clutch last year.

So, would you do a quick cut of the cord receiving back equal value that we gave away for him - a trade that the following year we all considered a steal for us?

It depends on what equal value is, we essentially ripped of OKC, they'd have to throw in their first for us to consider anything from them.

[topsearch92]

I think it depends on the state of Reggie's knees. Which hopefully the staff can effectively evaluate. If his knees are toast and he is at 100% or near then dump his for a backup pg or whatever you can get and run. If they think he is still recovering and still injured keep him and don't sell low. But consider sitting him and don't run him into the ground. I think his knees probably aren't getting any better and we should dump and run. I could be completely wrong though.

[Laimbeer]

Even if you want to move Reggie, you can get more than this.

[Joe Berry]

me feels a healthy reggie is a game changer for our team, unfortunately we won't find that out til next season

Reggie WAS a game changer on offense for this team until his injury. Look at his advandced stats.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jacksre01.html

Offensive Box Plus/Minus, (Offensive) Win Shares dropped off this season but have been great last season. The trade was awesome, two bench guys for an above average starter. Reggie played at an almost allstar level last season (on offense), SVG locked him up for below average starting PG money. He got hurt and still hasn't recovered, thats NOBODYS fault. Now we can sell low on Reggie, if you can get a guy like Rubio - thats fine. But if his tradevalue is as low as i'd imagine, i'd rather shut him down give him time to recover and get him ready for next season.

[Redeemed]

No to the DJ & Singler offer. Reggie is hurt and he's hurting the team when he plays extended minutes. SVG HAS to cut his minutes. Start him if you want, but play him like you did against the Raptors. Limit him to the 17 to 20 minutes range, until his health and his contributions improve.

[Andre Roberstan]

Yo if you guys want Singler I'm down and I don't even like Reggie. But I'd love to see his face if he were stuck on the bench in OKC again.

PS, fantastic win. You guys know how I feel about the guy but I still like the rest of your team and that was a really awesome comeback!

Gotta find a third team to dump him to, I never want him back.

[hoophabit]

Yo if you guys want Singler I'm down and I don't even like Reggie. But I'd love to see his face if he were stuck on the bench in OKC again.

PS, fantastic win. You guys know how I feel about the guy but I still like the rest of your team and that was a really awesome comeback!

Gotta find a third team to dump him to, I never want him back.

And even this is tepid hate as compared to how Piston fans feel about Josh Smith!

[Andre Roberstan]

Yo if you guys want Singler I'm down and I don't even like Reggie. But I'd love to see his face if he were stuck on the bench in OKC again.

PS, fantastic win. You guys know how I feel about the guy but I still like the rest of your team and that was a really awesome comeback!

Gotta find a third team to dump him to, I never want him back.

And even this is tepid hate as compared to how Piston fans feel about Josh Smith!

You should hear Jazz fans talk about Enes Kanter.

Every fanbase has at least one of those guys, I think.

[Bakuto]

Gotta find a third team to dump him to, I never want him back.

And even this is tepid hate as compared to how Piston fans feel about Josh Smith!

You should hear Jazz fans talk about Enes Kanter.

Every fanbase has at least one of those guys, I think.

Who do Thunder fans hate more, RJ or KD?

[Andre Roberstan]

And even this is tepid hate as compared to how Piston fans feel about Josh Smith!

You should hear Jazz fans talk about Enes Kanter.

Every fanbase has at least one of those guys, I think.

Who do Thunder fans hate more, RJ or KD?

Probably KD, tbh. But RJ's up there. KD at least didn't tear up the locker room on the way out.

I don't generally come in the Pistons board and talk about Reggie, though, cause there's...history.

[Blkbrd671]

There is a history because you guys only show up when RJ's struggling but disappear when he's doing well. Maybe comment on our board other than when your feeling vindicated for a point in time.