Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[Mojo Amok]

Randy says we need a veteran type off the bench at the 2/3 to ease the load on John and Brad. great interview btw, actually made me sad that Witt isn't a part of this now.

sounds like he likes Barton though

Wait a minute, I totally read that as being "Brooks said..." and And'1'd for the scoop on the interview there (heads up on interviews always being appreciated).

Ok, "Randy said...", right.

He seemed like a good guy, but I'm not particularly nostalgic given the contrast between last year and this year.

[Dat2U]

We'd probably be .500 under Witt right now. I have no feelings of nostalgia towards him. He was here far too long.

[payitforward]

no no no no no, we are not trading Kelly Oubre for reggie F'ing Jackson. this deadline needs to hurry up and end so people can stop. This is the same stuff that people were saying about Otto Brad and Keef not too long ago. Develop talent, do not trade it for stopgap role players.

Hopefully people remember all the things they are saying about Oubre and Satoransky for whenever they break out.

I don't think Oubre should be untouchable and in a vacuum, I think the return on trade suggestion is pretty good. I just don't think Jackson is a fit skill or personality wise with our roster. If Jackson was routed to a third team and we got something decent in return I'd think hard about it.

I don't get it, tbh. Marcus Morris is not a good player. Reggie Jackson makes little sense as a back up PG. We get rid of Nicholson's contract; that's good. But moving Oubre in a deal like this is giving away too much potential development IMO. In essence, at that point we have a team whose youngest player was drafted in 2013.

[payitforward]

What concerns me about trading Oubre is that his body type is in high demand in today's league because the best way to defend is to switch everything and basically play a matchup zone. Guys with the agility to guard PG's and wings but the length to bother PF's are like gold. And you can tell Oubre really enjoys to play defense, even if he still has a lot to learn. I think he's a sure bet to be a quality player in the Trevor Ariza mold. He just needs a bit more lower body strength and overall seasoning. He's in a slump right now, but we all loved him in December and January.

You can't find those guys anymore, not without paying a fortune.

...Brooks plays Oubre plenty. I think the last few games have been tough for Oubre because Brooks is trying go figure out how to handle the rotation with Mahinmi back. Smith has been very good for us and I don't think Brooks feels it's right to unceremoniously park him on the end of the bench; so he's experimenting with a 10-man rotation. It's not going to work in the long run, but I'm not hating Brooks for trying. I think Smith has earned it.

In the long run, I think Smith is going to get benched and we're going to go back to a 9-man rotation with Oubre getting more minutes and Porter playing more PF. But these things take time.

Regarding Sato, I think the bottom line is that the 2nd unit is so poor offensively, that Brooks is having trouble finding room for Sato. Sato just isn't ready to run the offense at PG, and his unreliable jumper is allowing defense to sag off him and pack the paint. Brooks is trying to get him minutes, but it's difficult. He can't play Sato alongside Wall, and when he plays him alongside Brooks there is too much overall ineptitude in the backcourt. The only thing that seems to work at all is playing him alongside Beal.

Yes. & yes.

[keynote]

We'd probably be .500 under Witt right now. I have no feelings of nostalgia towards him. He was here far too long.

This. Wittman is the Mark Jackson of this story (hopefully).

[WarriorsLakers]

Lakers can now get 1st rounder from pistons, pacers, replies, bulls & rockets for Lou Williams

Without taking bad contract

[NatP4]

Lakers can now get 1st rounder from pistons, pacers, replies, bulls & rockets for Lou Williams

Without taking bad contract

Source

[J-Ves]

Lakers can now get 1st rounder from pistons, pacers, replies, bulls & rockets for Lou Williams

Without taking bad contract

Sounds like our offer has been beat. Enjoy your pick!

[keynote]

Lakers can now get 1st rounder from pistons, pacers, replies, bulls & rockets for Lou Williams

Without taking bad contract

Okay, I replied. How do I trade for Lou Williams?

[NatP4]

We'd probably be .500 under Witt right now. I have no feelings of nostalgia towards him. He was here far too long.

This. Wittman is the Mark Jackson of this story (hopefully).

what is marcus thornton in this story?

and you still hang around here after you hit it big time on TV? respect

[stevemcqueen1]

We'd probably be .500 under Witt right now. I have no feelings of nostalgia towards him. He was here far too long.

He never should have gotten the HC job. Giving it to him, without interviewing any other candidates, was sheer laziness on the part of Ted and Ernie. He was an awful coach leading an awful staff that stunted the growth of every single one of our young players. If we'd had a real coach from day one of John's career he's an MVP candidate right now and Brad is starting the All Star game and the both of them are pillars of Team USA. **** Ted and Ernie for **** away the first six years of John Wall's career with **** **** ass coaches like Randy.

[AFM]

Nivek posted multiple times about how coaching really doesn't play a role in the win loss column. The NBA, more than any other sport, is really about talent. But I think, we've shown the exception. Randy was really bad in retrospect. Our roster is actually worse than last year, and we are lightyears better as a team.

[NatP4]

We'd probably be .500 under Witt right now. I have no feelings of nostalgia towards him. He was here far too long.

He never should have gotten the HC job. Giving it to him, without interviewing any other candidates, was sheer laziness on the part of Ted and Ernie. He was an awful coach leading an awful staff that stunted the growth of every single one of our young players. If we'd had a real coach from day one of John's career he's an MVP candidate right now and Brad is starting the All Star game and the both of them are pillars of Team USA. **** Ted and Ernie for **** away the first six years of John Wall's career with **** **** ass coaches like Randy.

what? thats a little far, its not randys fault that john brad and otto had injury issues. wasn't his fault that we didn't have a starting power forward last year. I was one of the biggest randy haters out there, but he deserves credit for turning the team into a defensive minded team, changing the culture around here, and leading us to back to back 2nd round appearances.

[deneem4]

We might be getting Paul George next year

[TGW]

Lakers can now get 1st rounder from pistons, pacers, replies, bulls & rockets for Lou Williams

Without taking bad contract

Congrats for you.

[barelyawake]

I say this knowing the implications:
The cap
The contracts
His statistical regression
Etc

I honestly believe that with Deng and Lou, we have a shot at the NBA finals. Deng would be our filthy rich bench player (versus Mahinmi). Frankly, I like Smith better anyway. Deng would help us in terms of cred with the refs come playoff time (as Pierce did). He can play the 3 and 4, and really only needs to turn on the old Deng for twelve games. I have no specific trade to offer, only that comment. His contract makes it sound insane at first blush, but remember we already spent a ton on nonsense (that would be going out in the trade -- Burke, Nicholson, Mahinmi), and he would dominate coming off the bench. And the Lakers are motivated to dump him. Might need a third team. Depending on the trade (if a third team is added), we have Oubre, our pick and Sato to add. Worth exploring.

Wall/Lou
Beal/Oubre
Porter/Deng/Oubre
Keiff/Deng
Gortat/Smith

That's a serious team IMO.

[stevemcqueen1]

Nivek posted multiple times about how coaching really doesn't play a role in the win loss column. The NBA, more than any other sport, is really about talent. But I think, we've shown the exception. Randy was really bad in retrospect. Our roster is actually worse than last year, and we are lightyears better as a team.

I don't think we're an exception, Nivek is just wrong. Talent matters and so does coaching. Especially in the regular season. The good coaching staffs prepare for upcoming opponents better than others in the regular season, and they're far better at managing their rosters, developing their players, and making in game adjustments when their game plans aren't working. The end result is that they absolutely win more games in the regular season than bad coaches given the same exact talent to work with. Fred Hoiberg is a weak coach and he cant do anything with a team that's deeper than what Thibs won nearly 50 games with. Scott Brooks is going to push 60 wins next season with a roster that a trash coach like Randy Wittman could barely go .500 with. Coaching **** matters.

[stevemcqueen1]

If Scott Brooks had been coaching this team since 2013, we win 50 games in each of the previous three years and win 60 this year.

[stevemcqueen1]

Nivek is also wrong about Kelly Oubre. The kid is a stud and trading him for Marcus Morris or Reggie Jackson means we give up the best player in the deal and we're killing Ernie for it in three years.

[AFM]

Nivek is also wrong about Kelly Oubre. The kid is a stud and trading him for Marcus Morris or Reggie Jackson means we give up the best player in the deal and we're killing Ernie for it in three years.

I'd tell him to defend his position but he's a traitor to this board.
Literally left because he didn't like nate's posts in the politics thread (srs).