Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

[LukasBMW]

I'd rather give the Max/Max to hotheaded Boogie then Milsap/Gallinari/Ibaka/Hill

[lilfishi22]

I feel like Chris Paul wouldn't fit our young core. He will want a team that is contending not rebuilding through a youth and draft movement. We'd be better off sticking with Bled. Better yet, take one of the 3 franchise guards - Fultz, Ball or Smith. They will be just as good if not better than Paul.

Wow, I think that you underestimate CP3 big time.

It makes sense. CP3 wants to contend obviously and while he'll still make this team better, I don't feel like our plans align with his. I'd take one of those guards over CP3 even though CP3 is better right now.

[blee732]

I feel like Chris Paul wouldn't fit our young core. He will want a team that is contending not rebuilding through a youth and draft movement. We'd be better off sticking with Bled. Better yet, take one of the 3 franchise guards - Fultz, Ball or Smith. They will be just as good if not better than Paul.

Wow, I think that you underestimate CP3 big time.

It makes sense. CP3 wants to contend obviously and while he'll still make this team better, I don't feel like our plans align with his. I'd take one of those guards over CP3 even though CP3 is better right now.

Yeah this isn't like when we signed Nash back with Amare/JJ ready to break out, Marion in his prime. We have something like JJ in Book, but that's it. Chriss right now is basically high school Amare, and TJ/Dragan might combine to match a third of Marion's production. No way CP3 blows the last years of his prime waiting for them to maybe develop.

I guess the one possibility is if sign another superstar like Blake Griffin, but hard to see that happening (and frankly I don't like either of them so I don't want it to happen!).

[Frank Lee]

-Hang on to Bledsoe until draft day

-Offer a draft day package for Boogie.

-If they accept, we likely lose our lottery pick but get back the best bigman in the league to pair with Bledsoe and Booker.

-If they do not accept, we move Bledsoe for the best package of young talent which may be sending him to the Kings or Wolves for their 17 lottery pick.

-We either start out 17-18 with a loaded team ready to compete OR we start out 17-18 was the youngest and most pathetic in the league ready to tank 17-18 away knowing we have the Miami pick and our own lottery pick waiting for us.

This really is the best plan.

Strategy nutshelled

There isn't much else to do. I think it's an obvious play to try to land the Boogie man.... and then a reasonable counter of offering Bled if they want too much. In fact, I am warming up to plan B (drafting Ball) as my preference. If we can get a top ten pick and WCS for Bled....and some how end up with rookies Ball and Isaac(or?) i could actually embrace a true rebuild, rather than this half assed remodeling job we are currently involved in.

[wheezy]

As do I. And I doubted we'd get a second lottery pick last season too, now I just wish we'd traded into this draft instead. I think Lauri's NBA future far exceeds that of Chriss. I've seen too little of Bender to be comfortable saying one way or the other about him. But yeah, I doubt we get a second high pick again this season although adding a late first round pick or two for Tucker and Chandler opens the door a bit.

Bledsoe is worth a draft pick in the upcoming draft. I can see Minnesota/New Orleans pulling the trigger.

I could see that middle group of Sac, Dallas, NO possibly trading for bled. For me its not even about respect for him, its about getting the best value and right now hes probably higher than he'll ever been in terms of worth. I am not worried about having vets on the team anymore because A.) next year Booker will be in his 3rd year and is ready to take on that role...even at 21. B.) We still have and will have Dudley and Ronnie Price along with Watson who seems to if nothing else connect with his players.

I'd add ORL to that list, since their owner is dying to make the playoffs soon. We'd likely need to get a 3rd team involved to take Ibaka or whoever. Also, I thought I read something that Cuban wasn't interested in trading future picks.

[ATTL]

Here is the Sacramento pick situation:
2017 first round draft pick to Chicago
Sacramento's 1st round pick to Chicago (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-10 in 2017; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento will instead convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Chicago protected for selections 56-60 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Chicago will be extinguished) [Cleveland-Sacramento, 6/30/2011; Chicago-Cleveland, 1/7/2014]

2017 first round draft pick to Philadelphia (swap, Philadelphia incoming)
Philadelphia has the right to swap its 2017 1st round pick for Sacramento's 2017 1st round pick protected for selections 11-30 (if this pick falls within its protected range, then Philadelphia's swap right and Sacramento's obligation to Philadelphia will be extinguished) [Philadelphia-Sacramento, 7/9/2015]

2019 first round draft pick to Philadelphia
Sacramento's 2019 1st round pick to Philadelphia [Philadelphia-Sacramento, 7/9/2015]

So if sac gets a top 10 pick this year they can trade it. They owe an unprotected pick to Philly in 2019 so the next pick they can trade is 2021 if they can't trade this year's. They made some bad trades in the last couple years.

[Christine-In-AZ]

Here is the Sacramento pick situation:
2017 first round draft pick to Chicago
Sacramento's 1st round pick to Chicago (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-10 in 2017; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento will instead convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Chicago protected for selections 56-60 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Chicago will be extinguished) [Cleveland-Sacramento, 6/30/2011; Chicago-Cleveland, 1/7/2014]

2017 first round draft pick to Philadelphia (swap, Philadelphia incoming)
Philadelphia has the right to swap its 2017 1st round pick for Sacramento's 2017 1st round pick protected for selections 11-30 (if this pick falls within its protected range, then Philadelphia's swap right and Sacramento's obligation to Philadelphia will be extinguished) [Philadelphia-Sacramento, 7/9/2015]

2019 first round draft pick to Philadelphia
Sacramento's 2019 1st round pick to Philadelphia [Philadelphia-Sacramento, 7/9/2015]

So if sac gets a top 10 pick this year they can trade it. They owe an unprotected pick to Philly in 2019 so the next pick they can trade is 2021 if they can't trade this year's. They made some bad trades in the last couple years.

What if the Sixers finish #11 or later (still possible) AND the Kings end up 1-10...wouldn't the Sixers swap and then the Kings pick goes to the Bulls? IDK

EDIT: in other words...probably need both SAC and Sixers to finish 1-10 for Kings to trade their pick.

[TOO]

I feel like Chris Paul wouldn't fit our young core. He will want a team that is contending not rebuilding through a youth and draft movement. We'd be better off sticking with Bled. Better yet, take one of the 3 franchise guards - Fultz, Ball or Smith. They will be just as good if not better than Paul.

I think it's more reasonable to expect all three will be busts, than expect they'll be better than CP3.

Well said. Rookie potential somehow always gets overrated.

[Walt_Uoob]

Here is the Sacramento pick situation:
2017 first round draft pick to Chicago
Sacramento's 1st round pick to Chicago (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-10 in 2017; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento will instead convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Chicago protected for selections 56-60 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Chicago will be extinguished) [Cleveland-Sacramento, 6/30/2011; Chicago-Cleveland, 1/7/2014]

2017 first round draft pick to Philadelphia (swap, Philadelphia incoming)
Philadelphia has the right to swap its 2017 1st round pick for Sacramento's 2017 1st round pick protected for selections 11-30 (if this pick falls within its protected range, then Philadelphia's swap right and Sacramento's obligation to Philadelphia will be extinguished) [Philadelphia-Sacramento, 7/9/2015]

2019 first round draft pick to Philadelphia
Sacramento's 2019 1st round pick to Philadelphia [Philadelphia-Sacramento, 7/9/2015]

So if sac gets a top 10 pick this year they can trade it. They owe an unprotected pick to Philly in 2019 so the next pick they can trade is 2021 if they can't trade this year's. They made some bad trades in the last couple years.

What if the Sixers finish #11 or later (still possible) AND the Kings end up 1-10...wouldn't the Sixers swap and then the Kings pick goes to the Bulls? IDK

EDIT: in other words...probably need both SAC and Sixers to finish 1-10 for Kings to trade their pick.

Ah, that's right. I looked at this a few days ago and thought the SAC pick was spoken for no matter what. But you're right, they should still get the worse of the SAC/PHI picks and should still be able to trade that.

[DaleyBlind]

-Hang on to Bledsoe until draft day

-Offer a draft day package for Boogie.

-If they accept, we likely lose our lottery pick but get back the best bigman in the league to pair with Bledsoe and Booker.

-If they do not accept, we move Bledsoe for the best package of young talent which may be sending him to the Kings or Wolves for their 17 lottery pick.

-We either start out 17-18 with a loaded team ready to compete OR we start out 17-18 as the youngest and most pathetic in the league ready to tank 17-18 away knowing we have the Miami pick and our own lottery pick waiting for us.

This really is the best plan.

I like this plan.

[AtheJ415]

-Hang on to Bledsoe until draft day

-Offer a draft day package for Boogie.

-If they accept, we likely lose our lottery pick but get back the best bigman in the league to pair with Bledsoe and Booker.

-If they do not accept, we move Bledsoe for the best package of young talent which may be sending him to the Kings or Wolves for their 17 lottery pick.

-We either start out 17-18 with a loaded team ready to compete OR we start out 17-18 as the youngest and most pathetic in the league ready to tank 17-18 away knowing we have the Miami pick and our own lottery pick waiting for us.

This really is the best plan.

I like this plan.

I would actually keep the pick. Boogie would be awesome, but he's also much older than our core. Young guys just don't win in the league. Even MN who has 3 amazing youngsters cannot win in the NBA, and same for Philly, etc.. It is the greatest common denominator for the bad teams (especially defensively).

Ball in particular is the type of PG everyone here has been clamoring for. He's 6'6" and can see over the defense to make passes that 90% of PGs cannot make, and he also is a good athlete who can shoot (even though it looks weird, his release is very quick and his percentages are very high).

Fultz is a monster who would form one of the most dynamic backcourts in the NBA with Booker by the time our guys are actually ready to contend.

Boogie helps us win now, and if like many say we added Butler, it would be an exciting team, but that isn't a better team than GS. I'm not sure it's even better than the Clippers when healthy. I would rather be okay with sucking another year or 2 and keep the youth movement going. Even Len, despite what people say here, is one of the best rim protectors for his age and a good rebounder. He is showing he can be the type of role playing big that can thrive with the other guys on our team, even if he never develops offensively to the level his raw skill set would hope.

[Qwigglez]

Are the Wizards going to match a max offer for Otto Porter? I'd love to get him, not sure he is worth a max, but I expect him to get that kind of money.

[MrMiyagi]

I still think we are largely fine as a franchise. I say use our draft pick and don't make any trades except to get rid of Knight and maybe PJ Tucker to free up time for Ulis, Bender, and whoever we draft.

Everyone is pining for a moonshot trade to vault us into the playoffs when we have a shot to build a long, enduring run of success. Do I believe that any one of Bender, TJ, or our 1st rounder will be better than Boogie? No. But I do think those three will collectively be better than Boogie. Especially when you have to consider the current NBA landscape. Does the Kentucky 3B stack up against Golden State next season? The next 3 seasons?

Our window isn't now. Booker is 20. 20! Chriss and Bender are 19. Ulis is 21. Len and Warren are 23. Old man Bledsoe is 27. I honestly think if we hold course, keep our draft pick and keep the guys, except the two I already mentioned (PJ can stay if we take Fultz or Ball or Smith, but go if we get Jackson), together we'll be starting a long run of playoff appearances in 2019 (Actually, I think we could make it next season - we've lost 9 games by 5 points or less. If we win those 9, we're sitting in the 8th seed). And Bledsoe is a big reason I think we're not that far away. As much as I love Lonzo Ball, I believe Bledsoe will get us into the playoffs faster and therefore will help Booker, Chriss, Bender, Len, Ulis, Warren, and the rook develop even further so we're contenders by the time Booker is 25.

I know some of you might be old farts and can't wait that long, but I'd rather take a sustained playoff as contenders after the Golden State reign ends.

[Qwigglez]

Would you guys be mad if we did a three team trade where the Suns landed Lamarcus Aldridge and only gave up small pieces (Knight/LB, 2018 Miami 1st)?

[Saberestar]

I know some of you might be old farts and can't wait that long, but I'd rather take a sustained playoff as contenders after the Golden State reign ends.

I would be OK if we were rebuilding for only one or two seasons...but this is our fourth consecutive year rebuilding (and do not tell me about that 48W season because we were not even a playoff team) and seven...yes, SEVEN years without playoffs.

We have been terrible for a few years at everything, our franchise has lost a lot of respect around the league. Enough is enough.

Bledsoe is a good player...but there are so many good PGs in the league that makes him an average player. Holiday, Reggie Jackson, Lowry, Dragic....he is on that tier.

I prefer to grab another PG next season (Fultz or Ball) and trade Bledsoe for a rim protector (PF or C).

I just want to end this season. Disgusting.

[King4Day]

Would you guys be mad if we did a three team trade where the Suns landed Lamarcus Aldridge and only gave up small pieces (Knight/LB, 2018 Miami 1st)?

Reasonable offer (from our perspective at least) but that ship has sailed IMO. He's too old and won't help us, whereas, if we landed Cousins, he's 26 and barely in his prime.

[BobbieL]

Would you guys be mad if we did a three team trade where the Suns landed Lamarcus Aldridge and only gave up small pieces (Knight/LB, 2018 Miami 1st)?

Reasonable offer (from our perspective at least) but that ship has sailed IMO. He's too old and won't help us, whereas, if we landed Cousins, he's 26 and barely in his prime.

Boogie is only 26 - that's not old

I like the plan above. Get the top 3 pick to trade for Cousins with Len
see if you can move Knight and Tucker at the deadline for more assets, any assets
Take on Ezeli today - I mean today and get another first rounder from the Blazers - even if its the Cavs last first rounder
Boogie, Bledsoe and Booker would be your core

[carey]

I would be OK if we were rebuilding for only one or two seasons...but this is our fourth consecutive year rebuilding (and do not tell me about that 48W season because we were not even.

If we trade Eric in the next 9 days then we won't reach the playoffs until the '19-'20 season where we'll be on the verge of missing them for a decade straight. You saw how bad this team was without Bledsoe when we played Houston last week. If we move him for future assets and draft Fultz or Ball we'll be going the OKC route. Even with Durant and Westbrook it took them 2 years to get to the playoffs (plus landing Harden.) That's almost 10 years of awful basketball. Let's just say I'm not filled with optimism about our future at the moment.

[BobbieL]

I would be OK if we were rebuilding for only one or two seasons...but this is our fourth consecutive year rebuilding (and do not tell me about that 48W season because we were not even.

If we trade Eric in the next 9 days then we won't reach the playoffs until the '19-'20 season where we'll be on the verge of missing them for a decade straight. You saw how bad this team was without Bledsoe when we played Houston last week. If we move him for future assets and draft Fultz or Ball we'll be going the OKC route. Even with Durant and Westbrook it took them 2 years to get to the playoffs (plus landing Harden.) That's almost 10 years of awful basketball. Let's just say I'm not filled with optimism about our future at the moment.

this would be my plan to win
1) call the Blazers take on the Ezeli contract as the Suns need some $$ to meet the floor and though this would push them over, they get the Cavs first rounder .
2) trade Tucker and get back another asset for a future trade or your team. Toronto has a lot of young guys.
3) if there is a market for Knight, trade him - just offload the salary. not sure there is a maret
4) Tyson is tricky - but see what market is out there; his value is never higher. He would have value backing up Boogie but that's a lot of money at your 5 if you keep him

so in the four deals above you have accumulated more assets for the summer trade
5) keep calling Sac town and see what it will take: Len, Warren, the top 3 pick, and another asset

People talk about Fultz or Ball - the Suns have guards. They need somebody in the front score that can scare somebody. Forget building, go for winning

[WeekapaugGroove]

Been thinking about this since yesterday. Say the suns win the lotto and have the 1st pick would i trade it as the main piece in a boogie deal. Its a tough decision imo. I guess i would do it IF he agreed to sign an extension next summer. Without that its a complete nonstarter for me. None of this 'ill probably resign but want to see how the season goes' stuff. And i dont think thats a given because once hes traded he loses some money on the extension per the new cba because while the suns would be able to give him an extra year and higher raises its still not the super max you get by signing with the team that drafts you or aquires you on your rookie deal. Its a wrinkle in the cba some people are overlooking. Its part of the reason i still dont actually think he gets moved.

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