The Trade Thread II

[thelead]

Vuc has to be next. We better get a better package for him.

[Cammo101]

Next move is the real exciting one. Jeff Green's expiring 15m is a valuable chip. It could allow us to attach to a young, low $$$ player and bring back someone from a team looking to shed salary. I don't think cap space is a significant asset for the Magic for a couple years (not a draw), so spend the money if opportunity presents, grab draft picks and prospects...I HOPE this means AG to the 4, Green to the bench, EP pushing the ball...

name the last time an expiring really got something nice back? with the rising salary cap, they dont have much value anymore

This is 100% true. The days of expirings being worth their weight in gold are long gone.

[OrlandoDream]

Vuc has to be next. We better get a better package for him.

He isnt going anywhere this season. I can see a draft day trade when we go full rebuild and trade our way up but not before then.

[Bensational]

Hennigan letting the league know he's ready to deal by making this move so early in the lead up to the deadline.

He's also probably doing a proper job of the tank and made this move in response to the Win yesterday.

Vuc and/or Fournier could be next. Not a guarantee, but possible. Fournier has been getting some serious showcasing lately as a #1 option.

[magicfan4life88]

told yal with Zimmerman getting called up a move was coming, hes going to get pt to help the tank and to develop him as well, I'm just talking crap but we shall see, lol

[OrlandoDream]

Only way I trade Fournier and Vuc is on draft day. Keep showcasing them for the rest of the year and package them draft day for us to get two picks in the top 5. Now that would be a dream scenario for the next rebuild. I also belive that EPs days as a Magic are outnumbered. I think he is goner too

[Shady Franchise]

I would like to get Harris from Denver somehow. Harris, alongside the 2017 1st we have would be a nice PG/SG combo next season.

[Skybox]

Next move is the real exciting one. Jeff Green's expiring 15m is a valuable chip. It could allow us to attach to a young, low $$$ player and bring back someone from a team looking to shed salary. I don't think cap space is a significant asset for the Magic for a couple years (not a draw), so spend the money if opportunity presents, grab draft picks and prospects...I HOPE this means AG to the 4, Green to the bench, EP pushing the ball...

name the last time an expiring really got something nice back? with the rising salary cap, they dont have much value anymore

This is 100% true. The days of expirings being worth their weight in gold are long gone.

You may be right - my understanding is that even with the cap jumping one more time, there are still teams over the projected cap due to wild spending sprees (like Portland, don't know who else). Generally speaking, an expiring for so much $$ gives flexibility for bigger trades (if other team wants to shed desperately). Isn't that how Philly collected all of those picks by playing 3rd wheel in trades? I definitely could be overestimating value, but (1)No free agents coming for a while anyway (2)why on earth did we pay Green 15k? I assumed there was an understanding that he could be a chip at some point and we had the money.

[Xatticus]

Next move is the real exciting one. Jeff Green's expiring 15m is a valuable chip. It could allow us to attach to a young, low $$$ player and bring back someone from a team looking to shed salary. I don't think cap space is a significant asset for the Magic for a couple years (not a draw), so spend the money if opportunity presents, grab draft picks and prospects...I HOPE this means AG to the 4, Green to the bench, EP pushing the ball...

name the last time an expiring really got something nice back? with the rising salary cap, they dont have much value anymore

Perhaps Portland would be willing to part with something for his expiring. They have 14 players with contracts for next season and are already above the luxury tax threshold. They also have those three first-round picks. We'd have to eat an ugly contract to get anything though.

[Instincts]

Only way I trade Fournier and Vuc is on draft day. Keep showcasing them for the rest of the year and package them draft day for us to get two picks in the top 5. Now that would be a dream scenario for the next rebuild. I also belive that EPs days as a Magic are outnumbered. I think he is goner too

If you are set on trading both, why wait until the draft? Would we receive more value pre draft or from teams trying to make playoffs push? Not quite sure. We do have the luxury of being patient finding future deals, but keeping both players could only increase our win total thus reducing our draft pick value.

Look for a good deal and take it whenever opportunity presents itself, I would lean towards sooner rather than later, but wait on a quality deal.

[Skybox]

Perhaps we choke back Meyers Leonard for Green and swap their pick for the Toronto pick? Ezeli would be great as he's only guaranteed $1m next year, but, as I understand it, they will pay to move him to free them for more immediate moves. Heck, I'd eat both to swap picks (if that's even remotely valuable to them).

[Patrick1978]

Fournier for gary harris

[Patrick1978]

Fournier for gary harris

[Cammo101]

I'd be really surprised if we moved Fournier. Vuc could be on the move though.

[Bensational]

Next move is the real exciting one. Jeff Green's expiring 15m is a valuable chip. It could allow us to attach to a young, low $$$ player and bring back someone from a team looking to shed salary. I don't think cap space is a significant asset for the Magic for a couple years (not a draw), so spend the money if opportunity presents, grab draft picks and prospects...I HOPE this means AG to the 4, Green to the bench, EP pushing the ball...

name the last time an expiring really got something nice back? with the rising salary cap, they dont have much value anymore

Perhaps Portland would be willing to part with something for his expiring. They have 14 players with contracts for next season and are already above the luxury tax threshold. They also have those three first-round picks. We'd have to eat an ugly contract to get anything though.

Portland have a couple of good value guys in Aminu and Davis who I wouldn't mind as affordable hustle role players for a few years whilst we develop other players.

I'd offer them Vuc + Green for Aminu + Davis + Turner/Leonard (their choice) + their 2017 1st, then a 2nd deal of Wilcox for Nurkic.

Basically they'd be trading for a more ready now version of Nurkic, and cap relief.

We'd get a slightly younger and RFA version of Vuc in Nurkic, plus a draft pick, plus affordable contracts. Sure we'd eat a bloated contract but we can afford to do that whilst we rebuild.

[PrimeThyme]

I don't need any value at all back for green. I'd trade him for a second rounder or buy him out. I think he could be an end of bench guy on a contender. He has to be off this team by the deadline though. The only thing he does now is take minutes and development from our young guys. He has to go.

[rcklsscognition]

If Hennigan's history of churning assets looking for other gems comes true again, EP and Vuc are next up on the chopping block. I'll give AG 30 games at PF before he's on the hot seat this summer too though.

[Viper1500]

I don't see Vucevic being traded. I'd trade Green for an expiring+2nd round pick though to someone looking to add some depth. Same goes for Watson


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[Melvinlocker]

Have you noticed that he has 1spg and 1.8bpg in 20mpg as well?

Also, everyone is clamoring about Norman Powell or Sam Dekker, but they're in practically the same boat as far as volume stats go (for what its worth, I like both of them).

The thing about Bebe is that he is also an elite finisher in the minutes he's played. Over 70% on 2P attempts and 65% on free throws. I get a poor mans Tyson Chandler vibe from him. No matter what, I think it's clear that he is a rotational player on a good team. Just get him a shot creator at the PG and we're good to go.

BB was a rotational player on a good team too.

I actually believe in Biyombo's ability, but we need some serious shot creators and spacing to take advantage of his skill set.

[Skin]

Next move is the real exciting one. Jeff Green's expiring 15m is a valuable chip. It could allow us to attach to a young, low $$$ player and bring back someone from a team looking to shed salary. I don't think cap space is a significant asset for the Magic for a couple years (not a draw), so spend the money if opportunity presents, grab draft picks and prospects...I HOPE this means AG to the 4, Green to the bench, EP pushing the ball...

name the last time an expiring really got something nice back? with the rising salary cap, they dont have much value anymore

This is 100% true. The days of expirings being worth their weight in gold are long gone.

Long gone? naaa... The cycle will eventually repeat as teams find themselves dishing out contracts they wish they didn't.

I'm sure some teams are already facing that based on last summer. Certainly we have some of our own fans that wish we could get an expiring for Biyombo.