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The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

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Re: The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0) 

Post#361 » by Captain_Caveman » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:19 pm

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CelticsLV wrote:"We're not looking for Band-Aids and we're not looking to give up future assets. We're trying to build something that is a little bit more sustainable than we are to rent a player."

"You can't just put a rebounder that can't shoot out on the court because it might provide a little bit of help on the rebounding end, but it takes away from what our strength is on the offensive end," Ainge said. "We know what our weaknesses are. We'd like rim protection and rebounding. But at the same time we do like skilled bigs to play around our guards."

Ainge also said somewhere something about injuries and that this team hasn't really played a lot together at full strenght. Basically pointing to that he wants to see this team after the all-star break at full strenght.

Don't expect even a trade for an expiring big. This is all you need to hear. No minor moves at all. It's either a blockbuster or a trade for someone who's in our future plans.


He'd give up that Minny 2nd for a stopgap big, I bet.


How do you position yourself to try to someday pick the next Draymond Green, DeAndre Jordan, or Nikola Jokic if you throw away early 2nd round picks like Grandma gives away way too old candy?


Don't disagree, but is there even a roster spot for that pick, even with the expanded rosters? There's certainly no minutes for them.

As others have mentioned, you also send the wrong message to the current team if you send them into the playoffs without addressing our Frontcourt depth.
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Re: The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0) 

Post#362 » by Homerclease » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:22 pm

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He'd give up that Minny 2nd for a stopgap big, I bet.


How do you position yourself to try to someday pick the next Draymond Green, DeAndre Jordan, or Nikola Jokic if you throw away early 2nd round picks like Grandma gives away way too old candy?


Don't disagree, but is there even a roster spot for that pick, even with the expanded rosters? There's certainly no minutes for them.

As others have mentioned, you also send the wrong message to the current team if you send them into the playoffs without addressing our Frontcourt depth.

Draft and stash just like last year. Hell thats how the nuggets landed Jokic in the second. Also I'm not seeing the roster crunch quite yet with Amir, Jerebko, Green, Young and perhaps KO on the way out after this season
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Post#363 » by FlatearthZorro » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:23 pm

Writebloc wrote:I don't even know what to make of this!

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Danny probably doesn't want him. I thought we didn't want Cousins for a while to be real with you. He could easily eat up all our assets and ruin the team and Brad's career at the same time. :)
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Post#364 » by Homerclease » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:30 pm

The other option in play is if a guy we like slips in the draft that we package up some future firsts and these second rounders to get back into the mid first. If a guy like Giles slips down into the 15-20 range I'd jump all over it. Guys like Bam, OG and Leaf could also be there as well.
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Post#365 » by Slartibartfast » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:55 pm

CelticsLV wrote:"We're not looking for Band-Aids and we're not looking to give up future assets. We're trying to build something that is a little bit more sustainable than we are to rent a player."

"You can't just put a rebounder that can't shoot out on the court because it might provide a little bit of help on the rebounding end, but it takes away from what our strength is on the offensive end," Ainge said. "We know what our weaknesses are. We'd like rim protection and rebounding. But at the same time we do like skilled bigs to play around our guards."

Ainge also said somewhere something about injuries and that this team hasn't really played a lot together at full strenght. Basically pointing to that he wants to see this team after the all-star break at full strenght.

Don't expect even a trade for an expiring big. This is all you need to hear. No minor moves at all. It's either a blockbuster or a trade for someone who's in our future plans.


This reads like Danny is trying to thread a needle. A skilled big who can space the floor and yet still defend the rim and rebound?

How many of those guys are there in the NBA? 5? AD, the ghost of Joel Embiid, Towns someday, headcase DMC, maybe Myles Turner or Niko Jokic. Are any of these guys remotely attainable? Great if so, but otherwise we're waiting for Godot.

I think this organization is way too in love with IT. Let's get a really good big and not worry about building everything around IT.
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Post#366 » by Crossy2008 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:57 pm

The Celtics have certainly been getting a lot more attention lately, especially from the sports radio dudes around here. You can tell, almost immediately, that they do not know much about this team, and in some cases basketball as a whole.

I've been thinking about the Celtics roster potential going forward. Boston has a chance to have one of the best young lineups in the league in about 17 months.

Fultz/Smart/Brown/Bamba/Zizic
Could be Ball instead of Fultz, or Ayton instead of Bamba, and a variety of other possibilities.

Ultimately, the Celtics have plenty of assets to use in a trade without using the Brooklyn picks. The only real team need is another quality big. Avery coming back, and Brown coming back will give Smart the second unit back. He has been really good running the offense with the second unit.
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Post#367 » by Captain_Caveman » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:59 pm

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sully00 wrote:Absolutely. That is not insult it is just a fact. Steph Curry is considered an MVP because he puts up great numbers on a great team. He wasn't an MVP when he put up the same kind of numbers on a 45 win team and nobody would care if it was a 35 win team. I would say the same thing about Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli they would be considered great players on any team their post season success is what has separated them. Steve Nash is another great comparison to Steph Curry.

The Warriors were able to take this compilation of 2nd tier stars 7 or 8 players deep and added a smart coach who implemented a system that took it to another level. Guys who were the best players on their previous team were now going to be role players on the Warriors.

Trust me this isn't easy DAL who has a smart coach who has done it before can't put the right pieces together even though they keep trying.

I don't think IT is a significant better or more talented player than he was two years ago. His coach, role, the roster around him and how he is used is what has changed. Put him on the Sixers tomorrow he will still be a good player but he won't be somebody talked about as an MVP candidate.

Let me add put IT on the Warriors instead of Curry and the Warriors are still the hands down favorites to win the championship.


Hands-down one of the worst takes I have ever read on all of RealGM.

Only two players in a Celtics uniform have ever been better than Curry has over the last couple of years. Russell and Bird, that's it. Only other one who was even close was KG. Curry miles ahead of Pierce, Hondo, Cowens, McHale, etc...

You don't luck your way to 73 wins with plucky role players.


No kiddng that is what makes your position so bizarre. Nobody is saying Curry is a plucky role player the exact opposite Warriors roster goes 7-8 deep with guys who would be a #1 or #2 option on most teams. Harrison Barnes is a great example. That said I don't think any of them are top 5 guys except for Durant. Steph is not much of a defender and average as a PG. Tremendous shooter and scorer and plays big in the postseason.

As far as him being a top 5 or 10 player of all time that is a joke he isn't a top 5 player of his own era.


Saying Curry hasn't been a top 5 player the last couple of years is just not a credible take. All the greats great in their own way, but no one has ever been great in the way Steph has been.

You can have your whole franchise pick this guy up at halfcourt, and he will drill a contested 30-footer right in your face. Again and again and again.

No one has ever had floor spacing like the Warriors have had, and Steph is why.

Not Harrison Barnes. Yeah, Barnes can be a top 1-2 guy on your team... if your team **** SUCKS.
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Post#368 » by darrendaye » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:05 am

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This reads like Danny is trying to thread a needle. A skilled big who can space the floor and yet still defend the rim and rebound?

How many of those guys are there in the NBA? 5? AD, the ghost of Joel Embiid, Towns someday, headcase DMC, maybe Myles Turner or Niko Jokic. Are any of these guys remotely attainable? Great if so, but otherwise we're waiting for Godot.

I think this organization is way too in love with IT. Let's get a really good big and not worry about building everything around IT.


Could be. But I think he's had this idea going back to Rondo too (Hi Kelly O!).
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Post#369 » by Captain_Caveman » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:06 am

Writebloc wrote:I don't even know what to make of this!

Read on Twitter


I do. Guy has a horrible reputation around the league due to being such a cancerous **** head.
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Post#370 » by Slartibartfast » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:08 am

darrendaye wrote:
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This reads like Danny is trying to thread a needle. A skilled big who can space the floor and yet still defend the rim and rebound?

How many of those guys are there in the NBA? 5? AD, the ghost of Joel Embiid, Towns someday, headcase DMC, maybe Myles Turner or Niko Jokic. Are any of these guys remotely attainable? Great if so, but otherwise we're waiting for Godot.

I think this organization is way too in love with IT. Let's get a really good big and not worry about building everything around IT.


Could be. But I think he's had this idea going back to Rondo too (Hi Kelly O!).


Maybe he's just jonesing for KG.
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Post#371 » by Asian Celtic » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:33 am

Paul Goerge not taking an extension. Could this be the big fish Danny was aiming for?
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Post#372 » by Celts17Pride » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:36 am

Let's wake everyone up around here,


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Source tells me the two teams that the #Knicks have been talking to the most the last 48 hours are the Mavericks and the Celtics

Goes on the say Celtics love Kyle O' Quinn and are willing to give up Jaylen Brown or the 2018 Brooklyn first round pick.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :banghead:
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Post#373 » by BakersDozen » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:41 am

Im not sure what it would take to get George, im sure Bird will want a Godfather deal. Maybe Bradley/rozier/johnson/bkn 17 ... Id immediately try and lock him i to an extension in the offseason if we somehow got him.


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Post#374 » by BakersDozen » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:42 am

Celts17Pride wrote:Let's wake everyone up around here,


Tommy Dee‏ @ThomasCDee

Source tells me the two teams that the #Knicks have been talking to the most the last 48 hours are the Mavericks and the Celtics

Goes on the say Celtics love Kyle O' Quinn and are willing to give up Jaylen Brown or the 2018 Brooklyn first round pick.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :banghead:


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Post#375 » by Writebloc » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:43 am

Celts17Pride wrote:Let's wake everyone up around here,


Tommy Dee‏ @ThomasCDee

Source tells me the two teams that the #Knicks have been talking to the most the last 48 hours are the Mavericks and the Celtics

Goes on the say Celtics love Kyle O' Quinn and are willing to give up Jaylen Brown or the 2018 Brooklyn first round pick.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :banghead:


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Post#376 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:44 am

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Writebloc wrote:I don't even know what to make of this!

Read on Twitter


I do. Guy has a horrible reputation around the league due to being such a cancerous **** head.


If this rumor of Orlando turning him down is true, then I am delighted, because it means the Celtics aren't interested. Boston could destroy an offer of Vucevic, Fournier and picks. The fact that Sacramento wanted to deal with Orlando means that Boston had already turned them down.
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Post#377 » by Celts17Pride » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:46 am

Now Knicks fans are talking about setting for Crowder and a 1st round pick for O' Quinn.

Got to love Knicks fans. LOL!!!
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Post#378 » by BakersDozen » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:51 am

FWIW theres a rumor coming from the knicks board saying theres a three way deal involving cle/nyk/bos where cavs get melo we get love knicks get picks. I guess it came the same guy who broke the love to cavs trade a couple years ago.


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Post#379 » by Celts17Pride » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:58 am

BakersDozen wrote:FWIW theres a rumor coming from the knicks board saying theres a three way deal involving cle/nyk/bos where cavs get melo we get love knicks get picks. I guess it came the same guy who broke the love to cavs trade a couple years ago.


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Post#380 » by BakersDozen » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:02 am

I dont touch that if its a nets pick.


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