Source: Bulls seeking 1st rounder for Doug or Lopez

[bullslas]

Do you know how to read numbers?

Felicio TS%: .584
Lopez TS%: .511

Felicio eFG%: .553
Lopez eFG%: .495

Felicio is much more efficient.

Felicio's offense is just putbacks and dunks... of course it's going to be higher because he has nothing but those. Out of 152 shot attempts 108 of those have been at the rim. So in all actuality, those numbers aren't great for the shots he's taking.

Well, putbacks and dunks are, y'know, efficient smart shots. When discussing a player's efficiency, you don't ding them for taking high percentage shots. High percentage shots are good!

Now, you may say that RoLo has a functional jumper and Felicio does not, and sure, that'd be correct, but that's now having a different discussion than efficiency.

Felicio is a very very bad version of Noah. He will be a fine backup, but he is not better than Lopez today. Let's not fall in love wih our guys again.

[AirP.]

Do you know how to read numbers?

Felicio TS%: .584
Lopez TS%: .511

Felicio eFG%: .553
Lopez eFG%: .495

Felicio is much more efficient.

Felicio's offense is just putbacks and dunks... of course it's going to be higher because he has nothing but those. Out of 152 shot attempts 108 of those have been at the rim. So in all actuality, those numbers aren't great for the shots he's taking.

Well, putbacks and dunks are, y'know, efficient smart shots. When discussing a player's efficiency, you don't ding them for taking high percentage shots. High percentage shots are good!

Now, you may say that RoLo has a functional jumper and Felicio does not, and sure, that'd be correct, but that's now having a different discussion than efficiency.

It's like saying I'm better at guessing when I only guess between 2 different options while someone else is guessing between 4 different options but both are categorized as guesses with small amounts.

Also... people seem to forget that the data isn't quite the same, Lopez plays mainly against better players with the starters then Falicio does in his limited time off the bench.

[jnrjr79]

Felicio's offense is just putbacks and dunks... of course it's going to be higher because he has nothing but those. Out of 152 shot attempts 108 of those have been at the rim. So in all actuality, those numbers aren't great for the shots he's taking.

Well, putbacks and dunks are, y'know, efficient smart shots. When discussing a player's efficiency, you don't ding them for taking high percentage shots. High percentage shots are good!

Now, you may say that RoLo has a functional jumper and Felicio does not, and sure, that'd be correct, but that's now having a different discussion than efficiency.

Felicio is a very very bad version of Noah. He will be a fine backup, but he is not better than Lopez today. Let's not fall in love wih our guys again.

Ok, great, but my post was not about falling in love with guys or even Felicio's general quality as a player. I was just making the limited point that you shouldn't knock Felicio's efficiency compared to RoLo's because Felicio takes more efficient shots. That's kind of the point.

[bullslas]

Well, putbacks and dunks are, y'know, efficient smart shots. When discussing a player's efficiency, you don't ding them for taking high percentage shots. High percentage shots are good!

Now, you may say that RoLo has a functional jumper and Felicio does not, and sure, that'd be correct, but that's now having a different discussion than efficiency.

Felicio is a very very bad version of Noah. He will be a fine backup, but he is not better than Lopez today. Let's not fall in love wih our guys again.

Ok, great, but my post was not about falling in love with guys or even Felicio's general quality as a player. I was just making the limited point that you shouldn't knock Felicio's efficiency compared to RoLo's because Felicio takes more efficient shots. That's kind of the point.

This effiecient stuff is so overrated. I can play in the NBA and shoot 1 layup a game and be efficient. Point is, no one is guarding Felicio. He's a nice athletic big and does some nice things on the court. Very solid player, but lets not act he's some great efficient player. You need to take more than 3 shots a game.

[SfBull]

Felicio's offense is just putbacks and dunks... of course it's going to be higher because he has nothing but those. Out of 152 shot attempts 108 of those have been at the rim. So in all actuality, those numbers aren't great for the shots he's taking.

Well, putbacks and dunks are, y'know, efficient smart shots. When discussing a player's efficiency, you don't ding them for taking high percentage shots. High percentage shots are good!

Now, you may say that RoLo has a functional jumper and Felicio does not, and sure, that'd be correct, but that's now having a different discussion than efficiency.

It's like saying I'm better at guessing when I only guess between 2 different options while someone else is guessing between 4 different options but both are categorized as guesses with small amounts.

Also... people seem to forget that the data isn't quite the same, Lopez plays mainly against better players with the starters then Falicio does in his limited time off the bench.

That's why we can't compare them just by their numbers.

[Flopper]

Felicio is a very very bad version of Noah. He will be a fine backup, but he is not better than Lopez today. Let's not fall in love wih our guys again.

Ok, great, but my post was not about falling in love with guys or even Felicio's general quality as a player. I was just making the limited point that you shouldn't knock Felicio's efficiency compared to RoLo's because Felicio takes more efficient shots. That's kind of the point.

This effiecient stuff is so overrated. I can play in the NBA and shoot 1 layup a game and be efficient. Point is, no one is guarding Felicio. He's a nice athletic big and does some nice things on the court. Very solid player, but lets not act he's some great efficient player. You need to take more than 3 shots a game.

The reason he gets those easy looks is because he's big, somewhat explosive, and has a knack for rolling to the rim. If the Bulls could play like that with Lopez they would, but his niche is taking less efficient midrange shots and post-ups. The league has evolved to the point where role player centers who can rebound, are good all-around defensively (PnR, rim protection, close out on shooters) and function primarily as finishers on the offensive end are extremely valuable (e.g. Tristan Thompson, Clint Capela).

The problem with trying to play a guy like Lopez is that you're forced to use more offensive possessions on inefficient shot attempts due to his athletic limitations. Another issue is that he's awful at closing out on shooters. NBA play type stats show him as one of the worst defenders in the league at contesting spot-up attempts. The guy is a solid pro, but he just isn't that valuable based on the current construction of this team and the way the league is trending.

[League Circles]

He's better in my opinion because he looks better and most stats say that he is better. He's not a lot better I just think he's better. I think if Lopez weren't the older vet making a lot more money that felicio would already be starting. And I think the Bulls are definitely trying to hide him to minimize his free-agent value while maximizing Lopez his trade value which I also support as a strategy.

Well luckily Chicago's not in a playoff race where they could use such a good player. Hard to believe they didn't also do that to Zipster!

Such a smart FO for a large market team. I can see why they've made it to the Eastern Conference finals once in Paxson's tenure.

He plays. 18 mpg lately. Bulls are in the playoffs currently. If they start to fall out I think we'll see Felicio play more. Especially cause I think Lopez should and will be traded.

[DarthDiggler69]

I would think this trade happens before an okafor trade goes down, if any

[Bandit King]

This is good year to draft so get it while its hot

[kingkirk]

A team who plans to use cap space next season isn't taking on Lopez's deal next season for a first round pick. Need to stop mentioning Boston here. Ainge doesn't want Lopez.

[Ralphb07]

A team who plans to use cap space next season isn't taking on Lopez's deal next season for a first round pick. Need to stop mentioning Boston here. Ainge doesn't want Lopez.

Yeah Ainge would probably want Taj. The problem there is Ainge is hard to deal with and doesn't offer a 1st for him either. The ship could've sailed once Toronto got Ibaka which was a double whammy. It screwed up probably the best chance at getting a 1st for Taj and also took off a realistic FA to put around Jimmy... The Bulls need to just blow it up

[BoozerRoNo]

A team who plans to use cap space next season isn't taking on Lopez's deal next season for a first round pick. Need to stop mentioning Boston here. Ainge doesn't want Lopez.

Yeah Ainge would probably want Taj. The problem there is Ainge is hard to deal with and doesn't offer a 1st for him either. The ship could've sailed once Toronto got Ibaka which was a double whammy. It screwed up probably the best chance at getting a 1st for Taj and also took off a realistic FA to put around Jimmy... The Bulls need to just blow it up

The Bulls need to just trade D-Wade. I'd offer Wade and Portis for Okafor. Take it or leave it Philly. Try and trade Lopez for a first like it's rumored and try and trade it with Niko for KCP.

PG-KCP/Rondo
SG-Butler/Valentine
SF-MCW/Zipser
PF-Okafor/McDermott
C-Gibson/Felicio

[Ralphb07]

A team who plans to use cap space next season isn't taking on Lopez's deal next season for a first round pick. Need to stop mentioning Boston here. Ainge doesn't want Lopez.

Yeah Ainge would probably want Taj. The problem there is Ainge is hard to deal with and doesn't offer a 1st for him either. The ship could've sailed once Toronto got Ibaka which was a double whammy. It screwed up probably the best chance at getting a 1st for Taj and also took off a realistic FA to put around Jimmy... The Bulls need to just blow it up

The Bulls need to just trade D-Wade. I'd offer Wade and Portis for Okafor. Take it or leave it Philly. Try and trade Lopez for a first like it's rumored and try and trade it with Niko for KCP.

PG-KCP/Rondo
SG-Butler/Valentine
SF-MCW/Zipser
PF-Okafor/McDermott
C-Gibson/Felicio

Philadelphia would leave it. Niko isn't getting you KCP

[BoozerRoNo]

Yeah Ainge would probably want Taj. The problem there is Ainge is hard to deal with and doesn't offer a 1st for him either. The ship could've sailed once Toronto got Ibaka which was a double whammy. It screwed up probably the best chance at getting a 1st for Taj and also took off a realistic FA to put around Jimmy... The Bulls need to just blow it up

The Bulls need to just trade D-Wade. I'd offer Wade and Portis for Okafor. Take it or leave it Philly. Try and trade Lopez for a first like it's rumored and try and trade it with Niko for KCP.

PG-KCP/Rondo
SG-Butler/Valentine
SF-MCW/Zipser
PF-Okafor/McDermott
C-Gibson/Felicio

Philadelphia would leave it. Niko isn't getting you KCP

If they can't get a team to give them a first round pick I can see them doing this as they are trying to make the playoffs and might benefit having a veteran on that team or they can settle with having a disgruntled young player on the roster. E'twaun Moore and filler or D-Wade and filler if your Philly which package do you take? Bulls or Pelicans unless some mystery team is interested? After they pretty much told Okafor he's about to get traded they almost have to trade him.

Niko for KCP no but I said Niko and a first round pick (if we can get one from trading Lopez) it's a fair trade.

[MisterRoy]

Ugh. Wade will go to a team if his choosing if he gets traded, but he isnt getting traded. Both he and Jimmy will return next season.


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[Chi town]

Yeah Ainge would probably want Taj. The problem there is Ainge is hard to deal with and doesn't offer a 1st for him either. The ship could've sailed once Toronto got Ibaka which was a double whammy. It screwed up probably the best chance at getting a 1st for Taj and also took off a realistic FA to put around Jimmy... The Bulls need to just blow it up

The Bulls need to just trade D-Wade. I'd offer Wade and Portis for Okafor. Take it or leave it Philly. Try and trade Lopez for a first like it's rumored and try and trade it with Niko for KCP.

PG-KCP/Rondo
SG-Butler/Valentine
SF-MCW/Zipser
PF-Okafor/McDermott
C-Gibson/Felicio

Philadelphia would leave it. Niko isn't getting you KCP

BLOW. IT. UP.

GarPax overplayed thier hand on their FA's. The others GMs beat them and called their bluffs. Now Taj is worth nothing and RoLo and Dougie can't fetch 1sts. Selling low with little demand doesn't get you assets you want to have.

They horribly misspent their money in FA last year and have picked players that don't fit together in any sort of way.


FIRE GARPAX ASAP before they trade more assets for a player like Okafor. Tear it down and throw them out!

[GimmeDat]

lol, is Niko for KCP still a thing on this board... not a chance in hell that's happening.

I just want the Bulls to trade Butler at this stage. And that means you have to get what you can for Gibson, Lopez, Mirotic etc. And that means the Okafor deal going through with this FO, because trading our big men will mean the Bulls will have whats required for the trade they want to do all along (Okafor).

[bullslas]

Blowing it up is nonsense for the Bulls. Weak Eastern Conference with an aging Lebron. We have a star player in Jimmy and several assets to get better. We need a more competent front office. If you blow it up, do you really trust this front office?

[Dominator83]

Blowing it up is nonsense for the Bulls. Weak Eastern Conference with an aging Lebron. We have a star player in Jimmy and several assets to get better. We need a more competent front office. If you blow it up, do you really trust this front office?

What are these several assets to get better? We don't have any high picks, we don't have a prayer at getting another stud in free agency, and no other teams are going to trade us anything worth a damn for our garbage.

The cupboard is absolutely bare. And as another poster here mentioned, we are probably 2nd from the bottom in the league in terms of trade currency/assets only behind Brooklyn (assuming we want to ADD to Butler and not deal him)

[GimmeDat]

Blowing it up is nonsense for the Bulls. Weak Eastern Conference with an aging Lebron. We have a star player in Jimmy and several assets to get better. We need a more competent front office. If you blow it up, do you really trust this front office?

If you keep Butler, do you trust this FO? This FO sucks, there's no way around that.

Fact is, even in this so called weak conference, we're struggling to even stay in the playoff picture. Plus, on the LeBron point, you rebuild and there won't just be an older LBJ, there won't be one.