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oddwolfhooligan · Post #1101 » by **oddwolfhooligan** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:18 pm

Assuming Brown's statement comes to fruition, then this is beyond ridiculous and the people who've been saying that nothing fishy is going on don't have a leg to stand on anymore. Either there's more to the injury than we've been told or Simmons is intentionally being kept out longer than he needs to be. What a freaking joke.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1102 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:26 pm

Arsenal wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:I'm telling you guys right now, if you think it's a given that next season they will wave the magic wand and Embiid will play 36 mpg and play in back to backs, etc etc... you're setting yourselves up for major disappointment.

Knowing this organization? They'll announce in August that they wanna be careful and start Embiid next season with the same 28 minute restrictions again and once again no back to backs until new years.

That might not be the worst idea considering Embiid's injury history. Simmons on the other hand needs to be a full-go next year right from the jump (barring a setback).

At some point they just gotta take the gloves off and let him go, and if he gets hurt he gets hurt. If not next season, when?

Arsenal · Post #1103 » by **Arsenal** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:28 pm

oddwolfhooligan wrote:Assuming Brown's statement comes to fruition, then this is beyond ridiculous and the people who've been saying that nothing fishy is going on don't have a leg to stand on anymore. Either there's more to the injury than we've been told or Simmons is intentionally being kept out longer than he needs to be. What a freaking joke.

Nothing wrong with shutting him down for the year (#TTP).

The only thing wrong is lying and stringing along the fanbase in the meantime. It's similar to Nerlens Noel, who definitely could have played in his first year. However, Hinkie shut that whole thing down early by coming right out and stating he would miss his entire first year soon after we traded for him.

I wouldn't be surprised if that led to friction with the Scott O'Neill types who are looking to sucker the fanbase out of their money by stringing them along with false hope. Luckily for him the Man of Action Bryan Colangelo is here to do their bidding.

Arsenal · Post #1104 » by **Arsenal** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:29 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:I'm telling you guys right now, if you think it's a given that next season they will wave the magic wand and Embiid will play 36 mpg and play in back to backs, etc etc... you're setting yourselves up for major disappointment.

Knowing this organization? They'll announce in August that they wanna be careful and start Embiid next season with the same 28 minute restrictions again and once again no back to backs until new years.

That might not be the worst idea considering Embiid's injury history. Simmons on the other hand needs to be a full-go next year right from the jump (barring a setback).

At some point they just gotta take the gloves off and let him go, and if he gets hurt he gets hurt. If not next season, when?

Well, what you said might make sense. Over time next year raise the limit to 32 mpg and let him play back-to-backs later in the season. Embiid is a special case with his injury history. It's not the same as it was with Noel or how it is with Simmons.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #1105 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:32 pm

Arsenal wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
That might not be the worst idea considering Embiid's injury history. Simmons on the other hand needs to be a full-go next year right from the jump (barring a setback).

At some point they just gotta take the gloves off and let him go, and if he gets hurt he gets hurt. If not next season, when?

Well, what you said might make sense. Over time next year raise the limit to 32 mpg and let him play back-to-backs later in the season. Embiid is a special case with his injury history. It's not the same as it was with Noel or how it is with Simmons.

Well, my thing is you're either healthy or you aren't. In 5 years his body isn't gonna be any less injury prone than it is 7 months from now. If they don't take the limits off next season, why would they ever?

I get waiting a full year to take limits off after being your first year back from injury, but after that he should be a full go. If not, it's very worrisome and infuriating IMO.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1106 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:33 pm

Sixers want Simmons to play so they sell more tickets. Simmons doesn't want to play so he can win ROTY.

oddwolfhooligan · Post #1107 » by **oddwolfhooligan** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:45 pm

Arsenal wrote:
oddwolfhooligan wrote:Assuming Brown's statement comes to fruition, then this is beyond ridiculous and the people who've been saying that nothing fishy is going on don't have a leg to stand on anymore. Either there's more to the injury than we've been told or Simmons is intentionally being kept out longer than he needs to be. What a freaking joke.

Nothing wrong with shutting him down for the year (#TTP).

The only thing wrong is lying and stringing along the fanbase in the meantime. It's similar to Nerlens Noel, who definitely could have played in his first year. However, Hinkie shut that whole thing down early by coming right out and stating he would miss his entire first year soon after we traded for him.

I wouldn't be surprised if that led to friction with the Scott O'Neill types who are looking to sucker the fanbase out of their money by stringing them along with false hope. Luckily for him the Man of Action Bryan Colangelo is here to do their bidding.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree. Ben Simmons isn't a robot with no feelings. In the overwhelming likelihood that he would not want to unnecessarily sit out an entire year, you do not keep him out just to lose a few more basketball games(I'm not even sure he'd move the needle for us this season anyways). That is, unless you want to alienate our #1 draft pick and send a message to every talented FA in the league that we don't know how to treat our players.

Edit: Obviously, this only applies if the Sixers are the reason for the hold up. If it's Simmons' camp that wants to keep him out, that's a totally different story.

MR28 · Post #1108 » by **MR28** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:46 pm

Yeah they can blow me.

the_process · Post #1109 » by **the_process** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:11 am

Arsenal wrote:
oddwolfhooligan wrote:Assuming Brown's statement comes to fruition, then this is beyond ridiculous and the people who've been saying that nothing fishy is going on don't have a leg to stand on anymore. Either there's more to the injury than we've been told or Simmons is intentionally being kept out longer than he needs to be. What a freaking joke.

Nothing wrong with shutting him down for the year (#TTP).

The only thing wrong is lying and stringing along the fanbase in the meantime. It's similar to Nerlens Noel, who definitely could have played in his first year. However, Hinkie shut that whole thing down early by coming right out and stating he would miss his entire first year soon after we traded for him.

I wouldn't be surprised if that led to friction with the Scott O'Neill types who are looking to sucker the fanbase out of their money by stringing them along with false hope. Luckily for him the Man of Action Bryan Colangelo is here to do their bidding.

I don't think there's any question that O'Neill had a part in Hinkie's demise, due to the whole "This Starts Now" marketing campaign that ended before it started when Hinkie dealt MCW.

F*** Scott O'Neil.

snoopdogg88 · Post #1110 » by **snoopdogg88** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:22 am

people are so jaded from the Hinkie era, they think sitting healthy players for entire NBA season is normal and logical.

Ben needs to play. he should already be on the court. there is literally zero excuse for someone to be out an entire NBA season with a 3-4 month injury suffered in September.

what the Sixers are doing is a disgrace and unacceptable.

MNSixerFan · Post #1111 » by **MNSixerFan** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:49 am

snoopdogg88 wrote:people are so jaded from the Hinkie era, they think sitting healthy players for entire NBA season is normal and logical.

Ben needs to play. he should already be on the court. there is literally zero excuse for someone to be out an entire NBA season with a 3-4 month injury suffered in September.

what the Sixers are doing is a disgrace and unacceptable.

Well said

phifans · Post #1112 » by **phifans** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:51 am

We are winning with or without Simmons right now so why bother ?
I don't care if he participate 5 on 5 I just want to see him play NOW no matter what ...

76thBearCub · Post #1113 » by **76thBearCub** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:12 am

snoopdogg88 wrote:people are so jaded from the Hinkie era, they think sitting healthy players for entire NBA season is normal and logical.

Ben needs to play. he should already be on the court. there is literally zero excuse for someone to be out an entire NBA season with a 3-4 month injury suffered in September.

what the Sixers are doing is a disgrace and unacceptable.

Has nothing to do with the Hinkie era imo. You can hate certain things that we have done and like other things.

But it is funny all the people that want to take everything at face value and call people conspiracy theorists aren't saying much. (I'm in the middle anyway, not trying to take any kind of credit)

eagereyez · Post #1114 » by **eagereyez** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:32 am

Sources tell me that the 76ers won't let Simmons play until he hits 10 3s in a row.

NBA Moses · Post #1115 » by **NBA Moses** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:44 am

snoopdogg88 wrote:people are so jaded from the Hinkie era, they think sitting healthy players for entire NBA season is normal and logical.
what the Sixers are doing is a disgrace and unacceptable.

I dont disagree but I could get over not playing Embiid + Simmons for the sake of the Tank.

But these idiots are winning games anyway which kind of defeats the purpose.

We are a 2 game winning streak away from drafting a stiff at the back end of lottery. :banghead:

NJ SixerFan · Post #1116 » by **NJ SixerFan** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:45 am

eagereyez wrote:Sources tell me that the 76ers won't let Simmons play until he hits 10 3s in a row.

Career ending.

AI_Efficiency · Post #1117 » by **AI_Efficiency** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:59 am

76thBearCub wrote:
snoopdogg88 wrote:people are so jaded from the Hinkie era, they think sitting healthy players for entire NBA season is normal and logical.

Ben needs to play. he should already be on the court. there is literally zero excuse for someone to be out an entire NBA season with a 3-4 month injury suffered in September.

what the Sixers are doing is a disgrace and unacceptable.

Has nothing to do with the Hinkie era imo. You can hate certain things that we have done and like other things.

But it is funny all the people that want to take everything at face value and call people conspiracy theorists aren't saying much. (I'm in the middle anyway, not trying to take any kind of credit)

I think people are severely underestimating how impactful this draft could be. The difference between good odds at a top 3 pick and picking outside the lottery are pretty close. We need another piece. Look at the Pelicans with AD. They are in a weird nether world where they aren't good but AD keeps them from being so bad they can draft top players. It will be hard for them to ever get him the help he needs. That could easily start to happen with Embiid. Conversely, getting a star in this draft completely changes our franchise's outlook. I agree Simmons might not move the needle much and we want to see what we have with him. But I'm completely fine shutting Embiid down for the year.

the_process · Post #1118 » by **the_process** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:01 am

Simmons has a bonus clause in his Nike contract for ROY. And there were the rumors when Simmons got hurt that Rich Paul flat out told BC that Ben was out for the year.

True or not true? Conspiracy theory or not? Everyone will look at it a different way. But at this point, when it looks increasingly unlikely that Simmons will play at all this year... I think it's something that needs to be considered.

MNSixerFan · Post #1119 » by **MNSixerFan** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:05 am

Embiid isn't hurt
Simmons could have played a month ago
They are trying to tank

The other players have improved enough we can beat some teams now

Tank not working...

NBA Moses · Post #1120 » by **NBA Moses** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:06 am

the_process wrote:Simmons has a bonus clause in his Nike contract for ROY. And there were the rumors when Simmons got hurt that Rich Paul flat out told BC that Ben was out for the year.

True or not true? Conspiracy theory or not? Everyone will look at it a different way. But at this point, when it looks increasingly unlikely that Simmons will play at all this year... I think it's something that needs to be considered.

I find that hard to believe. This kid if he just plays to his ground level is probably going to make $200M-$300 M in his career. Cant see anyone in his position worrying about a ROY bonus.