Potential sleepers

[GimmeDat]

I just saw the first I've really seen of Bruce Brown via DX, and I'm a really big fan. Excellent physical specimen for the PG position, competes hard on D, solid form on the J (and an improving shooter), and shows some instincts as a passer.

He's 20, but he sounds like a late bloomer. It's a cheesy comparison, but at first glance I can't help but wonder if he could be another 'Normal Powell' like 2nd round steal. Another comparison I guess could be made is he reminds me of when I was looking at Whitehead last year, and loved the competitiveness, rebounding, defense, etc. from the guard position. I think he's a much more fluid player with a higher ceiling than Whitehead, though. Appears to be, anyway. I'll have to watch some full games.

He is a better athlete and bigger than Whitehead though, he is old for this class, gonna be 21 as a rookie, but if the shooting is for real he is a guy to track and have in the top20 or so.
He is also a wing not a PG.

I agree, physically/athletically he's on another level to Whitehead. Whitehead is a great athlete in certain ways, but he always seemed a bit rigid. Brown is more fluid, more explosive, etc.

He probably projects more likely to be a 2 at the next level at this stage, but as I said, he seems like he might be a late bloomer - if he increases his skill level enough, he could be an effective PG, and that could really open up his potential.

He's in DX's 2018 mock and neither of nbadraft.net's... is there any chance he declares this year?

[doordoor123]

I just saw the first I've really seen of Bruce Brown via DX, and I'm a really big fan. Excellent physical specimen for the PG position, competes hard on D, solid form on the J (and an improving shooter), and shows some instincts as a passer.

He's 20, but he sounds like a late bloomer. It's a cheesy comparison, but at first glance I can't help but wonder if he could be another 'Normal Powell' like 2nd round steal. Another comparison I guess could be made is he reminds me of when I was looking at Whitehead last year, and loved the competitiveness, rebounding, defense, etc. from the guard position. I think he's a much more fluid player with a higher ceiling than Whitehead, though. Appears to be, anyway. I'll have to watch some full games.

He is a better athlete and bigger than Whitehead though, he is old for this class, gonna be 21 as a rookie, but if the shooting is for real he is a guy to track and have in the top20 or so.
He is also a wing not a PG.

I agree, physically/athletically he's on another level to Whitehead. Whitehead is a great athlete in certain ways, but he always seemed a bit rigid. Brown is more fluid, more explosive, etc.

He probably projects more likely to be a 2 at the next level at this stage, but as I said, he seems like he might be a late bloomer - if he increases his skill level enough, he could be an effective PG, and that could really open up his potential.

He's in DX's 2018 mock and neither of nbadraft.net's... is there any chance he declares this year?

He's a pro. I don't think he will declare this year unless he has a breakout game or two in the tournaments.

[MotownMadness]

I was going to come in too see if anyone mentioned Bruce Brown. I watched that DX video last night and came away very impressed.

[GritAndMind]

If they come out, J. Jeanne & Kurucs could be good international sleepers for teams picking at the end of 1st/top of 2nd.

Right now the choice has to be Josh Hart. Major comparisons to Brogdon who somehow was picked in 2nd round last year and Hart seems destined to be picked 10-15 spots too late though he is "hiding in plain sight" as one of the best players in college ball.

[doordoor123]

If they come out, J. Jeanne & Kurucs could be good international sleepers for teams picking at the end of 1st/top of 2nd.

Right now the choice has to be Josh Hart. Major comparisons to Brogdon who somehow was picked in 2nd round last year and Hart seems destined to be picked 10-15 spots too late though he is "hiding in plain sight" as one of the best players in college ball.

Think Jeanne will definitely be a steal and I'm sure he's going to be gone before the second round. I see Kurucs going in the late teens or early 20s. I really like his potential. Him and Terrance Ferguson I have pretty much in the same spot.

[GimmeDat]

If we're talking about them as as sleepers, DX has been pretty high on Kurucs for a while - i.e. having him in the lottery. I agree he looks very solid, though.

[reanimator]

Don't see the hype with Kurucs. IMO from the limited film I've seen and by NBA standards, good size with a solid handle and can shoot off the bounce, has some feel, but not creative in the least bit nor explosive. Maybe a Mike Dunleavy type.

[doordoor123]

Don't see the hype with Kurucs. IMO from the limited film I've seen and by NBA standards, good size with a solid handle and can shoot off the bounce, has some feel, but not creative in the least bit nor explosive. Maybe a Mike Dunleavy type.

He has good bounce, good first step, should be good defensively (moves very well laterally for his size), great arc to his shot, can shoot off the dribble and he has good energy. I think he's going to be good.

[jrob23]

If they come out, J. Jeanne & Kurucs could be good international sleepers for teams picking at the end of 1st/top of 2nd.

Right now the choice has to be Josh Hart. Major comparisons to Brogdon who somehow was picked in 2nd round last year and Hart seems destined to be picked 10-15 spots too late though he is "hiding in plain sight" as one of the best players in college ball.

Kurucs is an absolute stud on par with the best SF in this class because he is a great athlete with length and can do it all on offense. I can't see him lasting much longer than around 15 or so with potential for top 10. I agree that Jeanne might fall because he's a project and there are just too many great players capable of helping right away.

[doordoor123]

If they come out, J. Jeanne & Kurucs could be good international sleepers for teams picking at the end of 1st/top of 2nd.

Right now the choice has to be Josh Hart. Major comparisons to Brogdon who somehow was picked in 2nd round last year and Hart seems destined to be picked 10-15 spots too late though he is "hiding in plain sight" as one of the best players in college ball.

Kurucs is an absolute stud on par with the best SF in this class because he is a great athlete with length and can do it all on offense. I can't see him lasting much longer than around 15 or so with potential for top 10. I agree that Jeanne might fall because he's a project and there are just too many great players capable of helping right away.

He's a project, but he's an elite project. No way teams let another Gobert go as far back as he went.

[reanimator]

Don't see the hype with Kurucs. IMO from the limited film I've seen and by NBA standards, good size with a solid handle and can shoot off the bounce, has some feel, but not creative in the least bit nor explosive. Maybe a Mike Dunleavy type.

He has good bounce, good first step, should be good defensively (moves very well laterally for his size), great arc to his shot, can shoot off the dribble and he has good energy. I think he's going to be good.

I think you are vastly overrating his athleticism because you are not considering his competition.

[NewEra21]

Thoughts on Jordan Bell F Oregon and if he has the ability to sneak into the end of the first round?

[doordoor123]

Don't see the hype with Kurucs. IMO from the limited film I've seen and by NBA standards, good size with a solid handle and can shoot off the bounce, has some feel, but not creative in the least bit nor explosive. Maybe a Mike Dunleavy type.

He has good bounce, good first step, should be good defensively (moves very well laterally for his size), great arc to his shot, can shoot off the dribble and he has good energy. I think he's going to be good.

I think you are vastly overrating his athleticism because you are not considering his competition.

You don't have to consider his competition when viewing athleticism. Giannis Antetokounmpo was playing in the Greek A-2 basketball league and you could see his athleticism. When comparing that athleticism to the NBA athleticism, you can literally look at them side by side to see differences. I actually think he's MORE athletic than given credit for because he's standing at the three point line a lot and there will be much more space in the NBA.

[doordoor123]

Thoughts on Jordan Bell F Oregon and if he has the ability to sneak into the end of the first round?

Depends on how teams view him as a defender. He's older and can't really shoot, but his athleticism and finishing is strong. If he can defend teams will want him. If not, James White had a nice little career.

[reanimator]

He has good bounce, good first step, should be good defensively (moves very well laterally for his size), great arc to his shot, can shoot off the dribble and he has good energy. I think he's going to be good.

I think you are vastly overrating his athleticism because you are not considering his competition.

You don't have to consider his competition when viewing athleticism. Giannis Antetokounmpo was playing in the Greek A-2 basketball league and you could see his athleticism. When comparing that athleticism to the NBA athleticism, you can literally look at them side by side to see differences. I actually think he's MORE athletic than given credit for because he's standing at the three point line a lot and there will be much more space in the NBA.

Giannis looked EXPLOSIVE in his movements and obviously has far better physical tools. He is an outlier. I think Kurucs is very comparable Furkan Korkmaz....both are fluid but they aren't blowing past anybody or finishing over any anyone in the half-court.

[doordoor123]

I think you are vastly overrating his athleticism because you are not considering his competition.

You don't have to consider his competition when viewing athleticism. Giannis Antetokounmpo was playing in the Greek A-2 basketball league and you could see his athleticism. When comparing that athleticism to the NBA athleticism, you can literally look at them side by side to see differences. I actually think he's MORE athletic than given credit for because he's standing at the three point line a lot and there will be much more space in the NBA.

Giannis looked EXPLOSIVE in his movements and obviously has far better physical tools. He is an outlier. I think Kurucs is very comparable Furkan Korkmaz....both are fluid but they aren't blowing past anybody or finishing over any anyone in the half-court.

I disagree. I would relate him more to Timothe Luwawu-Cabarot.

[Curmudgeon]

Haven't read through the entire thread, but my 2017 vote goes to Alonzo Trier.

[RipCity71252]

Haven't read through the entire thread, but my 2017 vote goes to Alonzo Trier.

Idk, he's looked pretty bad the times I've seen him. The jumper has regressed and he looks pretty undersized despite a developed frame for a sg and not nearly quick enough to play the pg position.

[doordoor123]

Haven't read through the entire thread, but my 2017 vote goes to Alonzo Trier.

Idk, he's looked pretty bad the times I've seen him. The jumper has regressed and he looks pretty undersized despite a developed frame for a sg and not nearly quick enough to play the pg position.

He really hasn't been back for too long. I think he stays another year to improve his stock. I don't think he'll be the same this year. If he gets on a hot streak during the tournament I could see him declaring, but I doubt that happens. He's definitely a SG. I personally think he's going to have injuries his entire career. He just plays reckless when he drives to the basket. He has a good first step, but his handle isn't strong enough. When he drives, he pretty much can only drive in a strait line and has a hard time stopping.

[jrob23]

That bum Ben Lammers who will "go undrafted" helped beat Syracuse with 23 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists 7 blocks 3 steals. He had a couple of 15-17 footers, fade away off a spin move, several dunks and one above the rim alley oop. Not bad for someone who apparently can't jump!! /s Oh and he's been missing practice because of a bum ankle. 7 blocks!!!!

Can't see him lasting until the 2nd round but most teams are that dumb so.... I hope the Celtics can grab him in the 2nd if that happens. He's going to have a long productive NBA career.