The (Quadruple) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 4.0)

[CeltsfaninDC]

Would you, Could you...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gtcsz97



Boston probably needs to send a BRK pick, how bout 2018!

Starting 5's for;

Celtics - Smart, Bradley, Brown, Horford, Drummond

Pistons - Thomas, KCP, Crowder, Harris, Baynes

I think we should try to include Brown and the BKN17 pick as well-- don't think Detroit is getting enough value.

its still a little light.... how about also including 2 or 3 more picks and Jimmy Garapolo. The Lions need a QB, right?

[ddb]

Thanks for the name calling. That's very mature of you.

My take; IT is NOT the long term answer and I can't believe Ainge is going to pay him $25M+. Everyone is just caught up in the moment with IT (as they should be). When the playoffs role around and we're the #2 or even the #1 seed and the C's get spanked prior to the ECF...

So, sell high and let someone else pay him. Keep Crowder if you can, I love his contract, but having a chance to get a talent like Drummond is rare. I doubt he's even available for the record.

I'll go be "clueless" now. thanks

not trying to be a jerk, but that trade is AWFUL!

Why because you have some love affair for IT?

first of all, yes. How could you not? He is a special player and if you can't see that then you need to get your eyes examined. Second, Drummond is overrated. And finally, trading IT would all but ruin Danny's reputation...he would be known as a snake and NONBODY would come to Boston. nobody. IT deserves a max contract. I'd rather have IT over Drummond 7 times a week and twice on Sunday

[SparringPartner]

No. As ddb said, that trade is awful.

Why? Please break it down for me Obi Wan.

That trade = awful

The math checks out

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[CeltsfaninDC]

Thanks for the name calling. That's very mature of you.

My take; IT is NOT the long term answer and I can't believe Ainge is going to pay him $25M+. Everyone is just caught up in the moment with IT (as they should be). When the playoffs role around and we're the #2 or even the #1 seed and the C's get spanked prior to the ECF...

So, sell high and let someone else pay him. Keep Crowder if you can, I love his contract, but having a chance to get a talent like Drummond is rare. I doubt he's even available for the record.

I'll go be "clueless" now. thanks

not trying to be a jerk, but that trade is AWFUL!

Why because you have some love affair for IT?

I honestly can't tell if you were serious about that trade or not. If it was for AD then maybe, but Drummond? SMH

[SparringPartner]

Would you, Could you...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gtcsz97



Boston probably needs to send a BRK pick, how bout 2018!

Starting 5's for;

Celtics - Smart, Bradley, Brown, Horford, Drummond

Pistons - Thomas, KCP, Crowder, Harris, Baynes

I think we should try to include Brown and the BKN17 pick as well-- don't think Detroit is getting enough value.

its still a little light.... how about also including 2 or 3 more picks and Jimmy Garapolo. The Lions need a QB, right?

Good one. Maybe the C's should think about throwing all that into the deal. How about a signed Tom Brady jersey?

[Stadium5]

Butler not worth one Brooklyn pick and filler? Hilarious.

Jaylen could easily turn out to be a Jimmy Butler, he's like 7 years younger than him.

The BKN 17 and 18 picks have superstar potential. Jimmy Butler isn't propelling us to championships. I don't understand what some of you guys see sometimes

[SparringPartner]

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[ddb]

Butler not worth one Brooklyn pick and filler? Hilarious.

if you can get Butler for 1 BK pick (17) without giving up ANYONE else than you do it all day long. you have to!

If it's Smart/Amir/BK17 or something like that then HELL NO

[SparringPartner]

Why because you have some love affair for IT?

I honestly can't tell if you were serious about that trade or not. If it was for AD then maybe, but Drummond? SMH

Right, because Drummond doesn't "FIT" in the "new" NBA. Great point, do you even know what that means?

Stevens would make Drummond a god. Andre plays both side of the court and he's 23. Oh yeah, he's locked up for 4 more years.

[Stadium5]

not trying to be a jerk, but that trade is AWFUL!

Why because you have some love affair for IT?

first of all, yes. How could you not? He is a special player and if you can't see that then you need to get your eyes examined. Second, Drummond is overrated. And finally, trading IT would all but ruin Danny's reputation...he would be known as a snake and NONBODY would come to Boston. nobody. IT deserves a max contract. I'd rather have IT over Drummond 7 times a week and twice on Sunday

IT deserves a MAX contract?!?!

You're out of your mind. IT isn't some 21 year old putting up these numbers with years before his prime coming up. He's an extremely undersized guard (OMG the shock and horror!) and his speed is going to slow in the coming years. We already have a stupid max contract tied up in aging Horford

[reload141]

Would you, Could you...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gtcsz97



Boston probably needs to send a BRK pick, how bout the 2018

Starting 5's for;

Celtics - Smart(22), Bradley(26), Brown(20), Horford(30), Drummond(23)

Pistons - Thomas, KCP, Crowder, Harris, Baynes

This is one of the worst trades on this forum I've ever seen, we trade the face of the franchise currently in Thomas, a starter in Crowder and top 3-5 pick next year for Drummond AND you get to get out of Jacksons contract by giving him to Sacramento?
Sorry, that's just so terrible.
The fact is is that Detroit has stuffed up and is now scrambling to build a roster around.... well KCP I guess? Since Jackson and Drummond are on the table.

We are not in the business of helping a franchise that has not built their team correctly, sorry.

[fallguy]

Butler not worth one Brooklyn pick and filler? Hilarious.

Jaylen could easily turn out to be a Jimmy Butler, he's like 7 years younger than him.

The BKN 17 and 18 picks have superstar potential. Jimmy Butler isn't propelling us to championships. I don't understand what some of you guys see sometimes

A lot of people are just edgy for a deal and don't see (the rather obvious) reasons why we should wait on a Butler deal instead of sending out the best assets we have at our disposal to build a title team.

[OFWGKTA]

Why because you have some love affair for IT?

I honestly can't tell if you were serious about that trade or not. If it was for AD then maybe, but Drummond? SMH

Right, because Drummond doesn't "FIT" in the "new" NBA. Great point.

Stevens would make Drummond a god. Andre plays both side of the court and he's 23. Oh yeah, he's locked up for 4 more years.

Fun fact:

When Drummond is off the court his team both rebounds, and defends better overall.

[CeltsfaninDC]

I honestly can't tell if you were serious about that trade or not. If it was for AD then maybe, but Drummond? SMH

Right, because Drummond doesn't "FIT" in the "new" NBA. Great point, do you even know what that means?

Stevens would make Drummond a god. Andre plays both side of the court and he's 23. Oh yeah, he's locked up for 4 more years.

Did I say he doesn't "FIT"? You might have me confused with another poster because I'd love to have Drummond on the Cs, just not for the absurd offer you put together.

Also, why would DET take on an injured Rudy Gay?

[SparringPartner]

And finally, trading IT would all but ruin Danny's reputation...he would be known as a snake and NONBODY would come to Boston. nobody.

Wow, just wow. I didn't realize Ainge signed IT to a FA deal. Oh wait, he did not. That is the only way you get the reputation you speak of. You are so far of base here it's somewhat comical. IMO you're just like everyone else, caught up in the moment. The C's want to win championships, not send players to All-Star games. IT gets to AS games, but won't bring this team #18. His on/off stats say a lot.

IT deserves a max contract. I'd rather have IT over Drummond 7 times a week and twice on Sunday

Hence, why I'm glad you're not the GM of the Boston Celtics. Danny Ainge, IMO, does not agree with you. Time will prove all this out. I hope my opinion is wrong and we hoist up banner #18 this year.

[OFWGKTA]

And finally, trading IT would all but ruin Danny's reputation...he would be known as a snake and NONBODY would come to Boston. nobody.

Wow, just wow. I didn't realize Ainge signed IT to a FA deal. Oh wait, he did not. That is the only way you get the reputation you speak of. You are so far of base here it's somewhat comical. IMO you're just like everyone else, caught up in the moment. The C's want to win championships, not send players to All-Star games. IT gets to AS games, but won't bring this team #18. His on/off stats say a lot.

IT deserves a max contract. I'd rather have IT over Drummond 7 times a week and twice on Sunday

Hence, why I'm glad you're not the GM of the Boston Celtics. Danny Ainge, IMO, does not agree with you. Time will prove all this out. I hope my opinion is wrong and we hoist up banner #18 this year.

IT on/off: +1.5

Drummond on/off: -11.4

Cya

[Andrew McCeltic]

Drummond has "upside", and plenty of time left to work and improve. But apart from the great raw stats, there's a reason his coach is frustrated with him. Hasn't developed offensively the way Stan VG assumed he would, and makes a lot of defensive "mistakes". Also can't shoot.

He'd be part of the "young team", not the veteran one.

Like a young Deandre Jordan. You're gambling you can teach him how to play and that he'll keep improving - I think he will, but it's risky if it's a Brooklyn pick you're giving for him.

[chrisab123]

Butler not worth one Brooklyn pick and filler? Hilarious.

Jaylen could easily turn out to be a Jimmy Butler, he's like 7 years younger than him.

The BKN 17 and 18 picks have superstar potential. Jimmy Butler isn't propelling us to championships. I don't understand what some of you guys see sometimes

Nothing easy about that. I love that people here look at guys like Cousins George Butler as guys who can be had for expiring deals and non Brooklyn picks because 2K17 allows you to do so. Look Brown is coming along but to say that he's easily going to be as good as one of the best players in the league is ridiculous.

Jimmy Butler would move the needle in a big way. If you don't see that I'm not sure what else to say here...

Also that BRK 18 pick value goes away real quick if Brooklyn is able to make some deals and sign some free agents to get them out of the hell that is the bottom 5 in the league.

[Andrew McCeltic]

And Sean Grande pointed out to Bill Simmons that Avery Bradley has an awful plus-minus for us. Hard to know when advanced stats and common sense clash so much.

[SparringPartner]

This is one of the worst trades on this forum I've ever seen, we trade the face of the franchise currently in Thomas, a starter in Crowder and top 3-5 pick next year for Drummond AND you get to get out of Jacksons contract by giving him to Sacramento?
Sorry, that's just so terrible.
The fact is is that Detroit has stuffed up and is now scrambling to build a roster around.... well KCP I guess? Since Jackson and Drummond are on the table.

We are not in the business of helping a franchise that has not built their team correctly, sorry.

Crowder could easily come out of this trade IDEA. What's great about IDEA's is they haven't happened in reality yet, so they can be adjusted. This original idea might be an overpay, but guys like Drummond don't come on the market often. The fact that he MIGHT be on the market screams of a poorly run franchise to take advantage of IMO.

The Celtics fan-base puts WAY to many "rainbows & butterflies" into IT and his success. It's an amazing story and it's been amazingly fun to watch, but if you think he's the long-term face of the franchise you and I STRONGLY disagree.

You probably think Marcus Smart is garbage and we should unload him, right?