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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#601 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:41 pm

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Those open shooting percentages aren't evidence, which you can't see. What makes him better is that the defense respects and recovers to him, unlike roberson.....you realize how big of a difference that is when it comes to running an effective team offense, right? Maybe you dont....but the fact that he can dribble and shoot a pull up jumper, make a free throw, or anything but a driving dunk or a really wide open 3, thus commanding the defense to at least pay attention to him, is why he's a better offensive player. And he's not good on offense. To fair I think roberson is currently better on D, but big deal. Fingers crossed robes is shipped. The whole play a sg that can't shoot idea didnt pan out with 2 superstars, it's not gonna with 1.

Soo...getting the "Tony Allen treatment" is something you don't see happen to Tony Allen? I'm not sure you know who he is.

Dre also rates better in ORPM. Which you don't care about because stats and all. So basically despite every single bit of tangible evidence you don't buy it.

So much that a year ago you started a thread to ask other fans if Roberson would play on their team, with a resounding reply of "yes".


LOL no they didn't man....one guy brought up Mike Dunleavy or something....nobody could name names as to who they would want him over....and the names that did come up (Dunleavy, etc. ) were really bad players....which is the whole point. I'd start that same thread today, I bet results would be the same. What playoff rotation does he Crack elsewhere, and over who specifically? Also, wasn't that the thread you posted a video of robes making the best play of his career posterizing someone and acted like he does it all the time to try to sway the people who don't regularly watch him. Hahaha that was sad to try to win an argument ha. I believe you called him Draymond green light, didn't you? Total misrepresentation to try to get people to agree who hadn't seen him .
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#602 » by bondom34 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:55 pm

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LOL no they didn't man....one guy brought up Mike Dunleavy or something....nobody could name names as to who they would want him over....and the names that did come up (Dunleavy, etc. ) were really bad players....which is the whole point. I'd start that same thread today, I bet results would be the same. What playoff rotation does he Crack elsewhere, and over who specifically? Also, wasn't that the thread you posted a video of robes making the best play of his career posterizing someone and acted like he does it all the time to try to sway the people who don't regularly watch him. Hahaha that was sad to try to win an argument ha. I believe you called him Draymond green light, didn't you? Total misrepresentation to try to get people to agree who hadn't seen him .

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1390039

I mean, you can look yourself but there's 3 people right on page 1 at first glance.

Nobody called him Draymond Green light, I have no clue where you pull that from, but we've got a ton of people saying he'd play on their team.

Heck you started the thread. I posted
bondom34 wrote:Yep, this is pretty much what I expected.

on page 1. So....yeah you're again incorrect.
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Re: 2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion 

Post#603 » by bondom34 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:56 pm

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LOL no they didn't man....one guy brought up Mike Dunleavy or something....nobody could name names as to who they would want him over....and the names that did come up (Dunleavy, etc. ) were really bad players....which is the whole point. I'd start that same thread today, I bet results would be the same. What playoff rotation does he Crack elsewhere, and over who specifically? Also, wasn't that the thread you posted a video of robes making the best play of his career posterizing someone and acted like he does it all the time to try to sway the people who don't regularly watch him. Hahaha that was sad to try to win an argument ha. I believe you called him Draymond green light, didn't you? Total misrepresentation to try to get people to agree who hadn't seen him .

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1390039

I mean, you can look yourself but there's 3 people right on page 1 at first glance.

I said he's like Green without the shooting (which is still a stretch), while you said he wouldn't get minutes anywhere, despite everyone nearly telling you you're dead wrong. Maybe when everyone else tells you so, you're actually wrong?
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Post#604 » by hardenASG13 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:28 pm

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LOL no they didn't man....one guy brought up Mike Dunleavy or something....nobody could name names as to who they would want him over....and the names that did come up (Dunleavy, etc. ) were really bad players....which is the whole point. I'd start that same thread today, I bet results would be the same. What playoff rotation does he Crack elsewhere, and over who specifically? Also, wasn't that the thread you posted a video of robes making the best play of his career posterizing someone and acted like he does it all the time to try to sway the people who don't regularly watch him. Hahaha that was sad to try to win an argument ha. I believe you called him Draymond green light, didn't you? Total misrepresentation to try to get people to agree who hadn't seen him .

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1390039

I mean, you can look yourself but there's 3 people right on page 1 at first glance.

Nobody called him Draymond Green light, I have no clue where you pull that from, but we've got a ton of people saying he'd play on their team.

Heck you started the thread. I posted
bondom34 wrote:Yep, this is pretty much what I expected.

on page 1. So....yeah you're again incorrect.


Hmm I guess I don't see what u are seeing....a few guys on page 1 say he might get situational minutes off the bench, opposed to the starters minutes he gets/got w okc. And you say on page 1, to the question does he guard 4's "yes, he's like Dray mond green without the shooting". He does not guard 4s, and does nothing on offense comparable to green. You're delusional on this
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Post#605 » by bondom34 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:34 pm

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LOL no they didn't man....one guy brought up Mike Dunleavy or something....nobody could name names as to who they would want him over....and the names that did come up (Dunleavy, etc. ) were really bad players....which is the whole point. I'd start that same thread today, I bet results would be the same. What playoff rotation does he Crack elsewhere, and over who specifically? Also, wasn't that the thread you posted a video of robes making the best play of his career posterizing someone and acted like he does it all the time to try to sway the people who don't regularly watch him. Hahaha that was sad to try to win an argument ha. I believe you called him Draymond green light, didn't you? Total misrepresentation to try to get people to agree who hadn't seen him .

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1390039

I mean, you can look yourself but there's 3 people right on page 1 at first glance.

Nobody called him Draymond Green light, I have no clue where you pull that from, but we've got a ton of people saying he'd play on their team.

Heck you started the thread. I posted
bondom34 wrote:Yep, this is pretty much what I expected.

on page 1. So....yeah you're again incorrect.


Hmm I guess I don't see what u are seeing....a few guys on page 1 say he might get situational minutes off the bench, opposed to the starters minutes he gets/got w okc. And you say on page 1, to the question does he guard 4's "yes, he's like Dray mond green without the shooting". He does not guard 4s, and does nothing on offense comparable to green. You're delusional on this

He can guard 4s, and I just said he doesn't do the same offensively. Are you reading man? really? Because every single person sees value in what he does.

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Post#606 » by hardenASG13 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:39 am

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bondom34 wrote:viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1390039

I mean, you can look yourself but there's 3 people right on page 1 at first glance.

Nobody called him Draymond Green light, I have no clue where you pull that from, but we've got a ton of people saying he'd play on their team.

Heck you started the thread. I posted
on page 1. So....yeah you're again incorrect.


Hmm I guess I don't see what u are seeing....a few guys on page 1 say he might get situational minutes off the bench, opposed to the starters minutes he gets/got w okc. And you say on page 1, to the question does he guard 4's "yes, he's like Dray mond green without the shooting". He does not guard 4s, and does nothing on offense comparable to green. You're delusional on this

He can guard 4s, and I just said he doesn't do the same offensively. Are you reading man? really? Because every single person sees value in what he does.

Are you sleestak?


Sleestak? I'm just someone who played and watched bball all his life, think it's a shame roberson was trotted out there with kd and Westbrook these past few years, and also watching the opportunity this team had get squandered because they were loyal to guys like perk and roberson too long. Robes has ability to D up well, but I've never seen a guy like him get minutes on a contender in the playoffs, and when I watch them now, I don't see anyone on other teams close to as bad as him on offense. If the guy could knock down corner 3s or dribble he'd be great, but he just cant.
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Post#607 » by bondom34 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:52 am

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Hmm I guess I don't see what u are seeing....a few guys on page 1 say he might get situational minutes off the bench, opposed to the starters minutes he gets/got w okc. And you say on page 1, to the question does he guard 4's "yes, he's like Dray mond green without the shooting". He does not guard 4s, and does nothing on offense comparable to green. You're delusional on this

He can guard 4s, and I just said he doesn't do the same offensively. Are you reading man? really? Because every single person sees value in what he does.

Are you sleestak?


Sleestak? I'm just someone who played and watched bball all his life, think it's a shame roberson was trotted out there with kd and Westbrook these past few years, and also watching the opportunity this team had get squandered because they were loyal to guys like perk and roberson too long. Robes has ability to D up well, but I've never seen a guy like him get minutes on a contender in the playoffs, and when I watch them now, I don't see anyone on other teams close to as bad as him on offense. If the guy could knock down corner 3s or dribble he'd be great, but he just cant.

So again, you've never seen Tony Allen or Moute.
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Post#608 » by hardenASG13 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:33 am

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bondom34 wrote:He can guard 4s, and I just said he doesn't do the same offensively. Are you reading man? really? Because every single person sees value in what he does.

Are you sleestak?


Sleestak? I'm just someone who played and watched bball all his life, think it's a shame roberson was trotted out there with kd and Westbrook these past few years, and also watching the opportunity this team had get squandered because they were loyal to guys like perk and roberson too long. Robes has ability to D up well, but I've never seen a guy like him get minutes on a contender in the playoffs, and when I watch them now, I don't see anyone on other teams close to as bad as him on offense. If the guy could knock down corner 3s or dribble he'd be great, but he just cant.

So again, you've never seen Tony Allen or Moute.


Seen allen....he's better on offense and imo a better defender in his prime. My main gripe w roberson is he was getting those minutes on a championship ready team, which was a joke. He still doesn't deserve them now. And if you wanna say he's better than Luc Mbah a moute, fine, but what is that saying exactly?
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Post#609 » by spearsy23 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:58 am

This is the most bizarre argument ever. You asked for players on contending teams as bad offensively as robes, I named them, end of story.
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Post#610 » by hardenASG13 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:41 am

spearsy23 wrote:This is the most bizarre argument ever. You asked for players on contending teams as bad offensively as robes, I named them, end of story.


You named 2.....one of them is 35, the other one nobody would want. Thanks for proving my point
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Post#611 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:00 am

Anyways... Indiana is said to be willing to trade their first round draft pick for immediate help. Anyway we could benefit from this?
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Post#612 » by spearsy23 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:08 am

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spearsy23 wrote:This is the most bizarre argument ever. You asked for players on contending teams as bad offensively as robes, I named them, end of story.


You named 2.....one of them is 35, the other one nobody would want. Thanks for proving my point

Your point is that multiple contenders have/ have had guys like robes in their starting lineup? Okay, thank you for bringing this to our attention.
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Post#613 » by bondom34 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:39 am

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Sleestak? I'm just someone who played and watched bball all his life, think it's a shame roberson was trotted out there with kd and Westbrook these past few years, and also watching the opportunity this team had get squandered because they were loyal to guys like perk and roberson too long. Robes has ability to D up well, but I've never seen a guy like him get minutes on a contender in the playoffs, and when I watch them now, I don't see anyone on other teams close to as bad as him on offense. If the guy could knock down corner 3s or dribble he'd be great, but he just cant.

So again, you've never seen Tony Allen or Moute.


Seen allen....he's better on offense and imo a better defender in his prime. My main gripe w roberson is he was getting those minutes on a championship ready team, which was a joke. He still doesn't deserve them now. And if you wanna say he's better than Luc Mbah a moute, fine, but what is that saying exactly?

You say this with no evidence.

And you asked for examples, got 2 and now want to deny it.
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Post#614 » by Pillendreher » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:13 am

Knrstz wrote:Anyways... Indiana is said to be willing to trade their first round draft pick for immediate help. Anyway we could benefit from this?


Dump Kanter for it.
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Post#615 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:09 pm

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Knrstz wrote:Anyways... Indiana is said to be willing to trade their first round draft pick for immediate help. Anyway we could benefit from this?


Dump Kanter for it.


Is that realistic? Most people act like we would have to give up a pick to get someone to take Kanter.
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Post#616 » by Pillendreher » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:39 pm

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Knrstz wrote:Anyways... Indiana is said to be willing to trade their first round draft pick for immediate help. Anyway we could benefit from this?


Dump Kanter for it.


Is that realistic? Most people act like we would have to give up a pick to get someone to take Kanter.


I don't know. If Jahlil 'Anthony Bennett's 2nd coming' Okafor can get you a first, so should Kanter.
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Post#617 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:41 pm

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Dump Kanter for it.


Is that realistic? Most people act like we would have to give up a pick to get someone to take Kanter.


I don't know. If Jahlil 'Anthony Bennett's 2nd coming' Okafor can get you a first, so should Kanter.


What about Kanters salary? If we have to take on a crap player in return that hurts us. Unless it's an expiring contract.
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Post#618 » by Pillendreher » Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:34 pm

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Is that realistic? Most people act like we would have to give up a pick to get someone to take Kanter.


I don't know. If Jahlil 'Anthony Bennett's 2nd coming' Okafor can get you a first, so should Kanter.


What about Kanters salary? If we have to take on a crap player in return that hurts us. Unless it's an expiring contract.


Yeah that contract is gonna be a problem. That's why I think a deal for Matthews would be OK for both sides.
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Post#619 » by spearsy23 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:51 pm

Kanter is not a negative asset. How people watched last summer and think differently is beyond me.
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Post#620 » by Pillendreher » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:05 pm

spearsy23 wrote:Kanter is not a negative asset. How people watched last summer and think differently is beyond me.


I might be the biggest Anti-Kanter here, but even I agree with that. I think what it comes down to with Kanter is the need to keep two things separate:

1) The things you want him to do, but which most probably will never happen.

2) What he's already doing on the court.

He's never gonna be a defensive stopper. He's always gonna be a very good offensive player with superb instincts on that side of the floor. That's what you're gonna have to live with.

And I guess that's OK. We might get caught up in how terrible our bench performs, but we also need to acknowledge that most NBA players are flawed in more than one way.

I don't know if there will ever be a way to outperform opposing teams besides just scoring them off the floor with Kanter, but he can be a part of that at least. There are so, so many NBA players out there with the same kind of problems, just in other areas of the game.

Kanter's not gonna get you multiple picks or whatever, but he's not that bad.
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