Luka Doncic

[UcanUwill]

OR maybe hes just good at drawing fouls? Haven't thought about that? Your boy Spanoulis gets the same calls all the time too.

[Bob8]

Going by those highlights he was guarded by Hanga literally in 2 plays.One where he got a bs foul call,and one where he got a really questionable foul call.Otherwise it was monster defenders like Laprovitolla,Luz and Beaboi guarding him(with Bargani and Voigtman not even pretending to play any kind of defense as help defenders.)


Sidenote Spanish league seem to know they got a crowd magnet so he gets Harden style of calls in his favor.That and one at 0.15,my god.. Not to mention Real shouldnt even play after what was one of the worst roberries against Andora in the quarter final.

Nice to see you don't find any positive words for 17 years old kid, who is one of the best players in Coppa del Ray. Having Pir 23 and 26, the best +-, almost triple double in first and 23 points in second game. I didn't aspect anything else from you.

The part about the refs is 100% true. I already mentioned it a couple times. Of course people tried to pretend it isn't true and I was making it up. I'm not, and neither is peja_the_legend - it is most definitely absolutely 100% true.

I've never seen a player in European basketball get so babied and so protected as Doncic is. The refs are helping him to a tremendous degree. What he is doing at his age is still extremely impressive, but let's not pretend the refs are not hugely helping him, because they most definitely are. No other players in Europe ever get these kinds of calls.

School kids scores 23 in Spanish cup semifinal, but he didn't do it against NBA defensive monsters, so lets discredit it all. Some people really need to *** off.

If I am correct, they play Valencia in the final today. Not very well familiar with Valencia's roster, so I took a look. Not a very good looking roster to be honest, I think Real is a clear favorite. Fernando San Emeterio is probably the most famous player out there,

The people claiming that no players in Europe have athleticism or defense, and that all NCAA players and NBA players are more athletic and better defenders than all players in Europe are obviously not to be taken seriously. Just put them on ignore. We shouldn't even be acknowledging or responding to such ridiculous claims.

As far as Valencia goes, they have a good team. It's got the 3rd biggest budget in the Spanish League (after Real Madrid and Barca), and all of their players are pretty decent. No stars in the team at all, but 12 guys that can play and a competent coach.

what about Nando de Colo, Spanoulis and Langford?

he draws 2.5 fouls per game in Euroleague and has drawed 4 in Coppa del Ray. Let's say half of them was exaggerated, would that really significantly change his performance?

[Bob8]

Nice to see you don't find any positive words for 17 years old kid, who is one of the best players in Coppa del Ray. Having Pir 23 and 26, the best +-, almost triple double in first and 23 points in second game. I didn't aspect anything else from you.

The part about the refs is 100% true. I already mentioned it a couple times. Of course people tried to pretend it isn't true and I was making it up. I'm not, and neither is peja_the_legend - it is most definitely absolutely 100% true.

I've never seen a player in European basketball get so babied and so protected as Doncic is. The refs are helping him to a tremendous degree. What he is doing at his age is still extremely impressive, but let's not pretend the refs are not hugely helping him, because they most definitely are. No other players in Europe ever get these kinds of calls.

School kids scores 23 in Spanish cup semifinal, but he didn't do it against NBA defensive monsters, so lets discredit it all. Some people really need to *** off.

If I am correct, they play Valencia in the final today. Not very well familiar with Valencia's roster, so I took a look. Not a very good looking roster to be honest, I think Real is a clear favorite. Fernando San Emeterio is probably the most famous player out there,

The people claiming that no players in Europe have athleticism or defense, and that all NCAA players and NBA players are more athletic and better defenders than all players in Europe are obviously not to be taken seriously. Just put them on ignore. We shouldn't even be acknowledging or responding to such ridiculous claims.

As far as Valencia goes, they have a good team. It's got the 3rd biggest budget in the Spanish League (after Real Madrid and Barca), and all of their players are pretty decent. No stars in the team at all, but 12 guys that can play and a competent coach.

what about Nando de Colo, Spanoulis and Langford?

he draws 2.5 fouls per game in Euroleague and has drawed 4 per game in Coppa del Ray. Let's say half of them was exaggerated, would that really significantly change his performance?

[Bob8]

Doncic had a great Copa del Ray, 3 games in 4 days, 2 great and 1 o.k, 2 overtimes and winning the title. What more can anybody expect from 17 years old kid?

Imho I haven't anything more to say about Doncic. It's the end off the road for me in this forum. We will see what future will bring to Doncic. Bye.

[Mirotic12]

The part about the refs is 100% true. I already mentioned it a couple times. Of course people tried to pretend it isn't true and I was making it up. I'm not, and neither is peja_the_legend - it is most definitely absolutely 100% true.

I've never seen a player in European basketball get so babied and so protected as Doncic is. The refs are helping him to a tremendous degree. What he is doing at his age is still extremely impressive, but let's not pretend the refs are not hugely helping him, because they most definitely are. No other players in Europe ever get these kinds of calls.



The people claiming that no players in Europe have athleticism or defense, and that all NCAA players and NBA players are more athletic and better defenders than all players in Europe are obviously not to be taken seriously. Just put them on ignore. We shouldn't even be acknowledging or responding to such ridiculous claims.

As far as Valencia goes, they have a good team. It's got the 3rd biggest budget in the Spanish League (after Real Madrid and Barca), and all of their players are pretty decent. No stars in the team at all, but 12 guys that can play and a competent coach.

what about Nando de Colo, Spanoulis and Langford?

he draws 2.5 fouls per game in Euroleague and has drawed 4 per game in Coppa del Ray. Let's say half of them was exaggerated, would that really significantly change his performance?

De Colo gets some help from the refs, just a little. Langford and Spanoulis get no help at all from refs. Spanoulis is never given a foul on a drive to the basket unless he is hit very hard and he does not enter the defender's space. He might occasionally get an undeserved foul on a flop - like once in 5-6 games or something, but he also gets called for a technical on that usually if he tries it.

De Colo does get some help here and there, but not anything even remotely in the same amount as Doncic. Anyone watching EuroLeague, and that understands it has totally different foul rules than NBA, knows that Doncic is being given a huge amount of help by the refs that no other players in EuroLeague get.

The guy that got the by far most help from the refs in EuroLeague was Dimitris Diamantidis - he was like EuroLeague's version of D-Whistle. Yet, by comparison to Doncic, Diamantidis would have gotten poor treatment from the refs.

We can talk all we want here about what Doncic is doing, but pretending the refs are not clearly babying him and helping him because he's 17 is just flat out nonsense. It's so obvious to anyone with any shred of objectivity. I'm not really attacking the refs over this - they babied Rubio in Europe also, until he got to about 19-20, then they stopped.

It's probably just human nature, that the refs just think something like, "this kid Rubio, this kid Doncic, this is literally a kid here, that is in high school, playing against grown men that are professionals"....and that just somehow psychologically leads them to help the kids out, even if they maybe don't intend to do so. That would be my guess.

[Johnny Firpo]

Get of Doncic nut please. Show me one succesful multiple all star, hall of fame SF/SG european who played in the NBA? Because of that I have no trust in Euro shooting guards or SF, funniest thing I already saw on twitter last weekend an article where they compared Doncic to Lebron in terms of game and hype around both of them Doncic (right now), and when Lebron was in hs, I was laughing so hard... like are you serious?

How many super-skilled guard prospects came to the NBA at a young age? Because I swear I can't remember a single one. Who was it that failed, but was supposed to succeed?

Tbh I can think of maybe two/three european players who played SG/SF who were all stars/hof Peja, Petrovic and maybe Marciulonis, just maybe because he is a hall of famer and I loved his euro step. Ok Giannis is emerging, but who else?

Again, was there even anybody else with great potential, drafted high, who failed? Maybe Gallo? But he is pretty close to the All-Star level when healthy. Borderline All-Star level for sure. So who was the super-skilled European draftee who got drafted in the lottery, and failed to become a good or great NBA player? The fact that Karasev didn't do it tells us anything? Or Belinelli? Were they ever expected to become stars?

I ain't seeing in him shooting like Peja or Petrovic, or body and physical tools like Giannis has, because pre draft he had one of the best body types the scouts have ever seen.

Well in that case it's clear that you don't watch him enough, because he is absolutely an elite shooter, and probably a better shooter at 17 than those guys were, or most certainly close to them. Of course if you compare him to peak Peja and Petronic, he is not as good, but why would you do that?

What is Doncic can't miss skill/attribute for NBA? Gosh I hope that he pan out, like yall are here saying. If not then....

Shooting, passing, size, defensive instincts, rebounding, and the famous "feel for the game" attribute, which you can of course throw out, it's fair, but he is still an amazing prospect. I mean, I can't understand how anybody could deny this. He is the best 17-year-old in the world, with a supremely skilled all around game, why would you doubt that this will translate, especially in a year where Jokic is toying with the league?

[Bob8]

what about Nando de Colo, Spanoulis and Langford?

he draws 2.5 fouls per game in Euroleague and has drawed 4 per game in Coppa del Ray. Let's say half of them was exaggerated, would that really significantly change his performance?

De Colo gets some help from the refs, just a little. Langford and Spanoulis get no help at all from refs. Spanoulis is never given a foul on a drive to the basket unless he is hit very hard and he does not enter the defender's space. He might occasionally get an undeserved foul on a flop - like once in 5-6 games or something, but he also gets called for a technical on that usually if he tries it.

De Colo does get some help here and there, but not anything even remotely in the same amount as Doncic. Anyone watching EuroLeague, and that understands it has totally different foul rules than NBA, knows that Doncic is being given a huge amount of help by the refs that no other players in EuroLeague get.

The guy that got the by far most help from the refs in EuroLeague was Dimitris Diamantidis - he was like EuroLeague's version of D-Whistle. yet, by comparison to Doncic, Diamantidis would have gotten poor treatment from the refs.

We can talk all we want here about what Doncic is doing, but pretending the refs are not clearly babying him and helping him because he's 17 is just flat out nonsense. It's so obvious to anyone with any shred of objectivity.

I have different option, and I watch how referees are treating some players very thoroughly, I have even won Euroleague fantasy overall standings with help of this knowledge, but there is no need to argue. my point is, is this 2.5 fouls drawed by Doncic really that important for his game? Langford draws 7.7 and Nando 6.5. He gets less fouls caled than any other let's say top 10 pg in Euroleague.

[Mirotic12]

OR maybe hes just good at drawing fouls? Haven't thought about that? Your boy Spanoulis gets the same calls all the time too.

Almost none of the calls Doncic gets around the rim are fouls under FIBA rules. And Spanoulis almost never gets a foul when he drives the ball and initiates the contact - he might get like 2-3 calls like that in an entire season. Again, under FIBA rules, that's not allowed by the offensive player.

It's quite clear from reading comments here that most people don't understand FIBA interprets a shooting foul with contact differently than the NBA does.

Again - in FIBA rules, the offensive player cannot initiate contact and/or intrude into the designated area of the court that is owned by the defender, which is defined as either the defender's space, or sometimes the defender's bubble.

The defender has an imaginary bubble surrounding him, which is space he owns on the court, and any offensive player that intrudes into that space is doing something illegal under FIBA rules. In NBA rules, that's like 90% of the time a foul on the defense.

James Harden's typical go to move of plow into the defense is an illegal play under FIBA rules, and that rule is vert strictly enforced by EuroLeague refs.

Anyone saying Spanoulis, or any other EuroLeague player other than Doncic, routinely or regularly gets that call, has either never seen a EuroLeague game, or they have no clue about how FIBA foul rules work, or both. No one in EuroLeague other than Doncic can drive into contact around the rim and in the paint area and regularly draw foul calls. There isn't another player in the whole league that gets reffed like that. And it's totally false to claim that.

[Bob8]

OR maybe hes just good at drawing fouls? Haven't thought about that? Your boy Spanoulis gets the same calls all the time too.

Almost none of the calls Doncic gets around the rim are fouls under FIBA rules. And Spanoulis almost never gets a foul when he drives the ball and initiates the contact - he might get like 2-3 calls like that in an entire season. Again, under FIBA rules, that's not allowed by the offensive player.

It's quite clear from reading comments here that most people don't understand FIBA interprets a shooting foul with contact differently than the NBA does.

Again - in FIBA rules, the offensive player cannot initiate contact and/or intrude into the designated area of the court that is owned by the defender, which is defined as either the defender's space, or sometimes the defender's bubble.

The defender has an imaginary bubble surrounding him, which is space he owns on the court, and any offensive player that intrudes into that space is doing something illegal under FIBA rules. In NBA rules, that's like 90% of the time a foul on the defense.

James Harden's typical go to move of plow into the defense is an illegal play under FIBA rules, and that rule is vert strictly enforced by EuroLeague refs.

Anyone saying Spanoulis, or any other EuroLeague player other than Doncic, routinely or regularly gets that call, has either never seen a EuroLeague game, or they have no clue about how FIBA foul rules work, or both. No one in EuroLeague other than Doncic can drive into contact around the rim and in the paint area and regularly draw foul calls. There isn't another player in the whole league that gets reffed like that. And it's totally false to claim that.

he draws 2.5 fouls per game and gets 2.4 FT per game.

[jrob23]

OR maybe hes just good at drawing fouls? Haven't thought about that? Your boy Spanoulis gets the same calls all the time too.

Almost none of the calls Doncic gets around the rim are fouls under FIBA rules. And Spanoulis almost never gets a foul when he drives the ball and initiates the contact - he might get like 2-3 calls like that in an entire season. Again, under FIBA rules, that's not allowed by the offensive player.

It's quite clear from reading comments here that most people don't understand FIBA interprets a shooting foul with contact differently than the NBA does.

Again - in FIBA rules, the offensive player cannot initiate contact and/or intrude into the designated area of the court that is owned by the defender, which is defined as either the defender's space, or sometimes the defender's bubble.

The defender has an imaginary bubble surrounding him, which is space he owns on the court, and any offensive player that intrudes into that space is doing something illegal under FIBA rules. In NBA rules, that's like 90% of the time a foul on the defense.

James Harden's typical go to move of plow into the defense is an illegal play under FIBA rules, and that rule is vert strictly enforced by EuroLeague refs.

Anyone saying Spanoulis, or any other EuroLeague player other than Doncic, routinely or regularly gets that call, has either never seen a EuroLeague game, or they have no clue about how FIBA foul rules work, or both. No one in EuroLeague other than Doncic can drive into contact around the rim and in the paint area and regularly draw foul calls. There isn't another player in the whole league that gets reffed like that. And it's totally false to claim that.

FIBA rules are so much better in this regard. Even though a player (IT) on my fav team benefits from not having these rules, I'd rather the NBA adopted them. It's insane how guys who drive or shoot and initiate contact get calls and sent to the line. The NBA is so geared towards offense it's kinda ruined the entire era for me. I appreciate good defense as much as offense but I'm forced to watch games in the absence of it.

[JohnWillow]

How many super-skilled guard prospects came to the NBA at a young age? Because I swear I can't remember a single one. Who was it that failed, but was supposed to succeed?

Ricky Rubio say hello, he was supposed to be the next big thing, at age of 14 debuted in Euroleague, at age of 17 played for Spain in Olympics, he was super-skilled, only weaknesses before the draft was perimeter shooting and that was it. He is ok player, but he did not live up to his hype.

Again, was there even anybody else with great potential, drafted high, who failed? Maybe Gallo? But he is pretty close to the All-Star level when healthy. Borderline All-Star level for sure. So who was the super-skilled European draftee who got drafted in the lottery, and failed to become a good or great NBA player? The fact that Karasev didn't do it tells us anything? Or Belinelli? Were they ever expected to become stars?

Latest Jan Vesely, but he was a PF iirc, but the guy who I think you will not remember Yaroslav Korolev, I remember he was killing at age of 17 the competition in Europe (Russian league, U-18 tournament), the scouts were saying that he was supposed to be the next big thing in the NBA, was playing for CSKA and in 2005 draft was picked with the lottery pick by the Clips, but was on the roster for only 1 year iirc.

Well in that case it's clear that you don't watch him enough, because he is absolutely an elite shooter, and probably a better shooter at 17 than those guys were, or most certainly close to them. Of course if you compare him to peak Peja and Petronic, he is not as good, but why would you do that?

Haha so you are telling to me with the straight face, that Doncic right now is better shooter than Drazan Petrovic when Drazan was 17? Is Doncic scoring 40+ in a league at age of 17 and 18? Or maybe 100+ points in a game while shooting 66 % from the field and 50 % from 3, ok that was at age of 18 when he scored 110 points, but still man to call him a better shooter than him, it's disrespectful.

P.S.(I remember that 100 point game, because I did watch Divac documentary about Petrovic, it's a good documentary I recommend it.)

Shooting, passing, size, defensive instincts, rebounding, and the famous "feel for the game" attribute, which you can of course throw out, it's fair, but he is still an amazing prospect. I mean, I can't understand how anybody could deny this. He is the best 17-year-old in the world, with a supremely skilled all around game, why would you doubt that this will translate, especially in a year where Jokic is toying with the league?

So he is really next Lebron like in that article? What I was reading week ago.

Well but what about his lack of quickness and lateral speed? It concerns me, especially when he is playing 1 on 1 defense against more explosive opponents what will obviously be in the NBA. I agree with you about his, passing, rebounding, defensive instincts, but to tell he is an elite shooter is for me.

As i'm reading his weaknesses, can you comment this? He also needs to work on shot consistency, especially his mechanics and foot positioning.

He is great prospect, but yall are here talking about him, like he is the next first ballot HOF. Let him first get drafted and play in the league, what if his game doesn't translate in the NBA? Then what?

But if he is doing good, then good for him and good for European basketball, and I guess good for yall.

[jrob23]

Get of Doncic nut please. Show me one succesful multiple all star, hall of fame SF/SG european who played in the NBA? Because of that I have no trust in Euro shooting guards or SF, funniest thing I already saw on twitter last weekend an article where they compared Doncic to Lebron in terms of game and hype around both of them Doncic (right now), and when Lebron was in hs, I was laughing so hard... like are you serious?

How many super-skilled guard prospects came to the NBA at a young age? Because I swear I can't remember a single one. Who was it that failed, but was supposed to succeed?

Tbh I can think of maybe two/three european players who played SG/SF who were all stars/hof Peja, Petrovic and maybe Marciulonis, just maybe because he is a hall of famer and I loved his euro step. Ok Giannis is emerging, but who else?

Again, was there even anybody else with great potential, drafted high, who failed? Maybe Gallo? But he is pretty close to the All-Star level when healthy. Borderline All-Star level for sure. So who was the super-skilled European draftee who got drafted in the lottery, and failed to become a good or great NBA player? The fact that Karasev didn't do it tells us anything? Or Belinelli? Were they ever expected to become stars?

I ain't seeing in him shooting like Peja or Petrovic, or body and physical tools like Giannis has, because pre draft he had one of the best body types the scouts have ever seen.

Well in that case it's clear that you don't watch him enough, because he is absolutely an elite shooter, and probably a better shooter at 17 than those guys were, or most certainly close to them. Of course if you compare him to peak Peja and Petronic, he is not as good, but why would you do that?

What is Doncic can't miss skill/attribute for NBA? Gosh I hope that he pan out, like yall are here saying. If not then....

Shooting, passing, size, defensive instincts, rebounding, and the famous "feel for the game" attribute, which you can of course throw out, it's fair, but he is still an amazing prospect. I mean, I can't understand how anybody could deny this. He is the best 17-year-old in the world, with a supremely skilled all around game, why would you doubt that this will translate, especially in a year where Jokic is toying with the league?

I'm sure you'll disagree about their position or talent level, but if they're taken in the lottery as you asked...they supposedly had talent and were hyped. But it's really only been in recent history that Euros were even on the level enough to be considered in the top half of drafts.

Jan Vesely 6th overall. He kept growing but he started at 6'9" 210 and played SF initially. He obviously kept growing up and out lol.
Mario Hezonja 5th overall. Not looking too promising but still fairly early to give up on him.
Michael Pietrus 11th overall.
Thabo Sefolosha 13th overall

[pohani komarac]

How many super-skilled guard prospects came to the NBA at a young age? Because I swear I can't remember a single one. Who was it that failed, but was supposed to succeed?

Ricky Rubio say hello, he was supposed to be the next big thing, at age of 14 debuted in Euroleague, at age of 17 played for Spain in Olympics, he was super-skilled, only weaknesses before the draft was perimeter shooting and that was it. He is ok player, but he did not live up to his hype.

Again, was there even anybody else with great potential, drafted high, who failed? Maybe Gallo? But he is pretty close to the All-Star level when healthy. Borderline All-Star level for sure. So who was the super-skilled European draftee who got drafted in the lottery, and failed to become a good or great NBA player? The fact that Karasev didn't do it tells us anything? Or Belinelli? Were they ever expected to become stars?

Latest Jan Vesely, but he was a PF iirc, but the guy who I think you will not remember Yaroslav Korolev, I remember he was killing at age of 17 the competition in Europe (Russian league, U-18 tournament), the scouts were saying that he was supposed to be the next big thing in the NBA, was playing for CSKA and in 2005 draft was picked with the lottery pick by the Clips, but was on the roster for only 1 year iirc.

Well in that case it's clear that you don't watch him enough, because he is absolutely an elite shooter, and probably a better shooter at 17 than those guys were, or most certainly close to them. Of course if you compare him to peak Peja and Petronic, he is not as good, but why would you do that?

Haha so you are telling to me with the straight face, that Doncic right now is better shooter than Drazan Petrovic when Drazan was 17? Is Doncic scoring 40+ in a league at age of 17 and 18? Or maybe 100+ points in a game while shooting 66 % from the field and 50 % from 3, ok that was at age of 18 when he scored 110 points, but still man to call him a better shooter than him, it's disrespectful.

P.S.(I remember that 100 point game, because I did watch Divac documentary about Petrovic, it's a good documentary I recommend it.)

Shooting, passing, size, defensive instincts, rebounding, and the famous "feel for the game" attribute, which you can of course throw out, it's fair, but he is still an amazing prospect. I mean, I can't understand how anybody could deny this. He is the best 17-year-old in the world, with a supremely skilled all around game, why would you doubt that this will translate, especially in a year where Jokic is toying with the league?

So he is really next Lebron like in that article? What I was reading week ago.

Well but what about his lack of quickness and lateral speed? It concerns me, especially when he is playing 1 on 1 defense against more explosive opponents what will obviously be in the NBA. I agree with you about his, passing, rebounding, defensive instincts, but to tell he is an elite shooter is for me.

As i'm reading his weaknesses, can you comment this? He also needs to work on shot consistency, especially his mechanics and foot positioning.

He is great prospect, but yall are here talking about him, like he is the next first ballot HOF. Let him first get drafted and play in the league, what if his game doesn't translate in the NBA? Then what?

But if he is doing good, then good for him and good for European basketball, and I guess good for yall.

It's myth that Drazen dominated when he was 17. He scored 112 point agains Olimpija as 22, and it was vs Olimpija junior team. Senior team was on strike and they sent junior team. Only way Cibona could got fans on game was that they anounced that Drazen will go for record. Only guy who played like him at that age was actually Komazec, one of the best scorers in euroleague, but was never good for NBA. Anyway him and Drazen are different players

Tough, you got it right SG is hardest position tor white euro, beside Drazen nooady reached star level, if we don't count Ginobili here. There were just few good Giricek, Bogdanovic, Marculionis, Navarro, Belineli... Overall, hardest position without athletic abilitys. SF is different story...Kukoc, Schrempf, Kirilenko, Stojakovic

here are Drazen pre NBA stats

http://www.drazenpetrovic.com/statis/index.htm

[Bob8]

How many super-skilled guard prospects came to the NBA at a young age? Because I swear I can't remember a single one. Who was it that failed, but was supposed to succeed?

Ricky Rubio say hello, he was supposed to be the next big thing, at age of 14 debuted in Euroleague, at age of 17 played for Spain in Olympics, he was super-skilled, only weaknesses before the draft was perimeter shooting and that was it. He is ok player, but he did not live up to his hype.

Again, was there even anybody else with great potential, drafted high, who failed? Maybe Gallo? But he is pretty close to the All-Star level when healthy. Borderline All-Star level for sure. So who was the super-skilled European draftee who got drafted in the lottery, and failed to become a good or great NBA player? The fact that Karasev didn't do it tells us anything? Or Belinelli? Were they ever expected to become stars?

Latest Jan Vesely, but he was a PF iirc, but the guy who I think you will not remember Yaroslav Korolev, I remember he was killing at age of 17 the competition in Europe (Russian league, U-18 tournament), the scouts were saying that he was supposed to be the next big thing in the NBA, was playing for CSKA and in 2005 draft was picked with the lottery pick by the Clips, but was on the roster for only 1 year iirc.

Well in that case it's clear that you don't watch him enough, because he is absolutely an elite shooter, and probably a better shooter at 17 than those guys were, or most certainly close to them. Of course if you compare him to peak Peja and Petronic, he is not as good, but why would you do that?

Haha so you are telling to me with the straight face, that Doncic right now is better shooter than Drazan Petrovic when Drazan was 17? Is Doncic scoring 40+ in a league at age of 17 and 18? Or maybe 100+ points in a game while shooting 66 % from the field and 50 % from 3, ok that was at age of 18 when he scored 110 points, but still man to call him a better shooter than him, it's disrespectful.

P.S.(I remember that 100 point game, because I did watch Divac documentary about Petrovic, it's a good documentary I recommend it.)

Shooting, passing, size, defensive instincts, rebounding, and the famous "feel for the game" attribute, which you can of course throw out, it's fair, but he is still an amazing prospect. I mean, I can't understand how anybody could deny this. He is the best 17-year-old in the world, with a supremely skilled all around game, why would you doubt that this will translate, especially in a year where Jokic is toying with the league?

So he is really next Lebron like in that article? What I was reading week ago.

Well but what about his lack of quickness and lateral speed? It concerns me, especially when he is playing 1 on 1 defense against more explosive opponents what will obviously be in the NBA. I agree with you about his, passing, rebounding, defensive instincts, but to tell he is an elite shooter is for me.

As i'm reading his weaknesses, can you comment this? He also needs to work on shot consistency, especially his mechanics and foot positioning.

He is great prospect, but yall are here talking about him, like he is the next first ballot HOF. Let him first get drafted and play in the league, what if his game doesn't translate in the NBA? Then what?

But if he is doing good, then good for him and good for European basketball, and I guess good for yall.

I agree he's not Drazen, but can we stop with this stories. First Mirotic12, with this nonsense about fouls drawed, now you with Drazen story. Drazen was 21 years old when he scored 112 against Unio Olimpija, but he did it because, Olimpija didn't register players in time and they played with juniors.

[JohnWillow]

How many super-skilled guard prospects came to the NBA at a young age? Because I swear I can't remember a single one. Who was it that failed, but was supposed to succeed?

Ricky Rubio say hello, he was supposed to be the next big thing, at age of 14 debuted in Euroleague, at age of 17 played for Spain in Olympics, he was super-skilled, only weaknesses before the draft was perimeter shooting and that was it. He is ok player, but he did not live up to his hype.

Again, was there even anybody else with great potential, drafted high, who failed? Maybe Gallo? But he is pretty close to the All-Star level when healthy. Borderline All-Star level for sure. So who was the super-skilled European draftee who got drafted in the lottery, and failed to become a good or great NBA player? The fact that Karasev didn't do it tells us anything? Or Belinelli? Were they ever expected to become stars?

Latest Jan Vesely, but he was a PF iirc, but the guy who I think you will not remember Yaroslav Korolev, I remember he was killing at age of 17 the competition in Europe (Russian league, U-18 tournament), the scouts were saying that he was supposed to be the next big thing in the NBA, was playing for CSKA and in 2005 draft was picked with the lottery pick by the Clips, but was on the roster for only 1 year iirc.

Well in that case it's clear that you don't watch him enough, because he is absolutely an elite shooter, and probably a better shooter at 17 than those guys were, or most certainly close to them. Of course if you compare him to peak Peja and Petronic, he is not as good, but why would you do that?

Haha so you are telling to me with the straight face, that Doncic right now is better shooter than Drazan Petrovic when Drazan was 17? Is Doncic scoring 40+ in a league at age of 17 and 18? Or maybe 100+ points in a game while shooting 66 % from the field and 50 % from 3, ok that was at age of 18 when he scored 110 points, but still man to call him a better shooter than him, it's disrespectful.

P.S.(I remember that 100 point game, because I did watch Divac documentary about Petrovic, it's a good documentary I recommend it.)

Shooting, passing, size, defensive instincts, rebounding, and the famous "feel for the game" attribute, which you can of course throw out, it's fair, but he is still an amazing prospect. I mean, I can't understand how anybody could deny this. He is the best 17-year-old in the world, with a supremely skilled all around game, why would you doubt that this will translate, especially in a year where Jokic is toying with the league?

So he is really next Lebron like in that article? What I was reading week ago.

Well but what about his lack of quickness and lateral speed? It concerns me, especially when he is playing 1 on 1 defense against more explosive opponents what will obviously be in the NBA. I agree with you about his, passing, rebounding, defensive instincts, but to tell he is an elite shooter is for me.

As i'm reading his weaknesses, can you comment this? He also needs to work on shot consistency, especially his mechanics and foot positioning.

He is great prospect, but yall are here talking about him, like he is the next first ballot HOF. Let him first get drafted and play in the league, what if his game doesn't translate in the NBA? Then what?

But if he is doing good, then good for him and good for European basketball, and I guess good for yall.

I agree he's not Drazen, but can we stop with this stories. First Mirotic12, with this nonsense about fouls drawed, now you with Drazen story. Drazen was 21 years old when he scored 112 against Unio Olimpija, but he did it because, Olimpija didn't register players in time and they played with juniors.

The poster before me said, that Doncic is better shooter at age of 17 than Petrovic at age of 17, I was just making my point, that it is blasphemous. But tbh the fact that he scored 110 points is impressive, at any level and against any opponent in pro bball.

That fouls drawed problem tbh is right, because of his lack of lateral speed and quickness that also limits his offensive effectiveness in ISO situations when he has to rely on his body control and fakes to create the space for the shot or to draw contact. It can be fixed obviously, but it is very important.

[Johnny Firpo]

I'm sure you'll disagree about their position or talent level, but if they're taken in the lottery as you asked...they supposedly had talent and were hyped. But it's really only been in recent history that Euros were even on the level enough to be considered in the top half of drafts.

Jan Vesely 6th overall. He kept growing but he started at 6'9" 210 and played SF initially. He obviously kept growing up and out lol.
Mario Hezonja 5th overall. Not looking too promising but still fairly early to give up on him.
Michael Pietrus 11th overall.
Thabo Sefolosha 13th overall

Of course I'm going to disagree, when none of them were expected to become stars, and none of them had an even remotely similar all-around skillset to what Doncic already has, at 17. Who was a European guard that projected to become a star player, and failed? Maybe Rubio, I guess, but looking back, it was never going to happen without the jumpshot.

My point is, it's very rare when a European perimeter player projects to be a star, and Doncic is a player like that. You could argue that it happens maybe once in a decade, but maybe not even that frequently. So why would you even bring up the Karasevs and Pietrus' of the world, when they did not have a similar skillset, and never, ever projected to become stars? To me this doesn't make any sense. They weren't elite prospects, Doncic is.

[Johnny Firpo]

Ricky Rubio say hello, he was supposed to be the next big thing, at age of 14 debuted in Euroleague, at age of 17 played for Spain in Olympics, he was super-skilled, only weaknesses before the draft was perimeter shooting and that was it. He is ok player, but he did not live up to his hype.

Rubio was a really good prospect, but expecting him to become a superstar without a jumpshot was dumb. That basically never happened in the NBA to a perimeter player, or I guess you could argue Kidd, but I have my doubts that Kidd would be considered a superstar in today's NBA. Regardless, that's one example, and as you said, he did not have the jumpshot.

Latest Jan Vesely, but he was a PF iirc, but the guy who I think you will not remember Yaroslav Korolev, I remember he was killing at age of 17 the competition in Europe (Russian league, U-18 tournament), the scouts were saying that he was supposed to be the next big thing in the NBA, was playing for CSKA and in 2005 draft was picked with the lottery pick by the Clips, but was on the roster for only 1 year iirc.

Both were/are power forwards, and I don't remember that Korolev was supposed to be the next big thing. Vesely had a very limited skillset, it was a dumb pick in an amazingly strong draft, where the Wizards could have selected literally a dozen difference makers in the 1st round. Anyway, bad examples.

Haha so you are telling to me with the straight face, that Doncic right now is better shooter than Drazan Petrovic when Drazan was 17? Is Doncic scoring 40+ in a league at age of 17 and 18? Or maybe 100+ points in a game while shooting 66 % from the field and 50 % from 3, ok that was at age of 18 when he scored 110 points, but still man to call him a better shooter than him, it's disrespectful.

He might be, yeah. Petrovic was a phenom, but so is Doncic. And you were off by at least four, if not five years, as others have pointed out since, Drazen had that game years later, and under very unique circumstances. Basically, it really wasn't that huge of a deal, playing against youth players.

So he is really next Lebron like in that article? What I was reading week ago.

Well but what about his lack of quickness and lateral speed? It concerns me, especially when he is playing 1 on 1 defense against more explosive opponents what will obviously be in the NBA. I agree with you about his, passing, rebounding, defensive instincts, but to tell he is an elite shooter is for me.

As i'm reading his weaknesses, can you comment this? He also needs to work on shot consistency, especially his mechanics and foot positioning.

He is great prospect, but yall are here talking about him, like he is the next first ballot HOF. Let him first get drafted and play in the league, what if his game doesn't translate in the NBA? Then what?

But if he is doing good, then good for him and good for European basketball, and I guess good for yall.

No, Lebron was obviously a significantly better prospect, because he had the same unique skills, while being an arguably top 3 athlete ever, with Wilt and Shaq. So no, Doncic should not be called the next Lebron, because he doesn't have that speed, explosiveness, and body, which Lebron already had at 17. With that said, skill-wise, Doncic right now, absolutely compares to teenage Lebron. He is that good skill-wise.

How much will this worth? I think it will worth a lot, and Doncic will be at least an All-Star caliber player. I think if he stays healthy the worst case scenario is that he will become a Gallo-like player, or think Hayward, who is a little better than Gallo. So either a borderline All-Star, or slightly above that level. With his skills, understanding of the game, ball-handling, passing and good, albeit not elite athleticism, I think he is very NBA-ready, with a high floor. I think objectively he is a very safe pick, with a high floor and high ceiling.

[Bob8]

Ricky Rubio say hello, he was supposed to be the next big thing, at age of 14 debuted in Euroleague, at age of 17 played for Spain in Olympics, he was super-skilled, only weaknesses before the draft was perimeter shooting and that was it. He is ok player, but he did not live up to his hype.



Latest Jan Vesely, but he was a PF iirc, but the guy who I think you will not remember Yaroslav Korolev, I remember he was killing at age of 17 the competition in Europe (Russian league, U-18 tournament), the scouts were saying that he was supposed to be the next big thing in the NBA, was playing for CSKA and in 2005 draft was picked with the lottery pick by the Clips, but was on the roster for only 1 year iirc.



Haha so you are telling to me with the straight face, that Doncic right now is better shooter than Drazan Petrovic when Drazan was 17? Is Doncic scoring 40+ in a league at age of 17 and 18? Or maybe 100+ points in a game while shooting 66 % from the field and 50 % from 3, ok that was at age of 18 when he scored 110 points, but still man to call him a better shooter than him, it's disrespectful.

P.S.(I remember that 100 point game, because I did watch Divac documentary about Petrovic, it's a good documentary I recommend it.)




So he is really next Lebron like in that article? What I was reading week ago.

Well but what about his lack of quickness and lateral speed? It concerns me, especially when he is playing 1 on 1 defense against more explosive opponents what will obviously be in the NBA. I agree with you about his, passing, rebounding, defensive instincts, but to tell he is an elite shooter is for me.

As i'm reading his weaknesses, can you comment this? He also needs to work on shot consistency, especially his mechanics and foot positioning.

He is great prospect, but yall are here talking about him, like he is the next first ballot HOF. Let him first get drafted and play in the league, what if his game doesn't translate in the NBA? Then what?

But if he is doing good, then good for him and good for European basketball, and I guess good for yall.

I agree he's not Drazen, but can we stop with this stories. First Mirotic12, with this nonsense about fouls drawed, now you with Drazen story. Drazen was 21 years old when he scored 112 against Unio Olimpija, but he did it because, Olimpija didn't register players in time and they played with juniors.

The poster before me said, that Doncic is better shooter at age of 17 than Petrovic at age of 17, I was just making my point, that it is blasphemous. But tbh the fact that he scored 110 points is impressive, at any level and against any opponent in pro bball.

That fouls drawed problem tbh is right, because of his lack of lateral speed and quickness that also limits his offensive effectiveness in ISO situations when he has to rely on his body control and fakes to create the space for the shot or to draw contact. It can be fixed obviously, but it is very important.

What pro bball? he played against 15-16 years old kids, because Olimpija could register only them after the deadline, and this were not the best kids in the world. Zdenko Babic has made 144 points five days later in Radivoj Corac Cup. And he really wasn't the best player in the world.

And this story about how referees are helping Doncic. With 2.5 fouls and 2.4 FT per game? Really?

Doncic is 17 years old, most critics about his game are absurd, because it's impossible to have everything at his age. The guy is still growing. He will for sure be much better in 5 years time.How much better and what will this mean for his Nba career, nobody knows.
And he will surely won't be Drazen or Lebron. But maybe he will be Luka Doncic.

[Derento]

Is it just me or does Doncic have a hunch back?

[Derento]

Physically wise he reminds me of a Klay Thompson. One thing that surprised me is how well he looks running up court with the ball he looks like a point guard. Very quick, fast and fluid.