Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[sfam]

There's chatter about Boston trading their overall #1 and other things for Jimmy Butler. If they do that, Wade won't have any interest in staying in Chicago. I don't know any contract details, but he'd be a pretty decent backup guard if we could swing Nicolson, Mahinmi and so forth. Again, I don't track that so would love to know if this is even possible.

[deneem4]

What? I'd trade a first to make sure Nick Young was never a Wizard again.

WTF is going on in this thread? Interest in Nick Young and Jordan Crawford? What's next, dig Blatche back up out of China? Trade a future first for JaVale McGee?

I can't be the only one who remembers how utterly awful it was to watch those clowns play basketball. It was only a few years ago.

I can't wait until this deadline is over.

Nick young can shoot...and he's most likely coming off the books next year...if we play Cleveland we need another shooter because it's going to be a shootout for 7 games...

Nick Young and Jordan Crawford were the kings of catching the ball when they were open and dribbling into the more difficult shot. They are both clowns and I have no interest in seeing them ever return.

"Were" Jason smith our best shooter off the bench...we need help in tht area...

[NatP4]

Would Houston trade Trevor Ariza for Jeff Green straight up? That's essentially what you're proposing.

Just think about season 2 of Otto Porter, couldn't crack the rotation, and Oubre is the raw high ceiling guy. We can't draw any conclusions about him until atleast next season. He's going to be a monster, I've never been so sure about a player since Paul George.

Tj warren lol

You're laughing out loud about me proposing a trade for T.J. Warren? I'm laughing out loud at you trying to draw comparisons to Oubre now and Porter in year two. It was evident that Porter's game at Georgetown would translate to the NBA. He could shoot in college and he can shoot now. He averaged more than 9 points in college when he came out, he's averaging more than 9 points now. I'm laughing out loud at you seemingly missing the fact that Porter couldn't crack the rotation because the Wizards had an old-fashioned coach in Wittman that undervalued what young players had to offer and placed them in his doghouse if they weren't named John or Bradley and erred slightly in consecutive games. Not to mention a Hall of Famer in Paul Pierce, favored by Wittman, playing ahead of him.


Okay, you've never been so sure about a player since Paul George, so tell me, what does Oubre, the finished product look like on offense.

He will earn his keep on offense primarily as a what type of player?

yes, otto had an "NBA ready" game and it still took a couple years to adjust and develop, oubre is the raw player, so you can't give up on the guy in year 2. all I'm saying.

The finished product oubre, will be a player that can knock down 3s at a 40% clip and also shoot them off the dribble, his knack for getting to the rim and drawing contact will continue to improve, the game will slow down for him and he'll learn how to get shots in an offense. His defense is obviously going to be high level, he will rebound at a high level, he doesn't lack any physical tools. will he develop court vision and playmaking ability? most players do after they gain experience and the game slow down.

all star potential easy, look at what drew hanlen has done with Wiggins and Beal.. do you think oubre lacks the ability? no does he lack the work ethic? no does he have the best trainer in the business? yes. will he have it even easier playing with john wall? yes

[miller31time]

If you can get Drummond without mortgaging your future, you do it.

Swapping Drummond for Gortat, Oubre and a first is a no-brainer in my mind.

You just can't pass up adding a young, all-star caliber big man if the price is right.

The first thing good teams do is build their core, then worry about finding the extra pieces later. A core of Wall, Beal, Otto and Drummond is absolutely insane from a talent/age perspective and we would be a nightmare for the next decade.

The no brainer to me would be, adding Kelly Oubre Marcin Gortat and a 1st round pick to wall Beal Porter.

If you can flip Gortat and 2 picks for Drummond, do it. Oubre is the starting small forward of the future

That's putting a lot of faith into an unknown commodity. Oubre may be a really good small forward. He might also NOT be. Drummond is proven talent. Now, he may need refining but the production has been there and at a tough position to fill.

Gortat is going to get progressively worse over the course of his contract. Right now, he's a very serviceable center. Next year, he'll be serviceable. The year after, he'll be not much more than a very average center.

Under this admittedly unrealistic scenario, you're betting the farm on Kelly Oubre. I would hope that it works out the way you feel it will but I like to deal with more solid investments, especially ones that have a good amount of growth themselves (Drummond hasn't sniffed his potential and he's already accomplished a good deal).

[nate33]

Guys, it is with heavy heart that I have come to a troubling conclusion... it's time to start shopping Jason Smith.

Smith was great for us at backup center while Mahinmi was out. He's had a career year and looks like a legitimately useful bench player. But only at center. He stinks at PF. He can't execute the switching scheme on defense, and his addition to the rotation seems to have inadvertently impacted Oubre's confidence. He has the only contract that would be palatable to another team as "filler". And he really is no longer needed on this roster with Mahinmi back.

We should sell high on him. Ideally, we trade him with Burke for a decent backup PG, but I can't find a salary that fits except maybe Darren Collision (and SAC doesn't need another big). Or maybe we just try and move him for a 2nd round pick to get him off the books and ease luxtax concerns. Then use the pick and the cap hold to go shopping for a player.

[mhd]

Guys, it is with heavy heart that I have come to a troubling conclusion... it's time to start shopping Jason Smith.

Smith was great for us at backup center while Mahinmi was out. He's had a career year and looks like a legitimately useful bench player. But only at center. He stinks at PF. He can't execute the switching scheme on defense, and his addition to the rotation seems to have inadvertently impacted Oubre's confidence. He has the only contract that would be palatable to another team as "filler". And he really is no longer needed on this roster with Mahinmi back.

We should sell high on him. Ideally, we trade him with Burke for a decent backup PG, but I can't find a salary that fits except maybe Darren Collision (and SAC doesn't need another big). Or maybe we just try and move him for a 2nd round pick to get him off the books and ease luxtax concerns. Then use the pick and the cap hold to go shopping for a player.

NO!!!

Smith is a much better fit with this roster. He's the only stretch big we have. What about this deal:

Wiz trade: Mahinmi for Deng
Portland trade: Crabbe for Mahinmi
Lakers trade: Deng for Crabbe

Lakers get a young SG to pair with Russell (I assume they trade Lou Williams & Young), and Clarkson is better as a combo guard off the bench. They also have 3 PFs to get PT ahead of Deng (Randle, Nance, and Ingram (who I think is a PF more than SF).

Portland saves about 2 million and gets a defensive center to backup Nurkic.

Dang gives us a beefy PF/SF who can potentially guard LeBron.

PG: Wall/Burke
SG: Beal/Sato
SF: Porter/Oubre
PF: Morris/Deng
C: Gortat/Smith

[payitforward]

I'd be happy to shop Smith, but I can't think of a team likely to want him, let alone need him. I'm not sure we could get a R2 pick for him.

[Mojo Amok]

Guys, it is with heavy heart that I have come to a troubling conclusion... it's time to start shopping Jason Smith.

Smith was great for us at backup center while Mahinmi was out. He's had a career year and looks like a legitimately useful bench player. But only at center. He stinks at PF. He can't execute the switching scheme on defense, and his addition to the rotation seems to have inadvertently impacted Oubre's confidence. He has the only contract that would be palatable to another team as "filler". And he really is no longer needed on this roster with Mahinmi back.

We should sell high on him. Ideally, we trade him with Burke for a decent backup PG, but I can't find a salary that fits except maybe Darren Collision (and SAC doesn't need another big). Or maybe we just try and move him for a 2nd round pick to get him off the books and ease luxtax concerns. Then use the pick and the cap hold to go shopping for a player.

I can see the logic there. Despite being much lambasted by many of the Wizards faithful on his maiden voyages in the red, white and blue, Mahinmi is likely to get a lot better really fast as he loosens up and gets accustomed to teammates, schemes and game speed. Plus, he's almost surely unmovable unless we take something back that's rather awful (the Deng idea would be worthy of consideration, but he's just so old).

I also think there's no point in considering moving Oubre given that he probably doesn't have much trade value right now and it'd be a sell low move; better to just let him play next year and see what happens.

I wonder if Deron Williams would be available for something like Smith, Burke and a 2nd from us with Smith maybe going to a third team? Or, who knows, maybe the Mavericks would go for Smith.

[nate33]

What about this deal:

Wiz trade: Mahinmi for Deng
Portland trade: Crabbe for Mahinmi
Lakers trade: Deng for Crabbe

Lakers get a young SG to pair with Russell (I assume they trade Lou Williams & Young), and Clarkson is better as a combo guard off the bench. They also have 3 PFs to get PT ahead of Deng (Randle, Nance, and Ingram (who I think is a PF more than SF).

Portland saves about 2 million and gets a defensive center to backup Nurkic.

Dang gives us a beefy PF/SF who can potentially guard LeBron.

Have you looked at Deng's numbers?

His production has fallen off a cliff. Over the last 3 years, he had a WS/48 in the .110 range, a PER around 15, and an Ortg around 110. This year, his WS/48 dropped to .038, his PER is 10 and his ORtg is 102. He's a barely serviceable backup who is paid $18M a year for the next 3.5 years. And with the mileage he has on him, he's likely to get worse, fast. He has 33,000 career minutes under his belt.

[nate33]

I'd be happy to shop Smith, but I can't think of a team likely to want him, let alone need him. I'm not sure we could get a R2 pick for him.

It's really remarkable how big men have become dinosaurs in today's game. It seems like most teams are like us, with 1 or 2 too many bigs at the end of the bench already. Nobody needs more than 3 guys taller than 6-9, and 2 is enough.

[gambitx777]

Idk like the more I think about trading mahinmi and Burke for rondo and mitotic I like it a lot. I mean yeah rentals but it might help up out too maybe we make it rondo and Portis for mahinmi and a first and a second idk think.there might be something there. Then you try to move Nicholson.?

[NatP4]

I'd be happy to shop Smith, but I can't think of a team likely to want him, let alone need him. I'm not sure we could get a R2 pick for him.

It's really remarkable how big men have become dinosaurs in today's game. It seems like most teams are like us, with 1 or 2 too many bigs at the end of the bench already. Nobody needs more than 3 guys taller than 6-9, and 2 is enough.

Because a 6'8 athletic perimeter player with a 7'3 wingspan, is 10x more valuable


And we all knew a 9 man rotation would be fine simply because Oubre IS capable of playing starter minutes and Otto IS really really good at the 4

After smith got benched they went:
Burke Sato Oubre Otto Mahinmi.

Obviously Burke sabatoged the team during that stretch, but you flip Burke into Lou somehow(not a Lou fan, just an example) that bench turns into a Huuuuuge strength. I guarantee it.

Remember this: trade deadline player with Sato Oubre Keef/Otto Mahinmi will be a strength.

Potential disaster: any trade that picks up a no defense playing chucker withou moving Burke. We aren't making the ECF if we turn to Burke and Lou Williams backcourt plus smith playing power forward. Awful

[NatP4]

And I'm not a Lou fan at all. I honestly just want Darren Collison at this point. Just a solid team player that can score a little bit and play off ball to Sato.

But Burke HAS to go, and SMITH at PF HAS to go. This team has so much more potential than we have seen. Which is crazy to think

[bealwithit]

If you can get Drummond without mortgaging your future, you do it.

Swapping Drummond for Gortat, Oubre and a first is a no-brainer in my mind.

You just can't pass up adding a young, all-star caliber big man if the price is right.

The first thing good teams do is build their core, then worry about finding the extra pieces later. A core of Wall, Beal, Otto and Drummond is absolutely insane from a talent/age perspective and we would be a nightmare for the next decade.

The no brainer to me would be, adding Kelly Oubre Marcin Gortat and a 1st round pick to wall Beal Porter.

If you can flip Gortat and 2 picks for Drummond, do it. Oubre is the starting small forward of the future

That's putting a lot of faith into an unknown commodity. Oubre may be a really good small forward. He might also NOT be. Drummond is proven talent. Now, he may need refining but the production has been there and at a tough position to fill.

Gortat is going to get progressively worse over the course of his contract. Right now, he's a very serviceable center. Next year, he'll be serviceable. The year after, he'll be not much more than a very average center.

Under this admittedly unrealistic scenario, you're betting the farm on Kelly Oubre. I would hope that it works out the way you feel it will but I like to deal with more solid investments, especially ones that have a good amount of growth themselves (Drummond hasn't sniffed his potential and he's already accomplished a good deal).

Agreed miller. It's almost certain not to happen but I'd also sell high on Gortat and move Oubre for Drummond.

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Nate asking to be put on ignore...

[J-Ves]

The thing is we just don't have enough data on Mahinmi to move Smith at this point. Can we trust Mahinmi's knees? Has he proven to better than Smith at backup center? I think most would say no to both.

[deneem4]

I want portis + (McDermott or mirotic)
We can do expiring for either of those 2 along with a 1st

Portis is a young stretch big with defense
Added with
Mirotic a point foward and shooter
Or
McDermott a sharpshooter

While the latter 2 aren't great defenders

Sato Oubre portis Mahinmi makes up for their defensive deficiencies

I want to see sato and Oubre develop as scorers...if porter was able to become the best shooter in the league they can get better...especially under brooks who shown he can develop players so far this season
With that being said some more playmakers for sato and Oubre off the bench or a shooter to relieve pressure... don't want the bench to become reliant on 1 guy for scoring that's not how good benches succeed..
(Even though I want lou)

I really want mirotic and portis...and worry about the offseason when it occurs but mirotic would be great for our bench and slot with Morris for a couple mins with the starters...
Portis can become the future 4 or 5...he's being misused in Chicago like mirotic...last season he was a good 3pt shooter but regressed, really want to see what brooks can do with him

[europeanfan]

Don't think you can get a better back up PG than Beal can be. Beal is 100 times better than Lou can be in his dreams defensively.

Imo the POs rotation should more or less be :

Wall 40min / Beal 8min
Beal 32min / X 16min
Otto / Oubre
Morris / Smith
Gortat / Mahinmi

If you look at instrumental role players in recent contenders : Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Boris Diaw... Even looking back in time the ultimate bench player on a contender is Robert Horry, big shot Rob. All can shoot the 3, there's nothing like them on the bench.

Just think there's no better fit than Bogdanovic.

[NatP4]

Wall Satoransky
Beal Barton
Porter Oubre
Keef Otto
Gortat Mahinmi

people really don't realize how bad Burke is. We would never struggle with a Satoransky Barton backcourt against 2nd units.

ANY combination of these players as long as Mahinmi and Gortat don't play together, is a good lineup. ANY COMBO. ANYTHING, GO ON GIVE IT A TRY. I challenge you guys to make a bad lineup out of that group of 9 players

[NatP4]

The thing is we just don't have enough data on Mahinmi to move Smith at this point. Can we trust Mahinmi's knees? Has he proven to better than Smith at backup center? I think most would say no to both.

I think nate is more pointing out that his trade value is at an all time high and we don't need him as much now, and more importantly, we need to save Brooks from himself.