Source: Bulls seeking 1st rounder for Doug or Lopez

[bullslas]

Blowing it up is nonsense for the Bulls. Weak Eastern Conference with an aging Lebron. We have a star player in Jimmy and several assets to get better. We need a more competent front office. If you blow it up, do you really trust this front office?

If you keep Butler, do you trust this FO? This FO sucks, there's no way around that.

Fact is, even in this so called weak conference, we're struggling to even stay in the playoff picture. Plus, on the LeBron point, you rebuild and there won't just be an older LBJ, there won't be one.

I think this front office with no playoff appearance this year is out the door. The last thing I want them to do is trade Butler. That will give them 5 more years at least. Then in 5 years it will be worse than today with no hope.

As far as assets, we have plenty, Lopez, Taj, Doug, Val, Sac pick, our pick and salary cap space. This year is a wash, but if we can get some new players and see how they fit, that will help us in free agency.

[vxmike]

Blowing it up is nonsense for the Bulls. Weak Eastern Conference with an aging Lebron. We have a star player in Jimmy and several assets to get better. We need a more competent front office. If you blow it up, do you really trust this front office?

LOL @ aging Lebron

Cavs are Finals locks for probably 4-5 years assuming TT/Love/Lebron/Kyrie don't suffer a career altering injury.

[GimmeDat]

So Ibaka to Toronto means no Taj to Toronto, but Toronto are left with no back up SF.

Enter Doug to Toronto for a pick. Makes sense and FWIW Doug's had impressive performances against Toronto which might give them a little bias towards Doug.

[Proven_Winner]

So Ibaka to Toronto means no Taj to Toronto, but Toronto are left with no back up SF.

Enter Doug to Toronto for a pick. Makes sense and FWIW Doug's had impressive performances against Toronto which might give them a little bias towards Doug.

Any chance of Doug for Powell or is he untouchable?

[GimmeDat]

So Ibaka to Toronto means no Taj to Toronto, but Toronto are left with no back up SF.

Enter Doug to Toronto for a pick. Makes sense and FWIW Doug's had impressive performances against Toronto which might give them a little bias towards Doug.

Any chance of Doug for Powell or is he untouchable?

They absolutely love Powell. He was off limits for Ibaka, and now with Ross gone he's actually an integral part of the rotation.

I'd love him as well but I don't think we could get him for anything less than both our 1st's and then some.

[Proven_Winner]

So Ibaka to Toronto means no Taj to Toronto, but Toronto are left with no back up SF.

Enter Doug to Toronto for a pick. Makes sense and FWIW Doug's had impressive performances against Toronto which might give them a little bias towards Doug.

Any chance of Doug for Powell or is he untouchable?

They absolutely love Powell. He was off limits for Ibaka, and now with Ross gone he's actually an integral part of the rotation.

I'd love him as well but I don't think we could get him for anything less than both our 1st's and then some.

Damn. He was one of the guys I wanted badly in his draft. I remember watching him at UCLA and thought Bulls would look at him.

[GimmeDat]

Any chance of Doug for Powell or is he untouchable?

They absolutely love Powell. He was off limits for Ibaka, and now with Ross gone he's actually an integral part of the rotation.

I'd love him as well but I don't think we could get him for anything less than both our 1st's and then some.

Damn. He was one of the guys I wanted badly in his draft. I remember watching him at UCLA and thought Bulls would look at him.

Yeah, he was a steal, and the Raps know it. It's a double win for the Raps with the Ibaka trade because he can get more run now as well. I think they'd give us a 1st for Doug, though.

[Proven_Winner]

They absolutely love Powell. He was off limits for Ibaka, and now with Ross gone he's actually an integral part of the rotation.

I'd love him as well but I don't think we could get him for anything less than both our 1st's and then some.

Damn. He was one of the guys I wanted badly in his draft. I remember watching him at UCLA and thought Bulls would look at him.

Yeah, he was a steal, and the Raps know it. It's a double win for the Raps with the Ibaka trade because he can get more run now as well. I think they'd give us a 1st for Doug, though.

But how would the 1st work? I just read the WT and it said the Raps would send the lesser of their pick and the Clippers. So how would we settle it? Do we just have the better pick or do we have to renegotiate the pick with Orlando?

[GimmeDat]

Damn. He was one of the guys I wanted badly in his draft. I remember watching him at UCLA and thought Bulls would look at him.

Yeah, he was a steal, and the Raps know it. It's a double win for the Raps with the Ibaka trade because he can get more run now as well. I think they'd give us a 1st for Doug, though.

But how would the 1st work? I just read the WT and it said the Raps would send the lesser of their pick and the Clippers. So how would we settle it? Do we just have the better pick or do we have to renegotiate the pick with Orlando?

I guess it would be just the better of the two.

I don't know for certain, but Raps fans are talking about trading a 2017 1st still so it must be feasible.

[Proven_Winner]

Yeah, he was a steal, and the Raps know it. It's a double win for the Raps with the Ibaka trade because he can get more run now as well. I think they'd give us a 1st for Doug, though.

But how would the 1st work? I just read the WT and it said the Raps would send the lesser of their pick and the Clippers. So how would we settle it? Do we just have the better pick or do we have to renegotiate the pick with Orlando?

I guess it would be just the better of the two.

I don't know for certain, but Raps fans are talking about trading a 2017 1st still so it must be feasible.

If so it'd be worth it to use as a trade chip.

[Repeat 3-peat]

On the Lopez trade talk, I can't find a place for him besides Boston or maybe New Orleans. I'm sure both would want to send back salary(N.O. probably would want us to take on Asiks contract if they were to offer a 1st) I could see if they have a hard time moving him.

[GimmeDat]

On the Lopez trade talk, I can't find a place for him besides Boston or maybe New Orleans. I'm sure both would want to send back salary(N.O. probably would want us to take on Asiks contract if they were to offer a 1st) I could see if they have a hard time moving him.

You can probably cross Boston off the list because they don't want to add salary (they're keeping things clear for FA this off-season).

They might be interested in Taj though. Zeller and one of their picks works out (expiring for expiring).

[Dominator83]

Blowing it up is nonsense for the Bulls. Weak Eastern Conference with an aging Lebron. We have a star player in Jimmy and several assets to get better. We need a more competent front office. If you blow it up, do you really trust this front office?

If you keep Butler, do you trust this FO? This FO sucks, there's no way around that.

Fact is, even in this so called weak conference, we're struggling to even stay in the playoff picture. Plus, on the LeBron point, you rebuild and there won't just be an older LBJ, there won't be one.

I think this front office with no playoff appearance this year is out the door. The last thing I want them to do is trade Butler. That will give them 5 more years at least. Then in 5 years it will be worse than today with no hope.

As far as assets, we have plenty, Lopez, Taj, Doug, Val, Sac pick, our pick and salary cap space. This year is a wash, but if we can get some new players and see how they fit, that will help us in free agency.

If Lopez/Taj/doug were worth anything, they would be gone by now. They've all been shopped and have netted nothing. The Sac pick will be a 2nd. Nothing to see here. Salary cap space isn't going to get us a star. We might get the privilege of overpaying a 2nd or 3rd tier guy like Courtney Lee or something. Either way it won't move the needle.

Val is the only one on that list that may develop into something useful. And that's 50/50 at this point. I like him but he hasn't shown us much yet

[bullslas]

If you keep Butler, do you trust this FO? This FO sucks, there's no way around that.

Fact is, even in this so called weak conference, we're struggling to even stay in the playoff picture. Plus, on the LeBron point, you rebuild and there won't just be an older LBJ, there won't be one.

I think this front office with no playoff appearance this year is out the door. The last thing I want them to do is trade Butler. That will give them 5 more years at least. Then in 5 years it will be worse than today with no hope.

As far as assets, we have plenty, Lopez, Taj, Doug, Val, Sac pick, our pick and salary cap space. This year is a wash, but if we can get some new players and see how they fit, that will help us in free agency.

If Lopez/Taj/doug were worth anything, they would be gone by now. They've all been shopped and have netted nothing. The Sac pick will be a 2nd. Nothing to see here. Salary cap space isn't going to get us a star. We might get the privilege of overpaying a 2nd or 3rd tier guy like Courtney Lee or something. Either way it won't move the needle.

Val is the only one on that list that may develop into something useful. And that's 50/50 at this point. I like him but he hasn't shown us much yet

Val will net you the least. Lopez and Taj are worth something we just don't know how to close trades.

[Ctownbulls]

Felicio is a very very bad version of Noah. He will be a fine backup, but he is not better than Lopez today. Let's not fall in love wih our guys again.

Ok, great, but my post was not about falling in love with guys or even Felicio's general quality as a player. I was just making the limited point that you shouldn't knock Felicio's efficiency compared to RoLo's because Felicio takes more efficient shots. That's kind of the point.

This effiecient stuff is so overrated. I can play in the NBA and shoot 1 layup a game and be efficient. Point is, no one is guarding Felicio. He's a nice athletic big and does some nice things on the court. Very solid player, but lets not act he's some great efficient player. You need to take more than 3 shots a game.

Portis had an opportunity to play 12 games as the back up center. If what Felicio is doing is so easy how come Portis couldn't muster up some easy dunks and put backs? If I remember correctly, Portis was one of the worst player I had ever seen in that stretch.

[Ctownbulls]

A team who plans to use cap space next season isn't taking on Lopez's deal next season for a first round pick. Need to stop mentioning Boston here. Ainge doesn't want Lopez.

Yeah Ainge would probably want Taj. The problem there is Ainge is hard to deal with and doesn't offer a 1st for him either. The ship could've sailed once Toronto got Ibaka which was a double whammy. It screwed up probably the best chance at getting a 1st for Taj and also took off a realistic FA to put around Jimmy... The Bulls need to just blow it up

The Bulls need to just trade D-Wade. I'd offer Wade and Portis for Okafor. Take it or leave it Philly. Try and trade Lopez for a first like it's rumored and try and trade it with Niko for KCP.

PG-KCP/Rondo
SG-Butler/Valentine
SF-MCW/Zipser
PF-Okafor/McDermott
C-Gibson/Felicio

Why would Phili do that trade? Some of you are just so unrealistic.

You really think Phili is going to trade for a 20 game wade rental and Bobby Portis who is barely , if even, an NBA player?

[Ctownbulls]

Yeah Ainge would probably want Taj. The problem there is Ainge is hard to deal with and doesn't offer a 1st for him either. The ship could've sailed once Toronto got Ibaka which was a double whammy. It screwed up probably the best chance at getting a 1st for Taj and also took off a realistic FA to put around Jimmy... The Bulls need to just blow it up

The Bulls need to just trade D-Wade. I'd offer Wade and Portis for Okafor. Take it or leave it Philly. Try and trade Lopez for a first like it's rumored and try and trade it with Niko for KCP.

PG-KCP/Rondo
SG-Butler/Valentine
SF-MCW/Zipser
PF-Okafor/McDermott
C-Gibson/Felicio

Philadelphia would leave it. Niko isn't getting you KCP

Haha I didn't even see that part!

He wants to trade Bobby for Okafor and Niko for KCP?!?! Hey, while we are at it lets trade Doug for Westbrook.

[NecessaryEvil]

Blowing it up is nonsense for the Bulls. Weak Eastern Conference with an aging Lebron. We have a star player in Jimmy and several assets to get better. We need a more competent front office. If you blow it up, do you really trust this front office?

LOL @ aging Lebron

Cavs are Finals locks for probably 4-5 years assuming TT/Love/Lebron/Kyrie don't suffer a career altering injury.

Well, he is aging.

Love might be out for a while. These things happen every year. The Cavs aren't invincible & they pretty much suck without Lebron.

[bullslas]

Ok, great, but my post was not about falling in love with guys or even Felicio's general quality as a player. I was just making the limited point that you shouldn't knock Felicio's efficiency compared to RoLo's because Felicio takes more efficient shots. That's kind of the point.

This effiecient stuff is so overrated. I can play in the NBA and shoot 1 layup a game and be efficient. Point is, no one is guarding Felicio. He's a nice athletic big and does some nice things on the court. Very solid player, but lets not act he's some great efficient player. You need to take more than 3 shots a game.

Portis had an opportunity to play 12 games as the back up center. If what Felicio is doing is so easy how come Portis couldn't muster up some easy dunks and put backs? If I remember correctly, Portis was one of the worst player I had ever seen in that stretch.

Portis is bad at basketball. Very simple. Does anyone really trust these guys in drafting? Felicio is a nice backup to play 20 minutes.

To add a bit, Portis was awful last year but people loved him because he screamed and yelled.

Val is this years Portis. Overrated by many here.

[Ctownbulls]

This effiecient stuff is so overrated. I can play in the NBA and shoot 1 layup a game and be efficient. Point is, no one is guarding Felicio. He's a nice athletic big and does some nice things on the court. Very solid player, but lets not act he's some great efficient player. You need to take more than 3 shots a game.

Portis had an opportunity to play 12 games as the back up center. If what Felicio is doing is so easy how come Portis couldn't muster up some easy dunks and put backs? If I remember correctly, Portis was one of the worst player I had ever seen in that stretch.

Portis is bad at basketball. Very simple. Does anyone really trust these guys in drafting? Felicio is a nice backup to play 20 minutes.

Agree. Point is Felicio is an NBA rotational player. Bobby is not.