Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread

[ChaosHamster]

So, you are bashing me because I actually became a fan of the team, because I like something about it? (and its not only KP).

Where you just randomly were born in NY..

I'am pretty sure people just understood what I meant.

Guy was comparing Ewing's first two seasons with KP`s. Where I just pointed out that Ewing was older in those, and KP still has time to reach that level when he will be 23-24.

Don't talk bull. Age shouldn't be in discussion. Kat, Jokic all are aggressive. So is Billy whenever he gets ball and somehow rose passes the ball to him more often than to Kris.

The sad fact is that KP might never be the alpha dog cause he just doesn't have the mentality.

Strength is just part of the problem and probably the easiest way to fix the issue. KP has to be smarter. Roam around court more when he doesn't have the ball, pick his poison against weaker opposition. Same goes for defensive and rebounds. 7'3 and team still gets out rebounded each game.

Maybe you've noticed that Kris loses any kind of interest about the game when ball is not reaching him on offense. That hurts the Knicks majorly.

While there are some problems that might be fixed with couple of deals, Kris with his game could help the team more if he was more assertive.


****, I just remembered, sometimes he doesn't even get the ball when his is the only starter with bench.

You keep talking about age and other nonsense while the only problem is in his head.

You might be right.. BUt why are you being so dramatic?

Yes, its possible he has some mental issues lately.. He doesn't feel so comfortable after an injury, situation in the team is somehow getting to him.. WHo knows what is bothering him..

Or, are you one of those "HE WILL NEVER BE AN ALPHA, DOESN"T HAVE IT IN HIS GENES".

Well, then I don't know what to tell you. Why the guy who isn't skilled enough, to be the main guy, and has a 15 year veteran alpha on his team, isn't an alpha. Its really not hard to figure out for yourself.

[battabing10]

Ewing never averaged under 20 and 8 during his first 13 seasons. This is not even counting his shot blocking and steals per game, which are better than KP's. I still hold to the idea that dominant players are usually evident at the lower levels which then translates to the NBA level. KP has never carried a team or been the alpha. This is much harder than it appears. Slow down and respect the greatness of players before dismissing it for the latest newest shiny toy.

while you make a decent point about respecting players like pat, patrick ewing was 23 in his first nba season. kp is 21 years old in his second season. even discounting that, their fairly even statistically their first 2 seasons per 36 minutes. as far as that "alpha" talk, I'll wait and see when he has the keys to see whether or not he has what it takes.

main thing is to get rid of rose and either get rid of melo or move melo to the bench. plus he's a euro so kp is not in the mindset of dominating/ball hogging in a team sport!! when he gets to wear a c on his jersey we'll see what's what. until then it's just hating to predict otherwise. it's bull to say oh he's got to demand the ball and whatnot. thats just the same as saying boohoo melo doesn't have teammates who will step up so he's all alone. again boohoo!!

[ny-n-md]

My only issue is comparing KP to Ewing. Too much pressure to live up to. Pat is being severely underrated considering his role and the times in which he played. Much more physical game and talented post bigs. The game has changed, style and physically. Pat was a beast when it was physically challenging and demanding of post players. He rebounded and protected the paint like a champ! He made many fear going all the way to the basket when he was near. KP bites on almost every pump fake and picks up silly fouls trailing for a block. His fundamentals need to improve. I still love the kid but he's not on Ewing's level now and it still remains to be seen whether he ever will.

[ny-n-md]

i'm not moving ****. it's the same argument i've been making since i jumped into this discussion. you obviously have reading comprehension issues so go back and read it again. you yourself said there's more to evaluating players than stats, is age not one of those things? cause you'd be the only one making the argument.

also, i don't need the history lesson on pat. you're not talking to some youngin who doesn't know his knick history but thanks.

Point taken, you joined the argument midstream. My post is directed at the argument as a whole even though I quoted you. Age is a factor but you don't get a pass when career games are being recorded. They count. Right now we have no idea how his numbers will look in two years. Have we not seen players come on the scene and appear to be headed towards stardom only to regress and be forgotten? Once the book is out and adjustments are made some players never achieve what the hype suggested. We are assuming a lot about KP. I'm saying Patrick Ewing's demeanor would not be as a passive as KP has been. We are comparing him to arguably the greatest Knick of all time. This is where I preach caution. We will turn on this kid so fast it's ridiculous. Let him grow into what type of player he will become. Does anybody truly believe he is comparable to Ewing? Age or no age? He displays the same dominance the Hoya Destoyer displayed?

Me Personally I would not even keep defending your argument. Dudes Saying KP> Ewing are bugging. Imagine KP first two years in Ewings NBA


If we are at the Point where fans think KP is better than Ewing. Then Shaq better watch out.

You're right, I need to let it go.

[xsaberx]

Point taken, you joined the argument midstream. My post is directed at the argument as a whole even though I quoted you. Age is a factor but you don't get a pass when career games are being recorded. They count. Right now we have no idea how his numbers will look in two years. Have we not seen players come on the scene and appear to be headed towards stardom only to regress and be forgotten? Once the book is out and adjustments are made some players never achieve what the hype suggested. We are assuming a lot about KP. I'm saying Patrick Ewing's demeanor would not be as a passive as KP has been. We are comparing him to arguably the greatest Knick of all time. This is where I preach caution. We will turn on this kid so fast it's ridiculous. Let him grow into what type of player he will become. Does anybody truly believe he is comparable to Ewing? Age or no age? He displays the same dominance the Hoya Destoyer displayed?

Me Personally I would not even keep defending your argument. Dudes Saying KP> Ewing are bugging. Imagine KP first two years in Ewings NBA


If we are at the Point where fans think KP is better than Ewing. Then Shaq better watch out.

You're right, I need to let it go.

Give KP time. If you want to compare him to Ewing give him this year and then two more before you start. Ewing played 4 years in college. I don't think we should be making any conclusions with this KP until he's about 24. Ewing was 24 when he started playing in the league. Ewing would not have been better than KP if he came in at age 20. KP has a lot of potential. I think his mind and attitude are actually quite good. You also have to consider that most players will NOT mentally make it in New York - it's a rough place - but I think he can do it - I think he has a good shot. We have to get the right players around him, so that he can feel a brotherhood with them. He got what he can from Melo, I don't think Rose has anything to offer him.

At age 24 Ewing (his first year in the NBA):
20ppg
9rpg
2blk
47.4% from 2 point range
0% from 3 point range
47.4% Effective field goal rating

Right now, at age 21, KP:
18.3ppg
7.1rpg
2blk
48% from 2 point range
38.5% from 3 point range
51.2% Effective field goal rating

[drekwins]

So, you are bashing me because I actually became a fan of the team, because I like something about it? (and its not only KP).

Where you just randomly were born in NY..

BS, unless you have roots, there's nothing else to like! The only other positive is the fan turnout at games. This franchise sucks but what keeps most of us here is that we love the team. The individual players come and go. True fan's don't. If KP has a career ending injury or something happens, will you be a fan still? Don't get me wrong. I love basketball. I love watching Kahwi, Westbrook, etc. but when there's national games on TV, I'm still tuned into the Knicks...even when I don't want to be and know I'm wasting my life. I may flip back and forth when the Cavs, SA, and GS play each other but that's pretty much it.

I don't get your point. Are you trying to say that long-term fans are only ones who have some roots in NY? And there is noone who joined for whatever reason. Liked how 90`s Knicks played, was a fan of player in college, and started to follow him in NBA, or just liked basketball and choose to root for the Knicks (like a lot of non-americans do). And then just stayed for a long time.

Now I'am a mostly KP fan, I'am not denying that, but do you think, after he spends, lets say 10 or 15 years in NY, and than retires or goes to finish his career elsewhere, I will just that.. forget those 10-15 years of following and rooting for the Knicks? I don't think so..

Long-term? That's not necessarily true. Younger fans can be true fans. Roots aren't the only way to be a fan. If you legitimately begin liking a team and stick with them only, great. I know several fans of clubs like the: Sun's, Magic, etc. They're fans of the team through good and bad.

Someone converting to a Knicks fan after the age of 18 is very suspect to me. Personally, I don't think that many people that suddenly start to like the Knicks later on in their life are very passionate about it. I believe that to be true about most sports and sports teams. Of course, there's exceptions but they're few and far between. Being new to the country, culture and no previous exposure to the sport are some very understandable reasons. However, jumping teams and bandwagon fans aren't very respected, in general.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Who cares who became a fan when? I basically taught my mom basketball through when I was playing in middle school, HS, AAU, etc and now she's a big Knicks fan. You can become a fan at any point for whatever reason.

[drekwins]

i'm not moving ****. it's the same argument i've been making since i jumped into this discussion. you obviously have reading comprehension issues so go back and read it again. you yourself said there's more to evaluating players than stats, is age not one of those things? cause you'd be the only one making the argument.

also, i don't need the history lesson on pat. you're not talking to some youngin who doesn't know his knick history but thanks.

I don't think you comprehend how good and how much better Ewing was. To put it in today's terms, Ewing was every bit as much of a star as KD, Steph, Harden, CP3, Leonard, etc. Except, he maintained that level for roughly 15 years. His impact was on the same level as anyone in the game except for Jordan. Olajuwon was great too but I don't think that either team would have made that trade back then. Towards the end of his prime, there was trade talk of Ewing for Shaq. Either way, the list is short and we're talking about teams willing to trade some of the best players EVER straight up for Ewing. He was that good.

it's legitimately like talking to a brick wall with some of you. it truly is.

That's a great statement justifying your argument.

[thebuzzardman]

Who cares who became a fan when? I basically taught my mom basketball through when I was playing in middle school, HS, AAU, etc and now she's a big Knicks fan. You can become a fan at any point for whatever reason.

You caused your mom to become a Knick fan?

Are you still welcome home on the holidays?

[NBA Fan 1234]

Who cares who became a fan when? I basically taught my mom basketball through when I was playing in middle school, HS, AAU, etc and now she's a big Knicks fan. You can become a fan at any point for whatever reason.

You caused your mom to become a Knick fan?

Are you still welcome home on the holidays?

Walked right into that one. Well played, sir. Very very well played.

[Marty McFly]

Me Personally I would not even keep defending your argument. Dudes Saying KP> Ewing are bugging. Imagine KP first two years in Ewings NBA


If we are at the Point where fans think KP is better than Ewing. Then Shaq better watch out.

You're right, I need to let it go.

Give KP time. If you want to compare him to Ewing give him this year and then two more before you start. Ewing played 4 years in college. I don't think we should be making any conclusions with this KP until he's about 24. Ewing was 24 when he started playing in the league. Ewing would not have been better than KP if he came in at age 20. KP has a lot of potential. I think his mind and attitude are actually quite good. You also have to consider that most players will NOT mentally make it in New York - it's a rough place - but I think he can do it - I think he has a good shot. We have to get the right players around him, so that he can feel a brotherhood with them. He got what he can from Melo, I don't think Rose has anything to offer him.

At age 24 Ewing (his first year in the NBA):
20ppg
9rpg
2blk
47.4% from 2 point range
0% from 3 point range
47.4% Effective field goal rating

Right now, at age 21, KP:
18.3ppg
7.1rpg
2blk
48% from 2 point range
38.5% from 3 point range
51.2% Effective field goal rating

you're wasting your time with these people. context doesn't matter to them. they're the same people who'd be jumping down a 21 year old pat's throat if he were in kp's position.

[IllmaticHandler]

Who cares who became a fan when? I basically taught my mom basketball through when I was playing in middle school, HS, AAU, etc and now she's a big Knicks fan. You can become a fan at any point for whatever reason.

Ok. Thats your philosophy not mine. People who become fans of teams just for a player yet really don't care about the team like that are sus.

[magnumt]

I don't think (right now) that KP is better than Ewing was at his age (HUGE Ewing fan).

BUT, I hope you fans today realize that Ewing didn't make a title run UNTIL about his EIGHT year in the League ( MJackson trade).

This is KP's SECOND fuqn year. Some of yall clowns just need to CHILL THE FUQ OUT!



He dropped like 24 & 10 in the Rising Stars game after having like 30+ last year. Last night, KP looked BRILLIANT with a REAL PG (jokic)!

He went from scoring 14 PPG year one, to about 18 PPG year two, WITHOUT adding any real scoring moves yet.

Can you imagine what'll be like once he does?!?!

--Mags

[drekwins]

I don't think (right now) that KP is better than Ewing was at his age (HUGE Ewing fan).

BUT, I hope you fans today realize that Ewing didn't make a title run UNTIL about his EIGHT year in the League ( MJackson trade).

This is KP's SECOND fuqn year. Some of yall clowns just need to CHILL THE FUQ OUT!



He dropped like 24 & 10 in the Rising Stars game after having like 30+ last year. Last night, KP looked BRILLIANT with a REAL PG (jokic)!

He went from scoring 14 PPG year one, to about 18 PPG year two, WITHOUT adding any real scoring moves yet.

Can you imagine what'll be like once he does?!?!

--Mags

My problem isn't KP. He has obviously shown a ton of promise. It's the KP diehards that started this by saying that KP is better than Ewing. That's the only reason that this conversation started. To me, that's disrespectful. Time will tell what the ultimate legacy of KP is but respect the greats before you go knighting someone (not you specifically).

[IllmaticHandler]

I don't think (right now) that KP is better than Ewing was at his age (HUGE Ewing fan).

BUT, I hope you fans today realize that Ewing didn't make a title run UNTIL about his EIGHT year in the League ( MJackson trade).

This is KP's SECOND fuqn year. Some of yall clowns just need to CHILL THE FUQ OUT!



He dropped like 24 & 10 in the Rising Stars game after having like 30+ last year. Last night, KP looked BRILLIANT with a REAL PG (jokic)!

He went from scoring 14 PPG year one, to about 18 PPG year two, WITHOUT adding any real scoring moves yet.

Can you imagine what'll be like once he does?!?!

--Mags

At that point he might become better than Ewing. But saying KP> Ewing right now is crazy. As you said right now he not better. Put KP in Ewings NBA and might have been riding the bench till he was 23. Lets not forget when dudes like Jermaine O neal had to ride the pine for a minute cause they was so weak.

[magnumt]

I don't think (right now) that KP is better than Ewing was at his age (HUGE Ewing fan).

BUT, I hope you fans today realize that Ewing didn't make a title run UNTIL about his EIGHT year in the League ( MJackson trade).

This is KP's SECOND fuqn year. Some of yall clowns just need to CHILL THE FUQ OUT!



He dropped like 24 & 10 in the Rising Stars game after having like 30+ last year. Last night, KP looked BRILLIANT with a REAL PG (jokic)!

He went from scoring 14 PPG year one, to about 18 PPG year two, WITHOUT adding any real scoring moves yet.

Can you imagine what'll be like once he does?!?!

--Mags

At that point he might become better than Ewing. But saying KP> Ewing right now is crazy. As you said right now he not better. Put KP in Ewings NBA and might have been riding the bench till he was 23. Lets not forget when dudes like Jermaine O neal had to ride the pine for a minute cause they was so weak.

There's diehards everywhere tho. You know our board is full of bickering idiots who say stupid sh*t!

--Mags

[IllmaticHandler]

I don't think (right now) that KP is better than Ewing was at his age (HUGE Ewing fan).

BUT, I hope you fans today realize that Ewing didn't make a title run UNTIL about his EIGHT year in the League ( MJackson trade).

This is KP's SECOND fuqn year. Some of yall clowns just need to CHILL THE FUQ OUT!



He dropped like 24 & 10 in the Rising Stars game after having like 30+ last year. Last night, KP looked BRILLIANT with a REAL PG (jokic)!

He went from scoring 14 PPG year one, to about 18 PPG year two, WITHOUT adding any real scoring moves yet.

Can you imagine what'll be like once he does?!?!

--Mags

At that point he might become better than Ewing. But saying KP> Ewing right now is crazy. As you said right now he not better. Put KP in Ewings NBA and might have been riding the bench till he was 23. Lets not forget when dudes like Jermaine O neal had to ride the pine for a minute cause they was so weak.

There's diehards everywhere tho. You know our board is full of bickering idiots who say stupid sh*t!

--Mags

I guess, but its like one poster said thats kinda of disrespectful to even say that.

I personally don't care about the numbers vs the two. In my eyes, the ONLY way KP passes Ewing is winning a Chip. Its the only thing Ewing could not deliver. Numbers are Numbers at this point for me. Knicks had a ton of players that had nice numbers, how many have delivered the goods. KP delivers the Goods, I would help build a statue for him if he is the Main Cog in that.

[magnumt]

Pass him? I'd be happy if just ties him, Dirk, or Pau.

--Mags

[NYKHardKnock]

Pat was a balanced player coming out of college like KAT. But I do think KP has top-20 all time potential if he works on his conditioning and gains a few moves in his arsenal

[ny-n-md]

Pat was a balanced player coming out of college like KAT. But I do think KP has top-20 all time potential if he works on his conditioning and gains a few moves in his arsenal

it's getting out of control
Top 20?
This league has seen plenty great players. Slow down and let him prove what type of talent he is.