Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[Liver_Pooty]

Lamb + Belli + 2nd round pick for Khris Middleton

for as bad as Rich Cho has **** this team over, he deserves GM of the year if he manages to get that

Middleton won me a couple hundred bucks on dfs last year because no casual fan knows who he is. Coming back off injury or not he could be our courtney lee of last year but better. If bucks want to tank..

[HornetJail]

Lamb + Belli + 2nd round pick for Khris Middleton

for as bad as Rich Cho has **** this team over, he deserves GM of the year if he manages to get that

Middleton won me a couple hundred bucks on dfs last year because no casual fan knows who he is. Coming back off injury or not he could be our courtney lee of last year but better. If bucks want to tank..

The Bucks would/probably shouldn't even trade Middleton for our 1st rounder.

[Liver_Pooty]

for as bad as Rich Cho has **** this team over, he deserves GM of the year if he manages to get that

Middleton won me a couple hundred bucks on dfs last year because no casual fan knows who he is. Coming back off injury or not he could be our courtney lee of last year but better. If bucks want to tank..

The Bucks would/probably shouldn't even trade Middleton for our 1st rounder.

Were 1-11 our last 12. 5-16 our last 21. I think they would give him up for our first.

I want our pick. Bad. This is going to be a great draft

[HornetJail]

Middleton won me a couple hundred bucks on dfs last year because no casual fan knows who he is. Coming back off injury or not he could be our courtney lee of last year but better. If bucks want to tank..

The Bucks would/probably shouldn't even trade Middleton for our 1st rounder.

Were 1-11 our last 12. 5-16 our last 21. I think they would give him up for our first.

I want our pick. Bad. This is going to be a great draft

I know nothing at all about the draft, but god knows this team needs more talent. Cheap talent. Talent we have contractual control over for damn near the next decade. I don't see this team become a bottom 5 team in the NBA this season, but bottom 7 at least gives us an alright chance at top 3. I'm embracing the tank, as long as that bench looks completely different next season.

[TheKingofSting]

The Bucks would/probably shouldn't even trade Middleton for our 1st rounder.

Were 1-11 our last 12. 5-16 our last 21. I think they would give him up for our first.

I want our pick. Bad. This is going to be a great draft

I know nothing at all about the draft, but god knows this team needs more talent. Cheap talent. Talent we have contractual control over for damn near the next decade. I don't see this team become a bottom 5 team in the NBA this season,but bottom 7 at least gives us an alright chance at top 3. I'm embracing the tank, as long as that bench looks completely different next season.

We are only three games out of a Top 5 pick now and we are headed out on a seven game road trip while we have lost our last ten road games. I'm not sure you are looking in the right place.


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[Braggins]

I think we still have a solid base to build around. I don't know if we need a full on rebuild, but at least a one year mini-tank needs to happen. If we want to make a big trade to shake things up then Batum/Marvin/Belinelli would be the guys I'd look to deal. I'm fine with keeping Marvin because I think he is at least a decent value for his contract (if he doesn't decline any more too soon), but I would be very interested in getting rid of Batum. His impact is just not even close to his pay grade, but there are actually still a lot of good teams out there that would probably give up a 1st round pick for him. I'm perfectly comfortable with rolling with Lamb at SG in the meantime. The only issue with getting rid of Batum is that we're stuck with Plumlees absurd contract, which would limit what we could actually do with any cap space we got from dealing Batum. Regardless, I'd love to have a top 10 and another mid 1st pick in this draft to add to our young core. I'm not sure if anyone would want Belinelli, but if we could get even a decent 2nd rounder and an expiring contract for him I'd probably be down.

[chellis]

I think we still have a solid base to build around. I don't know if we need a full on rebuild, but at least a one year mini-tank needs to happen. If we want to make a big trade to shake things up then Batum/Marvin/Belinelli would be the guys I'd look to deal. I'm fine with keeping Marvin because I think he is at least a decent value for his contract (if he doesn't decline any more too soon), but I would be very interested in getting rid of Batum. His impact is just not even close to his pay grade, but there are actually still a lot of good teams out there that would probably give up a 1st round pick for him. I'm perfectly comfortable with rolling with Lamb at SG in the meantime. The only issue with getting rid of Batum is that we're stuck with Plumlees absurd contract, which would limit what we could actually do with any cap space we got from dealing Batum. Regardless, I'd love to have a top 10 and another mid 1st pick in this draft to add to our young core. I'm not sure if anyone would want Belinelli, but if we could get even a decent 2nd rounder and an expiring contract for him I'd probably be down.

In your scenario, if we could get rid of Plumlee's deal but had to attach MKG to make it happen, would you do it?

[Braggins]

I think we still have a solid base to build around. I don't know if we need a full on rebuild, but at least a one year mini-tank needs to happen. If we want to make a big trade to shake things up then Batum/Marvin/Belinelli would be the guys I'd look to deal. I'm fine with keeping Marvin because I think he is at least a decent value for his contract (if he doesn't decline any more too soon), but I would be very interested in getting rid of Batum. His impact is just not even close to his pay grade, but there are actually still a lot of good teams out there that would probably give up a 1st round pick for him. I'm perfectly comfortable with rolling with Lamb at SG in the meantime. The only issue with getting rid of Batum is that we're stuck with Plumlees absurd contract, which would limit what we could actually do with any cap space we got from dealing Batum. Regardless, I'd love to have a top 10 and another mid 1st pick in this draft to add to our young core. I'm not sure if anyone would want Belinelli, but if we could get even a decent 2nd rounder and an expiring contract for him I'd probably be down.

In your scenario, if we could get rid of Plumlee's deal but had to attach MKG to make it happen, would you do it?

Probably not. We are desperate for assets and quality players as it is. I don't think we can give up any of the ones we have just to get rid of bad contracts. We need to be getting future assets back in any deal we do imo. MKG + Plumlee for expiring salary and a pick might be interesting, but it probably take a lottery pick to get me to consider it. I still like MKG and would like to give him another healthy year to see what he can do. The huge layoff makes me less inclined to judge him too harshly for this lackluster season.

All of this rebuilding talk is just wishful thinking, though. I still don't think there is any chance we do even the slightest tank. We are 100% going to be gunning for the 7th/8th seed after the all-star break and any trade we might make will likely be a short sighted future mortgaging type deal to serve that end. Something like Cody + Lamb + 2017 1st for Brook Lopez, wouldn't surprise me. Like I said in the Philly game thread, I seriously think we have one of the most hopeless situations in the entire league because of the philosophy of our front office triumvirate (MJ/Cho/Cliff).

Edit: Plumlee actually can't be traded with another player, so we are stuck with him unless we want to give up a pick.

[pantalones]

Blow it up and start over:

To Knicks

Kemba
Batum
Cody

To Hornets:
D Rose
Noah (immediate buyout)
Kuzminskas
Henangomez
First round pick

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6829487

[316Hornets]

Blow it up and start over:

To Knicks

Kemba
Batum
Cody

To Hornets:
D Rose
Noah (immediate buyout)
Kuzminskas
Henangomez
First round pick

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6829487

If you're going to blow it up, why trade away 2 of our best contracts in Cody and Kemba? Let's start with Marvin, MKG, and Batum.

[pantalones]

Blow it up and start over:

To Knicks

Kemba
Batum
Cody

To Hornets:
D Rose
Noah (immediate buyout)
Kuzminskas
Henangomez
First round pick

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6829487

If you're going to blow it up, why trade away 2 of our best contracts in Cody and Kemba? Let's start with Marvin, MKG, and Batum.

Because the Knicks picks is gonna give you one of Fultz, Ball or DS jr; stud rookie pg on a rookie contract and Hernangomez can replicate what Cody is doing at a lower cost. Plus with Rose and Noah off the books, plenty of money to add free agent depth and build properly through the draft, although I have zero faith in Cho doing that; he's the epitome of mediocre management. This team as currently constructed is an utter catastrophe. P.S. I have batum in there. My point is, if your gonna suck, then really suck.

[chellis]

Hmm, rather than blow it up like pantalones proposes, I wonder if we'd be able to help NYK and LAC facilitate a trade of Melo.

CHA gets: Austin Rivers, JJ Redick, Luc Mbah a Moute, pick compensation
LAC get: Melo
NYK get: Batum, Speights, Anderson

LAC gets Melo without giving up any from the Big 3, NYK gets value in Batum (whom they liked this summer if I remember correctly), we get a backup PG in Rivers, shooter in JJ, and an end of the bench rotational PF, with picks! Thoughts?

Side note: We can reduce the number of players LAC sends out by replacing Speights and Anderson with Pierce's salary and then we could send Brian Roberts to LAC.

[dmutombo321]

Hmm, rather than blow it up like pantalones proposes, I wonder if we'd be able to help NYK and LAC facilitate a trade of Melo.

CHA gets: Austin Rivers, JJ Redick, Luc Mbah a Moute, pick compensation
LAC get: Melo
NYK get: Batum, Speights, Anderson

LAC gets Melo without giving up any from the Big 3, NYK gets value in Batum (whom they liked this summer if I remember correctly), we get a backup PG in Rivers, shooter in JJ, and an end of the bench rotational PF, with picks! Thoughts?

Side note: We can reduce the number of players LAC sends out by replacing Speights and Anderson with Pierce's salary and then we could send Brian Roberts to LAC.

I'd be fine with that, so long as the pick we're receiving is NY's, even if its top 5 protected. (Clippers might need to send their pick to NY in such a deal also). We'd clear out Batum's salary, waive the white flag for this season since we're not going anywhere anyway and have two picks in the 5-10 range in a loaded draft between ours in New Yorks.

If Charlotte really wants to start from scratch, follow that trade up with another deal offering to send Kemba to Philly for their unprotected pick, likely also to be in the 3-9 range

Charlotte's eventual roster could look something like

Dennis Smith Jr. /Rivers
Josh Jackson / Lamb
Jayson Tatum (or Jonathan Isaac) / MKG
Marvin / Plumbee / wood
Frank / Cody / Plumlee

would probably take a team that young a year or two to mature and get back to the post season but the talent upgrade would be huge. They could also add in a premier FA to upgrade the 4 or 5 spot with the money freed up by shedding Batum.

[chellis]

Hmm, rather than blow it up like pantalones proposes, I wonder if we'd be able to help NYK and LAC facilitate a trade of Melo.

CHA gets: Austin Rivers, JJ Redick, Luc Mbah a Moute, pick compensation
LAC get: Melo
NYK get: Batum, Speights, Anderson

LAC gets Melo without giving up any from the Big 3, NYK gets value in Batum (whom they liked this summer if I remember correctly), we get a backup PG in Rivers, shooter in JJ, and an end of the bench rotational PF, with picks! Thoughts?

Side note: We can reduce the number of players LAC sends out by replacing Speights and Anderson with Pierce's salary and then we could send Brian Roberts to LAC.

I'd be fine with that, so long as the pick we're receiving is NY's, even if its top 5 protected. (Clippers might need to send their pick to NY in such a deal also). We'd clear out Batum's salary, waive the white flag for this season since we're not going anywhere anyway and have two picks in the 5-10 range in a loaded draft between ours in New Yorks.

If Charlotte really wants to start from scratch, follow that trade up with another deal offering to send Kemba to Philly for their unprotected pick, likely also to be in the 3-9 range

Charlotte's eventual roster could look something like

Dennis Smith Jr. /Rivers
Josh Jackson / Lamb
Jayson Tatum (or Jonathan Isaac) / MKG
Marvin / Plumbee / wood
Frank / Cody / Plumlee

would probably take a team that young a year or two to mature and get back to the post season but the talent upgrade would be huge. They could also add in a premier FA to upgrade the 4 or 5 spot with the money freed up by shedding Batum.

I'm not sure if Philly does that deal with us. They might as I have no clue what BC wants to do. I have thought about what a complete tear down may look like. To build off the NY/LAC trade idea:

Trade 2:

Charlotte sends: Kemba Walker
Charlotte receives: Rajon Rondo, Doug McDermott, 2017 1st rounder

Chicago sends: Rajon Rondo, Doug McDermott, 2017 1st rounder
Chicago receives: Kemba Walker

Why? Charlotte gets back a mid 1st rounder in this year's draft and McBuckets to take the "headcase" Rondo off Chicago's hands. Chicago gets its PG and gets rid of their outspoken PG. Charlotte cuts Rondo before next season.

(Note: I really wanted to send Kemba to Sacramento for Cauley-Stein, Collison and their first...then I remembered Sactown doesn't have their first...and I couldn't send Kemba to such a terrible team environment)

Trade 3:

Charlotte sends: MKG
Charlotte receives: Wilson Chandler, 2019 1st (originally 2017, but forgot they just traded it)

Denver sends: Wilson Chandler, 2019 1st
Denver receives: MKG

Why? We pick up another first, gain a solid 3&D guy. Denver gets MKG who is still young and may need a change of scenery. Fits their time line. Maybe the elevation change improves his shot?

New lineup:
PG: Rondo/Rivers
SG: JJ Redick/Lamb
SF: Chandler/McDermott
PF: Kaminsky/Mbah a Moute
C: Zeller/Plumlee

Thoughts?

[Braggins]

Charlotte gets: Jahlil Okafor + Ersan Ilyasova + Sergio 2017 2nd (lotto protected 1st ideally)

Philadelphia gets: Nic Batum + Brian Roberts + Mike Tobey

Mini tank. Have Marv get surgery. Keep Zeller and Plumlee out. Limit Kembas minutes a bit and rest some back to backs. Buy out Sessions. Feed Okafor/Lamb/Frank minutes/touches and see if we have anything with Mccallum and Wood. Roll with Rodriguez and Ilyasova for depth for the year and let them expire for space. Go into the offseason with a top 10 pick, two 2nds, and the following core.

Kemba
Lamb/Beli
MKG/Graham
Frank/Marv/Wood
Zeller/Okafor/Plumlee

Use the draft and cap space (ersan/rodriguez/sessions expiring) to address backup PG and add another wing.

[youngthegiant]

Any interest in a MKG/Gallinari swap???

[bravor]

Denver and Charlotte medical staff say no

[MPM]

MKG for Wilson Chandler and Denver's 1st?

Would seem to make sense for both teams. Chandler is at the tail end of his career, but a better fit for the Hornets. Denver's pick promises to be late lottery. Denver gets a former #2 pick with 'tremendous upside'

[Diop]

if Marv could be trusted to defend some Sf's, i would go for the MKG - Gallo swap.

Start him at Pf and he defends the worse out of the 3/4. Surely between Batum and Marv, we should be able to handle Gallo in the starting 5 without hurting us to much defensively.

Kemba, Batum, Marv, Gallo, Zeller. Has a better offensive balance.

Or we start Lamb and bring Marv off the bench.

[chellis]

MKG for Wilson Chandler and Denver's 1st?

Would seem to make sense for both teams. Chandler is at the tail end of his career, but a better fit for the Hornets. Denver's pick promises to be late lottery. Denver gets a former #2 pick with 'tremendous upside'

You've got my support seeing I posted the same trade a few lines up