2017 / 2018 Season FA/Trade Wishing Well

[spree8]

Dude Melo has to be worth more than an expiring Taj and Channing Frye. Him for Love is the only reasonable deal out there. Ball is in Clevelands court now.

I think you missed the Bulls/Kings 1st round pick part.

[WesleyExChiFan]

Dude Melo has to be worth more than an expiring Taj and Channing Frye. Him for Love is the only reasonable deal out there. Ball is in Clevelands court now.

I think you missed the Bulls/Kings 1st round pick part.

I saw that, but even then it would give me pause. That's not the greatest deal without knowing where the pick is.

Ibaka just went for a low first and a role player and he's unrestricted this year. Melo has two more years on his deal and he's a better player overall. It's reasonable to command at least two picks. If the offer is those players and the better of the two firsts plus a top 3 protected first on top, that's an offer to consider imo.

[No-Man]

What about...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=zfp2yxq

+NY getting CHA's 2017 1st lotto protected in 2017 and 2018, top10 protected in 2019 and 2020, becomes two 2nd rounders if not in 2021 and 2022 and NOLA's 2017 1st top3 protected in 2017 and 2018, unprotected in 2019.

Why for Cleveland?
Love is younger than Melo but his health bill could be even worse, back and knee problems, who knows how healthy he might be in the PO and how much you'd need to push Kyrie and LeBron during the RS, makes sense with the current conditions, Holiday is more versatile than Liggins and a better shooter.

Why for NOLA?
They dump their worst contracts at the expense of a high pick in a loaded draft but get Love in return, they are desperate enough to do that and likely whoever they draft might not be good until Davis is getting old, I wouldn't do it If I were them even with the dumping but they might, losing Moore is a side cost, he is good but not gonna be a factor, Lance could help them too when they go small.

Why for Charlotte?
Out of the Playoffs and season going sideways they are locked into this team and it isn't working, coach has never liked Lamb and Sessions is injured, Lee isnt a PG but they can be creative with him and Belinelli, losing a 1st if it isnt a lotto pick it's not a big deal for them.

Why for NY?
total rebuild, taking on Asik and Ajinça hurts, but Lamb and Moore are okay and have solid contracts and Diallo is a flyer, those 2 picks plus their own could turn everything around in 1 draft if lucky, and you probably need to tank another year at least so those contracts don't hurt as much long-term, Sessions is out this summer, they are also small enough salaries that you can stretch if you actually need to use capspace eventually.

[dakomish23]

What about...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=zfp2yxq

+NY getting CHA's 2017 1st lotto protected in 2017 and 2018, top10 protected in 2019 and 2020, becomes two 2nd rounders if not in 2021 and 2022 and NOLA's 2017 1st top3 protected in 2017 and 2018, unprotected in 2019.

Why for Cleveland?
Love is younger than Melo but his health bill could be even worse, back and knee problems, who knows how healthy he might be in the PO and how much you'd need to push Kyrie and LeBron during the RS, makes sense with the current conditions, Holiday is more versatile than Liggins and a better shooter.

Why for NOLA?
They dump their worst contracts at the expense of a high pick in a loaded draft but get Love in return, they are desperate enough to do that and likely whoever they draft might not be good until Davis is getting old, I wouldn't do it If I were them even with the dumping but they might, losing Moore is a side cost, he is good but not gonna be a factor, Lance could help them too when they go small.

Why for Charlotte?
Out of the Playoffs and season going sideways they are locked into this team and it isn't working, coach has never liked Lamb and Sessions is injured, Lee isnt a PG but they can be creative with him and Belinelli, losing a 1st if it isnt a lotto pick it's not a big deal for them.

Why for NY?
total rebuild, taking on Asik and Ajinça hurts, but Lamb and Moore are okay and have solid contracts and Diallo is a flyer, those 2 picks plus their own could turn everything around in 1 draft if lucky, and you probably need to tank another year at least so those contracts don't hurt as much long-term, Sessions is out this summer, they are also small enough salaries that you can stretch if you actually need to use capspace eventually.

Everyone here would sign off on it to get the almost guaranteed lottery pick from NOLA

[Grover]

What about...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=zfp2yxq

+NY getting CHA's 2017 1st lotto protected in 2017 and 2018, top10 protected in 2019 and 2020, becomes two 2nd rounders if not in 2021 and 2022 and NOLA's 2017 1st top3 protected in 2017 and 2018, unprotected in 2019.

Why for Cleveland?
Love is younger than Melo but his health bill could be even worse, back and knee problems, who knows how healthy he might be in the PO and how much you'd need to push Kyrie and LeBron during the RS, makes sense with the current conditions, Holiday is more versatile than Liggins and a better shooter.

Why for NOLA?
They dump their worst contracts at the expense of a high pick in a loaded draft but get Love in return, they are desperate enough to do that and likely whoever they draft might not be good until Davis is getting old, I wouldn't do it If I were them even with the dumping but they might, losing Moore is a side cost, he is good but not gonna be a factor, Lance could help them too when they go small.

Why for Charlotte?
Out of the Playoffs and season going sideways they are locked into this team and it isn't working, coach has never liked Lamb and Sessions is injured, Lee isnt a PG but they can be creative with him and Belinelli, losing a 1st if it isnt a lotto pick it's not a big deal for them.

Why for NY?
total rebuild, taking on Asik and Ajinça hurts, but Lamb and Moore are okay and have solid contracts and Diallo is a flyer, those 2 picks plus their own could turn everything around in 1 draft if lucky, and you probably need to tank another year at least so those contracts don't hurt as much long-term, Sessions is out this summer, they are also small enough salaries that you can stretch if you actually need to use capspace eventually.

Everyone here would sign off on it to get the almost guaranteed lottery pick from NOLA

dakomish23 does not speak for everyone. That's a lot of garbage to ride the pine even with an unprotected pick that you have top ten protected.

[Marty McFly]

knicks really need to target teodosic this off season and make him a focal point if the knicks miss out on a a top pg prospect this off season. he plays on the same national team as jokic, and the joker has a team option in 2018. if all he does is take that he's an UFA in 2019. can you **** imagine having kp and jokic on the same team?

[moocow007]

What about...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=zfp2yxq

+NY getting CHA's 2017 1st lotto protected in 2017 and 2018, top10 protected in 2019 and 2020, becomes two 2nd rounders if not in 2021 and 2022 and NOLA's 2017 1st top3 protected in 2017 and 2018, unprotected in 2019.

Why for Cleveland?
Love is younger than Melo but his health bill could be even worse, back and knee problems, who knows how healthy he might be in the PO and how much you'd need to push Kyrie and LeBron during the RS, makes sense with the current conditions, Holiday is more versatile than Liggins and a better shooter.

Why for NOLA?
They dump their worst contracts at the expense of a high pick in a loaded draft but get Love in return, they are desperate enough to do that and likely whoever they draft might not be good until Davis is getting old, I wouldn't do it If I were them even with the dumping but they might, losing Moore is a side cost, he is good but not gonna be a factor, Lance could help them too when they go small.

Why for Charlotte?
Out of the Playoffs and season going sideways they are locked into this team and it isn't working, coach has never liked Lamb and Sessions is injured, Lee isnt a PG but they can be creative with him and Belinelli, losing a 1st if it isnt a lotto pick it's not a big deal for them.

Why for NY?
total rebuild, taking on Asik and Ajinça hurts, but Lamb and Moore are okay and have solid contracts and Diallo is a flyer, those 2 picks plus their own could turn everything around in 1 draft if lucky, and you probably need to tank another year at least so those contracts don't hurt as much long-term, Sessions is out this summer, they are also small enough salaries that you can stretch if you actually need to use capspace eventually.

Holy cow that's a lot of sheer and udder poo (with nasty contracts) that would be glued to the Knicks bench long term. There are so many teams bunched up in that bottom group that the Pelicans can end up with a pick that's even further away from the top pick than the Knicks. Not really worth the risk to trade what the Knicks would have to give up, take on the crap from the Pelicans just to possibly get a late lottery pick. As it is the Pelicans are 3 wins away from being the 8th seed in the West.

[No-Man]

What about...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=zfp2yxq

+NY getting CHA's 2017 1st lotto protected in 2017 and 2018, top10 protected in 2019 and 2020, becomes two 2nd rounders if not in 2021 and 2022 and NOLA's 2017 1st top3 protected in 2017 and 2018, unprotected in 2019.

Why for Cleveland?
Love is younger than Melo but his health bill could be even worse, back and knee problems, who knows how healthy he might be in the PO and how much you'd need to push Kyrie and LeBron during the RS, makes sense with the current conditions, Holiday is more versatile than Liggins and a better shooter.

Why for NOLA?
They dump their worst contracts at the expense of a high pick in a loaded draft but get Love in return, they are desperate enough to do that and likely whoever they draft might not be good until Davis is getting old, I wouldn't do it If I were them even with the dumping but they might, losing Moore is a side cost, he is good but not gonna be a factor, Lance could help them too when they go small.

Why for Charlotte?
Out of the Playoffs and season going sideways they are locked into this team and it isn't working, coach has never liked Lamb and Sessions is injured, Lee isnt a PG but they can be creative with him and Belinelli, losing a 1st if it isnt a lotto pick it's not a big deal for them.

Why for NY?
total rebuild, taking on Asik and Ajinça hurts, but Lamb and Moore are okay and have solid contracts and Diallo is a flyer, those 2 picks plus their own could turn everything around in 1 draft if lucky, and you probably need to tank another year at least so those contracts don't hurt as much long-term, Sessions is out this summer, they are also small enough salaries that you can stretch if you actually need to use capspace eventually.

Holy cow that's a lot of sheer and udder poo (with nasty contracts) that would be glued to the Knicks bench long term. There are so many teams bunched up in that bottom group that the Pelicans can end up with a pick that's even further away from the top pick than the Knicks. Not really worth the risk to trade what the Knicks would have to give up, take on the crap from the Pelicans just to possibly get a late lottery pick. As it is the Pelicans are 3 wins away from being the 8th seed in the West.

Love's out thats the beauty of it

[dakomish23]

What about...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=zfp2yxq

+NY getting CHA's 2017 1st lotto protected in 2017 and 2018, top10 protected in 2019 and 2020, becomes two 2nd rounders if not in 2021 and 2022 and NOLA's 2017 1st top3 protected in 2017 and 2018, unprotected in 2019.

Why for Cleveland?
Love is younger than Melo but his health bill could be even worse, back and knee problems, who knows how healthy he might be in the PO and how much you'd need to push Kyrie and LeBron during the RS, makes sense with the current conditions, Holiday is more versatile than Liggins and a better shooter.

Why for NOLA?
They dump their worst contracts at the expense of a high pick in a loaded draft but get Love in return, they are desperate enough to do that and likely whoever they draft might not be good until Davis is getting old, I wouldn't do it If I were them even with the dumping but they might, losing Moore is a side cost, he is good but not gonna be a factor, Lance could help them too when they go small.

Why for Charlotte?
Out of the Playoffs and season going sideways they are locked into this team and it isn't working, coach has never liked Lamb and Sessions is injured, Lee isnt a PG but they can be creative with him and Belinelli, losing a 1st if it isnt a lotto pick it's not a big deal for them.

Why for NY?
total rebuild, taking on Asik and Ajinça hurts, but Lamb and Moore are okay and have solid contracts and Diallo is a flyer, those 2 picks plus their own could turn everything around in 1 draft if lucky, and you probably need to tank another year at least so those contracts don't hurt as much long-term, Sessions is out this summer, they are also small enough salaries that you can stretch if you actually need to use capspace eventually.

Everyone here would sign off on it to get the almost guaranteed lottery pick from NOLA

dakomish23 does not speak for everyone. That's a lot of garbage to ride the pine even with an unprotected pick that you have top ten protected.

You clearly didn't read his whole post

A NOLA 2017 top 3 protected pick is what I'm referring to. They are not going to be in the top 3 unless they jump a bunch of teams.

So yeah I can guarantee 99.9999999999% of Knicks fans will take an almost guaranteed top 10 lottery pick in this year's draft for Melo. Even with the garbage that would take be on our cap the next few seasons.

You're rebuilding the through the draft anyway at that point for the next few seasons.

[Grover]

I'm not opposed to taking on risk in trades based on differing opinions on talent and future player potential but you're advocating gambling on the probability of ping pong balls to determine trade values and I can't endorse it.

[Dantares]

Why is reggie jackson on the trade block? I am interested, he seems like he can be the 2nd best player on a very good team. He has already proven he can be the #1 guy on a lower seed playoff team.

[Knicksfan1992]

Why is reggie jackson on the trade block? I am interested, he seems like he can be the 2nd best player on a very good team. He has already proven he can be the #1 guy on a lower seed team.

Looks for his own shot too much and he's not that great of a defender. Essentially he's the kinda guy that will always be a big stats bad/mediocre team guy unless he gets out of his bad habits. Problem is the Pistons don't have that alpha offensively that will get him to give up the ball and be more efficient.

[Dantares]

Why is reggie jackson on the trade block? I am interested, he seems like he can be the 2nd best player on a very good team. He has already proven he can be the #1 guy on a lower seed team.

Looks for his own shot too much and he's not that great of a defender. Essentially he's the kinda guy that will always be a big stats bad/mediocre team guy unless he gets out of his bad habits. Problem is the Pistons don't have that alpha offensively that will get him to give up the ball and be more efficient.

well if KP can fulfill his potential he may be that alpha guy you are talking about. If we can get reggie on the cheap I would do it.

[spree8]

Dude Melo has to be worth more than an expiring Taj and Channing Frye. Him for Love is the only reasonable deal out there. Ball is in Clevelands court now.

I think you missed the Bulls/Kings 1st round pick part.

I saw that, but even then it would give me pause. That's not the greatest deal without knowing where the pick is.

Ibaka just went for a low first and a role player and he's unrestricted this year. Melo has two more years on his deal and he's a better player overall. It's reasonable to command at least two picks. If the offer is those players and the better of the two firsts plus a top 3 protected first on top, that's an offer to consider imo.

Oh...Why did you only mention Taj n Frye? Anyways, if a future top 3 protected pick is the difference in this trade, then I doubt it's that much of a hold up considering it's not all that much more.

[digitaldropoff]

knicks really need to target teodosic this off season and make him a focal point if the knicks miss out on a a top pg prospect this off season. he plays on the same national team as jokic, and the joker has a team option in 2018. if all he does is take that he's an UFA in 2019. can you **** imagine having kp and jokic on the same team?

Yeah...Denver is going to let Jokic go in any capacity.....lol.

[Knicksfan1992]

Stanley Johnson.. another young reclamation project we should be targeting. The type of player who if he improves is the mold of a player you want around KP in the future. Tough, good defender, and versatile position-wise.

[Marty McFly]

knicks really need to target teodosic this off season and make him a focal point if the knicks miss out on a a top pg prospect this off season. he plays on the same national team as jokic, and the joker has a team option in 2018. if all he does is take that he's an UFA in 2019. can you **** imagine having kp and jokic on the same team?

Yeah...Denver is going to let Jokic go in any capacity.....lol.

thing about that is, it's not just up to them. he has a team option. as a second rounder he's not expected to be locked up for an extended period of time the way alot of young stars usually are. he could legitimately be an unrestricted free agent at the age of 24, which isn't going to be the case for a lot of young stars since he was drafted in the second round.

sure, they could offer him a super max whatever. it's up to him to decide if he wants it or not. which, he may or may not take. leaving for greener pastures isn't that crazy, particularly if he's a guy who wants to compete for a long time.

[Mecca]

The Nuggets are low key building something in Denver. I said it in the very first around the NBA thread that they'd sneak into the playoffs with all of that young talent and it's coming to fruition.

Now that Juan Hernangomez is getting burn, that young core is looking really exciting. Murray, Hernangomez, and Jokic is definitely something you can build with.

[Mecca]

Stanley Johnson.. another young reclamation project we should be targeting. The type of player who if he improves is the mold of a player you want around KP in the future. Tough, good defender, and versatile position-wise.

SVG is a good GM, so I doubt he gives him away. I know he loves Jennings, so if Jennings+Kuz is enough to get it done, we should jump on that.

[3toheadmelo]

Stanley Johnson.. another young reclamation project we should be targeting. The type of player who if he improves is the mold of a player you want around KP in the future. Tough, good defender, and versatile position-wise.

he's someone I would take a gamble on for sure