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Re: Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread) 

Post#401 » by BullyKing » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:42 pm

Sixerscan wrote:I'm willing to give him until the trade deadline before really assessing this.

I've never seen someone be put in such a strong situation with future assets and spend so much time complaining about how his predecessor left him some messes to clean up. Newsflash Bryan, if the team was perfect the previous guy wouldn't have gotten canned and you wouldn't have this job. It's supposed to be hard.


He's spent more time complaining that Hinkie left him too many assets than Hinkie spent complaining about his predecessors leaving him no assets (and owed picks to boot).
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Re: The fire Bryan Colangelo petition 

Post#402 » by SouthJersey » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:49 pm

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SouthJersey wrote:Ehhh, he's not getting fired and shouldn't be. The Okafor situation has been frustrating, and the Embiid injury wasn't handled right, but the good moves he's made need to be considered. He had a really good draft, made a nice trade for Ersan and a 1st, and the team is actually getting respect.While I would rather have Hinkie, I dont think BC has done anything worth being fired over.


Moves he's made? His value was supposed to be in bringing in free agents and agent contacts that Hinkie couldn't and he brought in Bayless (a terrible contract for a guy that shot way above expectation last season and was far from the best fit with Simmons among players available), Rodriguez (meh), and Henderson (who has been fine but certainly isn't something special that Hinkie couldn't have done). The Ersan trade was good value but I'm going to save the praise until I see whether he moves him at the deadline (it's terrible if he doesn't).

His draft was alright. He doesn't get any credit for the Simmons pick - everyone in the league is making that. The Luwawu pick was certainly very good (I had him as second best player available after McCaw). The Korkmaz pick was alright (had him as probably top 5 best available).

However, he gets an F for not handling the Okafor/Noel situation over the summer (aka not trading Okafor for whatever he could get over the summer), and another F for how he's handled Okafor over the last week.

He gets an F for more or less lying about the Embiid and Simmons injury situations and then throwing Embiid under the bus for dancing at the concert.

He gets an F for not communicating with Noel and even letting the situation get to that point (again by not trading Okafor sooner).

He's jeopardizing the relationships with our best players (Embiid, Simmons, Noel).

I actually had respect for Colangelo for his draft but that respect is completely gone after the events of the last few months (especially the last week). I was legitimately excited to listen to Hinkie on the rare occasions he decided to speak and I couldn't be bothered to listen to anything Colangelo "says" - he's just a politician.


I'm not going to sit here and defend the guy more than I have because I never wanted him, but the reality is that people want him fired over what has transpired over the last month, and thats not how things work in the world. If thats not understood, then IDK what world people work in.

You can give him an "F" for all those things, but thats just media relations and things that people choose to turn into big deals you don't know are true. Like, no one has any proof that relationships with Embiid and Simmons are jeopardized. You think they are but Embiid or Simmons aren't refusing to sign a contract over something like that. So, yes these things BC has done recently are annoying, but the bottomline is that the team is improving.
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Re: The fire Bryan Colangelo petition 

Post#403 » by TTP » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:03 pm

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SouthJersey wrote:Ehhh, he's not getting fired and shouldn't be. The Okafor situation has been frustrating, and the Embiid injury wasn't handled right, but the good moves he's made need to be considered. He had a really good draft, made a nice trade for Ersan and a 1st, and the team is actually getting respect.While I would rather have Hinkie, I dont think BC has done anything worth being fired over.


Moves he's made? His value was supposed to be in bringing in free agents and agent contacts that Hinkie couldn't and he brought in Bayless (a terrible contract for a guy that shot way above expectation last season and was far from the best fit with Simmons among players available), Rodriguez (meh), and Henderson (who has been fine but certainly isn't something special that Hinkie couldn't have done). The Ersan trade was good value but I'm going to save the praise until I see whether he moves him at the deadline (it's terrible if he doesn't).

His draft was alright. He doesn't get any credit for the Simmons pick - everyone in the league is making that. The Luwawu pick was certainly very good (I had him as second best player available after McCaw). The Korkmaz pick was alright (had him as probably top 5 best available).

However, he gets an F for not handling the Okafor/Noel situation over the summer (aka not trading Okafor for whatever he could get over the summer), and another F for how he's handled Okafor over the last week.

He gets an F for more or less lying about the Embiid and Simmons injury situations and then throwing Embiid under the bus for dancing at the concert.

He gets an F for not communicating with Noel and even letting the situation get to that point (again by not trading Okafor sooner).

He's jeopardizing the relationships with our best players (Embiid, Simmons, Noel).

I actually had respect for Colangelo for his draft but that respect is completely gone after the events of the last few months (especially the last week). I was legitimately excited to listen to Hinkie on the rare occasions he decided to speak and I couldn't be bothered to listen to anything Colangelo "says" - he's just a politician.


I'm not going to sit here and defend the guy more than I have because I never wanted him, but the reality is that people want him fired over what has transpired over the last month, and thats not how things work in the world. If thats not understood, then IDK what world people work in.

You can give him an "F" for all those things, but thats just media relations and things that people choose to turn into big deals you don't know are true. Like, no one has any proof that relationships with Embiid and Simmons are jeopardized. You think they are but Embiid or Simmons aren't refusing to sign a contract over something like that. So, yes these things BC has done recently are annoying, but the bottomline is that the team is improving.


I live in the world where our National Security Advisor was forced out after serving for for less than 4 weeks.

Furthermore, I don't really care about how things are traditionally done - if we want change, we should continue to voice our displeasure.

Some of the things I mentioned are certainly verifiable. I also used the word jeopardized, not harmed. Jeopardize means risk of harm, and there is certainly risk of harm with his actions. If I had conclusive proof that the relationships were harmed, I would have used harmed and not jeopardized.
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Re: Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread) 

Post#404 » by shawn_hemp » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:07 pm

I don't really have a problem with BC holding Simmons back from playing this year, even if he is theoretically healthy.

Everyone talks about how good Fultz/Ball/Jackson would look on this team but if you want that to happen you have to be patient and just let the team suck a little bit longer.

It'll be worth it in the end. I would be ok with Embiid and Simmons not playing at all after the All Star break
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Re: The fire Bryan Colangelo petition 

Post#405 » by sixers hoops » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:13 pm

TTP wrote:
SouthJersey wrote:Ehhh, he's not getting fired and shouldn't be. The Okafor situation has been frustrating, and the Embiid injury wasn't handled right, but the good moves he's made need to be considered. He had a really good draft, made a nice trade for Ersan and a 1st, and the team is actually getting respect.While I would rather have Hinkie, I dont think BC has done anything worth being fired over.


Moves he's made? His value was supposed to be in bringing in free agents and agent contacts that Hinkie couldn't and he brought in Bayless (a terrible contract for a guy that shot way above expectation last season and was far from the best fit with Simmons among players available), Rodriguez (meh), and Henderson (who has been fine but certainly isn't something special that Hinkie couldn't have done). The Ersan trade was good value but I'm going to save the praise until I see whether he moves him at the deadline (it's terrible if he doesn't).

His draft was alright. He doesn't get any credit for the Simmons pick - everyone in the league is making that. The Luwawu pick was certainly very good (I had him as second best player available after McCaw). The Korkmaz pick was alright (had him as probably top 5 best available).

However, he gets an F for not handling the Okafor/Noel situation over the summer (aka not trading Okafor for whatever he could get over the summer), and another F for how he's handled Okafor over the last week.

He gets an F for more or less lying about the Embiid and Simmons injury situations and then throwing Embiid under the bus for dancing at the concert.

He gets an F for not communicating with Noel and even letting the situation get to that point (again by not trading Okafor sooner).

He's jeopardizing the relationships with our best players (Embiid, Simmons, Noel).

I actually had respect for Colangelo for his draft but that respect is completely gone after the events of the last few months (especially the last week). I was legitimately excited to listen to Hinkie on the rare occasions he decided to speak and I couldn't be bothered to listen to anything Colangelo "says" - he's just a politician.


Very good assessment. I am also pleased he has resisted the temptation to move our prized future picks for shortsighted moves in an attempt to make a push for the 8 seed.

My biggest fear when he was hired was that he would sell out prime picks in a Larry Brown-Billy Kingesque attempt to look respectable.
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Re: Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread) 

Post#406 » by snoopdogg88 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:14 pm

Why stop there?

Let's rest Fultz, Simmons, Embiid next season too. Let's sit healthy players to "work on their shot" until 2023 and we have 8 #1 picks on the roster.

Only then can we really compete
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Post#407 » by sixers hoops » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:15 pm

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“Some of the guys on the training staff told me that if I was up to it, I could return to the team today and play in Boston,” the second-year center said Wednesday.


http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/sixers/Sixers-Okafor-on-being-traded-I-thought-it-would-be-a-good-chance.html

Okafor sits out, doesn't even travel and then has training staff tell him he can rejoin the team? Noel lit into BC as not talking to him before when there was the Noel speculation, but this is beyond what I would expect.

The Colangelo problem is real and big if this is true.


I'm surprised that something like this would happen when our GM is a man of action who is highly respected around the league.
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Re: Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread) 

Post#408 » by MR28 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:56 am

Bryan should be given EOTY after botching the Okafor trade. His botching of the Jah trade has given this organization the possiblility of lucking into astronomic value.
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Post#409 » by SparksFly87 » Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:37 am

Wow the luck that we just recieved tonight sheesh!!! I feel for for the west . AD and Cousins good luck matching up with the Pelicans now.
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Post#410 » by Agnostifarian » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:00 am

SparksFly87 wrote:Wow the luck that we just recieved tonight sheesh!!! I feel for for the west . AD and Cousins good luck matching up with the Pelicans now.


As long as the Pelicans beat the Kings, I'm happy.
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Post#411 » by PLO » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:49 pm

MR28 wrote:Bryan should be given EOTY after botching the Okafor trade. His botching of the Jah trade has given this organization the possiblility of lucking into astronomic value.


Its almost unbelievably fortuitous the way its panned out; it adds to the value of the Kings swap this year and the pick we have for them in 2019, as well as potentially the Lakers pick for this year. We could trade 10 Jahs now and I'm not sure we would get a better return than not trading the one of him to the Pels a week or so ago. If there is such a thing as ranking all-time non-trades it would have to up there; though I guess we'll only really know that with what eventuates with those picks.
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Post#412 » by Skates » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:59 pm

BC should be on the phone with Divac right now trying to dump Jah on them.
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Post#413 » by PLO » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:06 pm

Skates wrote:BC should be on the phone with Divac right now trying to dump Jah on them.


"Vlade, this is Bryan, yes about Jah.....he has Rommel-like experience as a tank commander....how many firsts do you have left to trade?"

Maybe Kings should also be looking to bring Kobe out of retirement? :lol:
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Post#414 » by sixers hoops » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:08 pm

Skates wrote:BC should be on the phone with Divac right now trying to dump Jah on them.


Divac loves offensive centers. Doesn't use advanced metrics. Likes players with a name and high pick pedigree. The problem is, other than unlikely 2018 swap, they have nothing. A protected first from the bulls would likely be better than anything Sac can offer.
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Post#415 » by BullyKing » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:10 pm

sixers hoops wrote:
Skates wrote:BC should be on the phone with Divac right now trying to dump Jah on them.


Divac loves offensive centers. Doesn't use advanced metrics. Likes players with a name and high pick pedigree. The problem is, other than unlikely 2018 swap, they have nothing. A protected first from the bulls would likely be better than anything Sac can offer.


I'm willing to take it out to their 2021 first
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Post#416 » by sixers hoops » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:12 pm

BullyKing wrote:
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Skates wrote:BC should be on the phone with Divac right now trying to dump Jah on them.


Divac loves offensive centers. Doesn't use advanced metrics. Likes players with a name and high pick pedigree. The problem is, other than unlikely 2018 swap, they have nothing. A protected first from the bulls would likely be better than anything Sac can offer.


I'm willing to take it out to their 2021 first


If they agree to keep Vlade as GM. Lol.
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Post#417 » by XDevilBoiX » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:15 pm

sixers hoops wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
sixers hoops wrote:
Divac loves offensive centers. Doesn't use advanced metrics. Likes players with a name and high pick pedigree. The problem is, other than unlikely 2018 swap, they have nothing. A protected first from the bulls would likely be better than anything Sac can offer.


I'm willing to take it out to their 2021 first


If they agree to keep Vlade as GM. Lol.

Vlade is just a puppet who works the phone for the owner, final decision comes from him anyways.
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Post#418 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:21 pm

XDevilBoiX wrote:
sixers hoops wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
I'm willing to take it out to their 2021 first


If they agree to keep Vlade as GM. Lol.

Vlade is just a puppet who works the phone for the owner, final decision comes from him anyways.


Yup. Ownership. Look at the fingerprint pre-Divac and the recent moves, they have similarities.
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Post#419 » by smittybanton » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:30 pm

If Colangelo's beef with NO was simply over the protections, Sacramento will try to flip Evans and NO17 for Okafor. BC will still turn it down because with Cousins, Holiday and Davis, top 20 protection means nothing to a team likely headed to the playoffs or right on the cusp.

Now if they offer up Malachi Richardson (#22 2016, 46% 3pt D-League, Trenton Catholic) and NO17, perhaps BC will consider it. Question becomes is Richardson an improvement over TLC? Even if so, do you take him along with TLC and move Stauskas before his RFA year?
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Post#420 » by Arsenal » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:32 pm

smittybanton wrote:If Colangelo's beef with NO was simply over the protections, Sacramento will try to flip Evans and NO17 for Okafor. BC will still turn it down because with Cousins, Holiday and Davis, top 20 protection means nothing to a team likely headed to the playoffs or right on the cusp.

Now if they offer up Malachi Richardson (#22 2016, 46% 3pt D-League, Trenton Catholic) and NO17, perhaps BC will consider it. Question becomes is Richardson an improvement over TLC? Even if so, do you take him along with TLC and move Stauskas before his RFA year?


BC would be an idiot to turn down NO17 and Evans for Okafor. The pick will probably land around #15, which would be awesome for us in this deep draft.

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