2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

Post #501 » by **bondom34** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:25 pm

Knrstz wrote:
Andre Roberstan wrote:

Read on Twitter

Presti is a mad genius

Elaborate please

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Compare what OKC gave to what Toronto gave. Ross stinks and it went from 11 to a late first.

Post #502 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:18 pm

bondom34 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:
Andre Roberstan wrote:

Read on Twitter

Presti is a mad genius

Elaborate please

Sent from my iPhone using RealGM mobile app

Compare what OKC gave to what Toronto gave. Ross stinks and it went from 11 to a late first.

For some reason the tweet didn't show up on my phone, RealGM app. Yea I agree that we won that trade. I'm ok with moving Vic and Sabonis but imagine how hosed we would be if we didn't have either or them.

NetsWorld · Post #503 » by **NetsWorld** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:51 pm

Three things to take away from the Ibaka trade. 1. Presti is smart and saw what no one else saw coming in regards to Ibaka 2. Toronto made this trade so they can compete in the East against Cleveland and Boston and 3. Orlando makes out better based on the fact the pick is included from this year's draft.

Post #504 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:37 pm

I think it's important for a GM to be level headed. The last thing you can do is be reactionary. When you watch this team, I think the weaknesses are obvious and consistent. Last night was maybe our worst performance this season, but not by much. We've had games like last night on multiple occasions-Memphis, Portland, Utah, GS x 3, Chicago and I'm sure there are more. The one thing that gives me hope is that GMs obviously value players differently than we as fans do. Nine days left until we know one way or the other.

Pillendreher · Post #505 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:57 pm

Knrstz wrote:Nine days left until we know one way or the other.

I predict Robes and Payne getting dumped for a TPE and trash.

spearsy23 · Post #506 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:03 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
Knrstz wrote:Nine days left until we know one way or the other.

I predict Robes and Payne getting dumped for a TPE and trash.

Robes maybe, there's no upside to dumping cam right now though. Unless by trash you mean another player like grant that presti is infatuated with, then there's a solid chance.

Post #507 » by **bondom34** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:05 pm

I really think Kanter being hurt might have meant the difference between moving him and not.

I trust Presti to do something good, and hope he does, but man that injury hurts in more ways than 1.

SvenniSterki · Post #508 » by **SvenniSterki** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:09 pm

Actually Ive been having discussion with couple of friends to try and make realistic trades that are good for OKC in Westbrooks prime. It is really hard to find one that makes sense . The team has close to zero flexibility and the podcasts that I have listened to lately are saying that a contract averaging around 12M a year is probably Roberson market value, so they need to make a decision here. If he is signed to a longterm contract we will get stuck in a deja-vu twilight zone next season..... unless ofcourse some teams are desperate to trade for Roberson/Kanter/Oladipo and offer something that Presti cant say no to.

Unless I am missing something and a playoffs contending team really needs Roberson now and is willing to pay for him.

Post #509 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:23 pm

Robes and Kanter are just one dimensional players and it kills us. There aren't many one on one trades that help us. I think our best hope is to pair either Abrines/Sabonis with Roberson/Payne to get something. Before the season, our two most likely trade pieces broke their foot and arm. That's really crappy luck. More like stupid in Kanters case.

spearsy23 · Post #510 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:23 pm

Knrstz wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:
Well that sucks. I'm just curious why Presti gave Vic a contact that high. He was brought in to be a sixth man. Did he really think he could be more than that? Two of our highest four players are essentially bench players. Obviously KD messed things up but why did Prest think Vic neeeded to be signed to an extension during that time? I don't think the Adams deal hurts near as badly since they obviously aren't trading him.

Why are people so obsessed with who starts the game? Vic was brought in to play starter minutes while coming off the bench to maximize his touches.

Obsessed? Lol not really. Vic is overpaid for what we're getting. He wasn't expected nor is he capable of being number two option. A sixth man can play extended minutes. That's all I'm saying. We have Russ and two guys that should be about the fourth best option on a really good team. One of those guys, Adams, is unlikely to be traded according to Royce Young. Based upon the intent of this thread, I'm interested in any move that can make us better.

He's not overpaid at all, this is what a solid starter costs in today's NBA. The problem is that we locked in two solid starters to big contracts without having a second star, any semblance of a bench, or a long term answer at the starting SF spot. In a vacuum Steven and Vic's contracts are great, for us they might not be.

Post #511 » by **bondom34** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:28 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:Why are people so obsessed with who starts the game? Vic was brought in to play starter minutes while coming off the bench to maximize his touches.

Obsessed? Lol not really. Vic is overpaid for what we're getting. He wasn't expected nor is he capable of being number two option. A sixth man can play extended minutes. That's all I'm saying. We have Russ and two guys that should be about the fourth best option on a really good team. One of those guys, Adams, is unlikely to be traded according to Royce Young. Based upon the intent of this thread, I'm interested in any move that can make us better.

He's not overpaid at all, this is what a solid starter costs in today's NBA. The problem is that we locked in two solid starters to big contracts without having a second star, any semblance of a bench, or a long term answer at the starting SF spot. In a vacuum Steven and Vic's contracts are great, for us they might not be.

Yeah I think after this summer people are going to see the money handed out for comparison. Ideally Kanter and/or Vic can be moved for some better fitting parts but neither (esp Vic) are bad contracts. I hated Kanter's for the longest time but don't think his is bad either.

Pillendreher · Post #512 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:41 pm

bondom34 wrote:I really think Kanter being hurt might have meant the difference between moving him and not.

Why? This isn't a long term thing. It shouldn't reduce his value. What are other GMs gonna argue? 'He'll play fewer games this season'?

Post #513 » by **bondom34** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:45 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:I really think Kanter being hurt might have meant the difference between moving him and not.

Why? This isn't a long term thing. It shouldn't reduce his value. What are other GMs gonna argue? 'He'll play fewer games this season'?

They're trading for a guy who can't help the first month he's on the team.

Pillendreher · Post #514 » by **Pillendreher** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:03 pm

bondom34 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:I really think Kanter being hurt might have meant the difference between moving him and not.

Why? This isn't a long term thing. It shouldn't reduce his value. What are other GMs gonna argue? 'He'll play fewer games this season'?

They're trading for a guy who can't help the first month he's on the team.

I doubt a team trying to make a push would trade for a guy like Kanter.

Post #515 » by **bondom34** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:05 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:
Why? This isn't a long term thing. It shouldn't reduce his value. What are other GMs gonna argue? 'He'll play fewer games this season'?

They're trading for a guy who can't help the first month he's on the team.

I doubt a team trying to make a push would trade for a guy like Kanter.

I think the Bulls, NOLA, or even Washington could have considered. Not sure what direction 2 of them are going.

SvenniSterki · Post #516 » by **SvenniSterki** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:07 pm

Before the league was lacking in big men who could play. Thats why Portland bid on Kanter and thats why OKC matched. But if you look at contending teams, which one would you say is likely to push for Kanter? If you found one, then what could they possibly offer OKC that is valuable to them?

Because of Kanters upside (in hope he hasnt reached his peak neither offensively or defensiveley) I think OKC is stuck where they need to re-sign him or get less value back for him.

Post #517 » by **bondom34** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:09 pm

SvenniSterki wrote:Before the league was lacking in big men who could play. Thats why Portland bid on Kanter and thats why OKC matched. But if you look at contending teams, which one would you say is likely to push for Kanter? If you found one, then what could they possibly offer OKC that is valuable to them?

Because of Kanters upside (in hope he hasnt reached his peak neither offensively or defensiveley) I think OKC is stuck where they need to re-sign him or get less value back for him.

Contending teams wouldn't trade good players away to begin with, after I think about it. Gotta look elsewhere.

Osirus89 · Post #518 » by **Osirus89** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:35 pm

I'm kinda down on Victor right now, but that Magic trade still looks bad. Hennigan should start looking for what he is going to do after he gets canned.
I think Kanter actually might have more value than people think. I don't think him being hurt would be too much of a deterrent if he went to a team that wasn't trying to make the playoffs anyway. What team would be out of the playoffs that would want Kanter.... I can assure you I don't know. However, if there was a team like that, him being out for a while wouldn't affect his value because they wouldn't want to compromise their draft pick anyway. I actually don't think Kanter has much value to a team that is good already. A team out of contention that just needs scoring would be a better match for his skillset.

Oh and I agree on the point about it not making much sense to send Payne out with his value being so low. If some team REALLY likes him and is willing to send a wing back, thats fine. But trading him to Sacramento for someone like Ben McLemore..ugh. Roberson and Morrow/Abrines for Chandler is a valid trade as far a trade machine is concerned. Don't know if Denver would go for it though.

spearsy23 · Post #519 » by **spearsy23** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:59 pm

Pillendreher wrote:
bondom34 wrote:I really think Kanter being hurt might have meant the difference between moving him and not.

Why? This isn't a long term thing. It shouldn't reduce his value. What are other GMs gonna argue? 'He'll play fewer games this season'?

It definitely lowers the pool of interested teams at the very least

Post #520 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:01 am

I don't believe Denver is in a win now mode. I think they are interested in building around Jokic. I'm sure they would love to make the playoffs this year, but I don't think they are against trading for guys like Abrines and Sabonis. Gallinari is a good fit because he's a better three point shooter than Chandler. Chandler is about 3milion cheaper. I think our trade options break down as follows:

Untouchable (per Royce young)
Westbrook
Adams
Collison

Untradeable until offseason
Adams (assuming young is wrong)
Kanter
Oladipo

Tradeable w/ value
Abrines
Sabonis

Tradeable with little to no value
Payne
Semaj
Singler

I feel like Grant, Lauvergne and Roberson probably fall into the final group. So basically we are left with moving young pieces that could come back to bite us-Abrines and Sabonis. Or we hope the final group of guys are able to be moved for a miracle trade like the Orlando one last summer.