Political Roundtable Part XII

[dckingsfan]

The Red Line thing was horrific.

It is Obama's Rwanda - closing in on a 1/2 million death mistake.

[gtn130]

Actually I'm assuming that if there is financial liability, Trump would be even more careful not to make a sudden and easily discoverable move that would get him imprisoned for the rest of his life.

one small thing you're forgetting in your calculus is that Trump is a full blown moron and isn't going to make game theory optimal decisions at every turn

[gtn130]

The Red Line thing was horrific.

It is Obama's Rwanda - closing in on a 1/2 million death mistake.

It's just as much the rest of the world's Rwanda as it is Obama's.

Obama's foreign policy position has been extremely consistent from the beginning - the US is not going to shoulder the load anymore while the entire EU sits on the sideline. Status quo has been that the US will come in and clean up the mess, and nobody else has to do their part. Obama pushed back hard against the Washington foreign policy establishment on this broad issue, and Trump supporters should love it because he PUT HIS FOOT DOWN AND NEGOTIATED A BETTER DEAL

[AFM]

We all Russians now baby!! Embrace it. I'm gonna get myself a nice Russian wife and shoot AK47s with her

[closg00]

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Yep. Totally. Good stuff.

Wikileaks isn't partisan at all.

Little known fact about me is that I, gtn130, in fact side with them over the intelligence community.

Oh-boy, that should put to rest any doubt but that Wikileaks is totally Putin owned.


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[Wizardspride]

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Yep. Totally. Good stuff.

Wikileaks isn't partisan at all.

Little known fact about me is that I, gtn130, in fact side with them over the intelligence community.

Oh-boy, that should put to rest any doubt but that Wikileaks is totally Putin owned.


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It SHOULD....but it won't.

[closg00]

Republicans are in a lose-lose situation after the Flynn sacrifice. There needs to be thorough investigation/hearings on Flynn, Manafort, Page, and Tillerson Russian operation, and they must be PUBLIC to the greatest extent possible.


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[sfam]

Republicans are in a lose-lose situation after the Flynn sacrifice. There needs to be thorough investigation/hearings on Flynn, Manafort, Page, and Tillerson Russian operation, and they must be PUBLIC to the greatest extent possible.


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I might include Trump's connections in that as well.

And really, congress needs to pass a law to force final Presidential candidates to release like the last 7 years of their tax returns.

[sfam]

The Red Line thing was horrific.

It is Obama's Rwanda - closing in on a 1/2 million death mistake.

In his defense, there was not a clearly agreed upon better answer other than sending more American troops into the MENA region without congressional authorization. That at a minimum would have been required for meeting R2P requirements.

[closg00]

Republicans are in a lose-lose situation after the Flynn sacrifice. There needs to be thorough investigation/hearings on Flynn, Manafort, Page, and Tillerson Russian operation, and they must be PUBLIC to the greatest extent possible.


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I might include Trump's connections in that as well.

And really, congress needs to pass a law to force final Presidential candidates to release like the last 7 years of their tax returns.

FLynn is a good soldier who was in Trumps inner-circle early, he isn't going to make random phone calls to foreign powers w/o direction from Trump. Why was Flynn telling the Russians that the sanctions would be lifted in a Trump administration? How did he know this would be Trumps position?

[dckingsfan]

The Red Line thing was horrific.

It is Obama's Rwanda - closing in on a 1/2 million death mistake.

In his defense, there was not a clearly agreed upon better answer other than sending more American troops into the MENA region without congressional authorization. That at a minimum would have been required for meeting R2P requirements.

But then you don't give the Syrian coalition political, logistic and military support... you don't train nearly 10,000 rebel fighters at a cost of $1 billion a year since 2012 (wiki).

You don't go in half-way. Obama screwed that one up and it has been destabilizing for Europe and cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

I know he was in a bad position politically - he was trying to get us out of the region - but halfway never works.

[TGW]

Ughhhh....the WH is such a damn mess right now.

[bealwithit]

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I still don't think that Flynn committed any type of crime by talking to Russia before the Inauguration. ....

Can you explain a bit more what you mean, nate? What crime that he's been accused of are you suggesting that, no, he did not commit?

Or, more generally, do you simply mean that this doesn't seem like such a big deal to you?

[verbal8]

Actually I'm assuming that if there is financial liability, Trump would be even more careful not to make a sudden and easily discoverable move that would get him imprisoned for the rest of his life.

What evidence is there that Trump is careful?

[payitforward]

It doesn't look good. From afar, it looks like Flynn was actively working against the Russian Sanctions that the Obama Administration had put forward against Russia. It may be why Russia didn't follow suit and respond with their own sanctions afterwards.

Gee. Ya think?

It is illegal to work against what the current presidency so I have to disagree that it doesn't look good for Trump administration if he knew what Flynn was talking about.

But yeah Flynn looks pretty incompetent especially since it is well known that conversations are recorded by the intelligence community.

The timing of the firing of the acting attorney general also does not look good for the Trump. She had inadvertantly told Trump in a letter that Flynn had been compromised by the Russians a few days before she was let go. Ultimately, the press might have re-evaluate the reasons on why she was fired.

In this part of the world, the boss is responsible for the actions of the people he hires. & if he fires people because they tell him the truth -- especially a truth he already knows -- he is all the more culpable.

[payitforward]

...No one wanted to f&k with Reagan. But they were happy to do so with Carter. Why? They weren't sure of the response they would get from Reagan.

Obama was a bit of the same way. Opponents didn't need to worry that he might escalate a situation. If there was risk, he was happy to sit on the sidelines.

Could you support any of those claims empirically, please?

"No one wanted to f&k with Reagan" -- evidence? Would Nicaragua offer some evidence? Or are you relying on our stirring defeat of those pesky Granadians?

"They were happy to do so with Carter" -- evidence? Is the evidence the Iranian hostage crisis? Because, if so, this assumes the Iranian Atollah was familiar with American politicians. Except, nah, he wasn't.

"Obama.... Opponents didn't need to worry that he might escalate a situation." -- evidence? That he didn't get us into a war with Syria ala Afghanistan or Iraq? If not that, then do tell if you please.

[closg00]

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Say hello to President Pence, Trump and his inner circle are going down.

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Right about now, I'm expecting nate to check in with some gruesome hate video. Mexicans torturing lawns by spraying them with boiling water. Something like that. You know -- to get the focus off of his hero Donald Trump, the guy who is going to "put the US on a better footing on the world stage."

That quote is from memory -- I don't want to misquote, so I'd better ask nate to be sure, huh?

nate -- is that what you wrote? That President Donald Trump was going to "put the US on a better footing on the world stage"?

Oh, and didn't you also write that you were going to "judge him on his results"?

So, on his "results" so far, what do you say? Thumbs up or down? Would you say that so far he has "put the US on a better footing on the world stage"?

If it's discovered that he directed Flynn to discuss Obama's sanctions w/ Russa, would you support impeaching him?

No? How about if it had been discovered a month into Obama's first term that he had done the equivalent while President Elect, with Bush still the President of the United States? Impeach his (less intelligent than a white man's) black ass?

[JWizmentality]

Woooo. I know I said I'd stay away but I gotta enjoy this wreck. Burn baby baby!!

And how about Conway...dis b*tch looks terrible. Like she's about about to have a nervous breakdown any moment. And I have no sympathy for her.

And yes PIF, it is about time for nate to post an oppressed white person story.

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