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spearsy23 wrote:Kanter is not a negative asset. How people watched last summer and think differently is beyond me.
bisme37 wrote:If there were magnets in basketballs so strong they changed the path of the ball as it flew through the air, wouldn't the ball then stick magnetically to the rim when it got there?
Knrstz wrote:spearsy23 wrote:Kanter is not a negative asset. How people watched last summer and think differently is beyond me.
Who said he's a negative asset? If he gets us a first round draft pick, that's not a negative asset. I don't know Indiana's salary cap situation but I would be surprised if they can take him for nothing.
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Knrstz wrote:Pillendreher wrote:Knrstz wrote:Anyways... Indiana is said to be willing to trade their first round draft pick for immediate help. Anyway we could benefit from this?
Dump Kanter for it.
Is that realistic? Most people act like we would have to give up a pick to get someone to take Kanter.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
spearsy23 wrote:This deadline feels like it's going to be all smoke and no fire from all sides. Really hope I'm wrong.
bisme37 wrote:If there were magnets in basketballs so strong they changed the path of the ball as it flew through the air, wouldn't the ball then stick magnetically to the rim when it got there?
Knrstz wrote:Vic may be a very good deal in a few years, but as it stands he'll be making more than Klay Thompson next year. The NBA is a talent accumulation business and 3 out of 4 of the guys we are paying for aren't worth it right now, in my opinion.
Kizz Fastfists wrote:Knrstz wrote:Vic may be a very good deal in a few years, but as it stands he'll be making more than Klay Thompson next year. The NBA is a talent accumulation business and 3 out of 4 of the guys we are paying for aren't worth it right now, in my opinion.
Klay Thmopson signed a max contract. He just did it before the TV money spiked the salary cap. You really can't compare the contracts from before the TV money and after because of the significant increase in the money pool. The Warriors just happened to get their guys to be up for contracts before the TV money then the spike in the cap made them the going rate for good players and not max contracts. The real thing going for GS is that Curry had injuries early that limited his contract. If Curry would have signed a max when he was a RFA then last off-season wouldn't have been able to play out like it did. Instead they had Klay and Draymond on old max contracts, similar to Kanter's max contract, and Curry on a dirt cheap deal.
The only player that is being overpaid by OKC right now, or will be next year, is Kanter. Based on current cap conditions Oladipo and Adams will be worth more than their contracts next year. The problem is the old max contracts still have a few years to drop off so if you have no understanding of the cap and contracts it appears they are overpaid because of the massive gap in the old max and the current max. Even Crabbe is making more than Klay Thompson because of the massive change in the cap.
Knrstz wrote:spearsy23 wrote:This deadline feels like it's going to be all smoke and no fire from all sides. Really hope I'm wrong.
I definitely dont understand the salary cap as well as others. From what I can tell the contracts given to our top 4 guys were all fair, but they were given early since the new CBA. Vic may be a very good deal in a few years, but as it stands he'll be making more than Klay Thompson next year. The NBA is a talent accumulation business and 3 out of 4 of the guys we are paying for aren't worth it right now, in my opinion. Sure they may get as good or a better deal somewhere else, but that's the name of the game in the NBA. You have stars or you're forced to overpay for someone else. I don't know that this team can be championship-good in russ' remaining career if he stays. What I worry Is that Presti's plan is to pretty much give it a go long term with the current guys.
Kizz Fastfists wrote:Knrstz wrote:Vic may be a very good deal in a few years, but as it stands he'll be making more than Klay Thompson next year. The NBA is a talent accumulation business and 3 out of 4 of the guys we are paying for aren't worth it right now, in my opinion.
Klay Thmopson signed a max contract. He just did it before the TV money spiked the salary cap. You really can't compare the contracts from before the TV money and after because of the significant increase in the money pool. The Warriors just happened to get their guys to be up for contracts before the TV money then the spike in the cap made them the going rate for good players and not max contracts. The real thing going for GS is that Curry had injuries early that limited his contract. If Curry would have signed a max when he was a RFA then last off-season wouldn't have been able to play out like it did. Instead they had Klay and Draymond on old max contracts, similar to Kanter's max contract, and Curry on a dirt cheap deal.
The only player that is being overpaid by OKC right now, or will be next year, is Kanter. Based on current cap conditions Oladipo and Adams will be worth more than their contracts next year. The problem is the old max contracts still have a few years to drop off so if you have no understanding of the cap and contracts it appears they are overpaid because of the massive gap in the old max and the current max. Even Crabbe is making more than Klay Thompson because of the massive change in the cap.
bisme37 wrote:If there were magnets in basketballs so strong they changed the path of the ball as it flew through the air, wouldn't the ball then stick magnetically to the rim when it got there?
Knrstz wrote:That's what I'm saying,but you articulated it better. At what point does Oladipo's contract become a bargain where we can benefit be trading him Or Kanter? We're basically screwed from every angle possible. Unless we do an entire rebuild, how do we get cash to sign better players? How do we trade players with expensive contracts for assets or other better players?
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Kizz Fastfists wrote:Knrstz wrote:That's what I'm saying,but you articulated it better. At what point does Oladipo's contract become a bargain where we can benefit be trading him Or Kanter? We're basically screwed from every angle possible. Unless we do an entire rebuild, how do we get cash to sign better players? How do we trade players with expensive contracts for assets or other better players?
There is no way to cash them in without doing a total rebuild at this point. Unless some team gets stupid and only give OKC a shot at a star player and takes what is offered OKC can't win a bidding war for a win now player. OKC does have some very nice win now pieces to move. They just don't have enough to be relevant for a championship anytime soon.
Theoretically, they could move Oladipo and Kanter for picks. If you assume they could then combine their picks to get into the top 8 of this draft then use their cap space to add another significant piece they could, in theory, upgrade the roster. The problem is you wouldn't see the return until '19-'20 and at that point Russ is 30 and about to start his decline. That means your draft pick would need to be as good as Russ was in his 3rd year for you to really gain anything. Otherwise you don't get the upgrade that you need to have a chance to contend.
bisme37 wrote:If there were magnets in basketballs so strong they changed the path of the ball as it flew through the air, wouldn't the ball then stick magnetically to the rim when it got there?
Knrstz wrote:Kizz Fastfists wrote:Knrstz wrote:That's what I'm saying,but you articulated it better. At what point does Oladipo's contract become a bargain where we can benefit be trading him Or Kanter? We're basically screwed from every angle possible. Unless we do an entire rebuild, how do we get cash to sign better players? How do we trade players with expensive contracts for assets or other better players?
There is no way to cash them in without doing a total rebuild at this point. Unless some team gets stupid and only give OKC a shot at a star player and takes what is offered OKC can't win a bidding war for a win now player. OKC does have some very nice win now pieces to move. They just don't have enough to be relevant for a championship anytime soon.
Theoretically, they could move Oladipo and Kanter for picks. If you assume they could then combine their picks to get into the top 8 of this draft then use their cap space to add another significant piece they could, in theory, upgrade the roster. The problem is you wouldn't see the return until '19-'20 and at that point Russ is 30 and about to start his decline. That means your draft pick would need to be as good as Russ was in his 3rd year for you to really gain anything. Otherwise you don't get the upgrade that you need to have a chance to contend.
If you're Presti and your job is to build around Russ, what do you do? Also, remember that Royce young said the thunders untouchables are Russ, Adams and Collison.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
spearsy23 wrote:Knrstz wrote:Kizz Fastfists wrote:
There is no way to cash them in without doing a total rebuild at this point. Unless some team gets stupid and only give OKC a shot at a star player and takes what is offered OKC can't win a bidding war for a win now player. OKC does have some very nice win now pieces to move. They just don't have enough to be relevant for a championship anytime soon.
Theoretically, they could move Oladipo and Kanter for picks. If you assume they could then combine their picks to get into the top 8 of this draft then use their cap space to add another significant piece they could, in theory, upgrade the roster. The problem is you wouldn't see the return until '19-'20 and at that point Russ is 30 and about to start his decline. That means your draft pick would need to be as good as Russ was in his 3rd year for you to really gain anything. Otherwise you don't get the upgrade that you need to have a chance to contend.
If you're Presti and your job is to build around Russ, what do you do? Also, remember that Royce young said the thunders untouchables are Russ, Adams and Collison.
Level with Russ and ask what he wants. Tell him we can either build the best win now team possible and still not have near the talent of golden state, or take huge risks that may not pan out before the end of his prime. My guess is he'd prefer the win now choice and take his shot at them as the best player in the game. It's improbable we won a championship either way but my guess is it's boom or bust vs high floor low ceiling.
bisme37 wrote:If there were magnets in basketballs so strong they changed the path of the ball as it flew through the air, wouldn't the ball then stick magnetically to the rim when it got there?
Knrstz wrote:spearsy23 wrote:Knrstz wrote:
If you're Presti and your job is to build around Russ, what do you do? Also, remember that Royce young said the thunders untouchables are Russ, Adams and Collison.
Level with Russ and ask what he wants. Tell him we can either build the best win now team possible and still not have near the talent of golden state, or take huge risks that may not pan out before the end of his prime. My guess is he'd prefer the win now choice and take his shot at them as the best player in the game. It's improbable we won a championship either way but my guess is it's boom or bust vs high floor low ceiling.
I agree that's what I think is most likely to happen. What I wonder about is what is a "win now" team? Do you move your young guys like Abrines and Sabonis? Do you move Oladipo and Kanter too? I don't think any of our guys are really win now guys besides Russ and Adams.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
Knrstz wrote:If you're Presti and your job is to build around Russ, what do you do? Also, remember that Royce young said the thunders untouchables are Russ, Adams and Collison.
Kizz Fastfists wrote:Knrstz wrote:If you're Presti and your job is to build around Russ, what do you do? Also, remember that Royce young said the thunders untouchables are Russ, Adams and Collison.
I ask Russ if he wants a shot at a championship. I tell him very clearly that he has no chance at that in OKC. If he's going to be happy being the best player on a fringe playoff team then I ride out what I have for the foreseeable future. If he says he wants to win a championship I trade him to Boston. If Russ is happy not having any shot at a championship I don't have to do anything. If Russ wants a shot at a championship I can't do anything but trade him to a team that can give him that chance, because I've already lost him.
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bondom34 wrote:Boston? They're not winning a championship either.
bisme37 wrote:If there were magnets in basketballs so strong they changed the path of the ball as it flew through the air, wouldn't the ball then stick magnetically to the rim when it got there?
Knrstz wrote:bondom34 wrote:Boston? They're not winning a championship either.
If you add Russ to their team they become much closer than we are. They are a contender in the east without him. We are the Brooklyn nets without him.
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bondom34 wrote:Knrstz wrote:bondom34 wrote:Boston? They're not winning a championship either.
If you add Russ to their team they become much closer than we are. They are a contender in the east without him. We are the Brooklyn nets without him.
They've got Thomas, and Russ can't play off ball. To boot, they're still not better than the Cavs and by the time Lebron is done, Crowder, Bradley, Smart, and Thomas are due huge contracts. They're no more contenders than anyone else.
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