Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

gambitx777 · Post #1721 » by **gambitx777** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:33 pm

NatP4 wrote:Sounds like Will Barton is possibly available, and we do have interest.

We should be! Him and Evans would be real nice on the bench, Evans can play the point right?

Meliorus · Post #1722 » by **Meliorus** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:36 pm

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359

Go to around 50:30. Zach Lowe says that we shouldn't give up our 1st round pick for a marginal bench player. Lowe does not like Lou Williams for the Wizards. Windhorst says that he's one of the worst defensive players he's ever seen and his game doesn't hold up in the playoffs. Specifically citing the Toronto playoffs, Lowe says that refs don't fall for Lou's bull**** in the playoffs. He goes on to say that he would rather get Collison for the Wiz but he wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him either.

1st rounders are worth a lot guys. Don't throw it in the trash can.

NatP4 · Post #1723 » by **NatP4** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:43 pm

Meliorus wrote:http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359

Go to around 50:30. Zach Lowe says that we shouldn't give up our 1st round pick for a marginal bench player. Lowe does not like Lou Williams for the Wizards. Windhorst says that he's one of the worst defensive players he's ever seen and his game doesn't hold up in the playoffs. Specifically citing the Toronto playoffs, Lowe says that refs don't fall for Lou's bull**** in the playoffs. He goes on to say that he would rather get Collison for the Wiz but he wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him either.

1st rounders are worth a lot guys. Don't throw it in the trash can.

"Need a better ball handler than Trey Burke and a better guard than Tomas Satoransky, well, A PLAYER THAT SCOTT BROOKS TRUSTS MORE THAN SATORANSKY" sigh :roll:

Zach Lowe really knows his stuff though, please no Lou Williams Ernie

FAH1223 · Post #1724 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:48 pm

Meliorus wrote:http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359

Go to around 50:30. Zach Lowe says that we shouldn't give up our 1st round pick for a marginal bench player. Lowe does not like Lou Williams for the Wizards. Windhorst says that he's one of the worst defensive players he's ever seen and his game doesn't hold up in the playoffs. Specifically citing the Toronto playoffs, Lowe says that refs don't fall for Lou's bull**** in the playoffs. He goes on to say that he would rather get Collison for the Wiz but he wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him either.

1st rounders are worth a lot guys. Don't throw it in the trash can.

I pray we don't make a deal

I want cheap young talent on rookie scale as an asset

Dat2U · Post #1725 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:54 pm

Meliorus wrote:http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359

Go to around 50:30. Zach Lowe says that we shouldn't give up our 1st round pick for a marginal bench player. Lowe does not like Lou Williams for the Wizards. Windhorst says that he's one of the worst defensive players he's ever seen and his game doesn't hold up in the playoffs. Specifically citing the Toronto playoffs, Lowe says that refs don't fall for Lou's bull**** in the playoffs. He goes on to say that he would rather get Collison for the Wiz but he wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him either.

1st rounders are worth a lot guys. Don't throw it in the trash can.

I think calling Lou Will a marginal bench player is harsh and incorrect. He's been a solid NBA player throughout his career. He's having an incredible year. I think folks are stuck on the fact he comes off the bench, he's a gunner & he's a poor defender. Windhorst is a windbag... unless he's blowing smoke up LeBron's you know what he's not an expert on anything. He's the same guy that called Gortat a good bench player like two years ago. I don't see Windhorst trashing Kyrie, Lillard or Isaiah's defense. Lou didn't play well in that Toronto series but the fact is he's a. having a much better year now b. won't have Wall/Beal locking him down on D. Wall, Beal & Porter made everyone on Toronto's perimeter look bad that series. Lowry, DeRozan & Ross too.

If were able to swap Nicholson for Williams I think it's worth it. I would probably hesitate to do the deal or ask for a pick swap (high 2nd for a low 1st) if Nicholson is not included.

Collison is a far inferior player and not a true PG either. He's less of a gunner and only a marginally better defender so unless your preferring Collison for stylistic reasons because his game is more moderate and easier on the eye, there's really no reason to prefer him. Collison is also a 2-3 month rental so he's definitely not worth a 1st rounder.

Meliorus · Post #1726 » by **Meliorus** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:56 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Meliorus wrote:http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359

Go to around 50:30. Zach Lowe says that we shouldn't give up our 1st round pick for a marginal bench player. Lowe does not like Lou Williams for the Wizards. Windhorst says that he's one of the worst defensive players he's ever seen and his game doesn't hold up in the playoffs. Specifically citing the Toronto playoffs, Lowe says that refs don't fall for Lou's bull**** in the playoffs. He goes on to say that he would rather get Collison for the Wiz but he wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him either.

1st rounders are worth a lot guys. Don't throw it in the trash can.

I think calling Lou Will a marginal bench player is harsh and incorrect. He's been a solid NBA player throughout his career. He's having an incredible year. I think folks are stuck on the fact he comes off the bench, he's a gunner & he's a poor defender. Windhorst is a windbag... unless he's blowing smoke up LeBron's you know what he's not an expert on anything. He's the same guy that called Gortat a good bench player like two years ago. I don't see Windhorst trashing Kyrie, Lillard or Isaiah's defense. Lou didn't play well in that Toronto series but the fact is he's a. having a much better year now b. won't have Wall/Beal locking him down on D. Wall, Beal & Porter made everyone on Toronto's perimeter look bad that series. Lowry, DeRozan & Ross too.

If were able to swap Nicholson for Williams I think it's worth it. I would probably hesitate to do the deal or ask for a pick swap (high 2nd for a low 1st) if Nicholson is not included.

Collison is a far inferior player and not a true PG either. He's less of a gunner and only a marginally better defender so unless your preferring Collison for stylistic reasons because his game is more moderate and easier on the eye, there's really no reason to prefer him. Collison is also a 2-3 month rental so he's definitely not worth a 1st rounder.

Lol people just days ago were offering our 1st rounder + Nicholson for Lou and ACTING like the Lakers would say no. Of course I would be more than happy to swap Nicholson for Williams straight up. That post is directed at Wizards fans who value Lou Williams at a 1st rounder.

dckingsfan · Post #1727 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:57 pm

I think the kings will have 9 guards

Code: Select all

PG: Collison   Galloway   Lawson         
SG: Afflalo    Evans      Temple   McLemore   Hield   Richardson

And other than Collison, they all stink.

Dat2U · Post #1728 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:01 pm

Meliorus wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Meliorus wrote:http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359

Go to around 50:30. Zach Lowe says that we shouldn't give up our 1st round pick for a marginal bench player. Lowe does not like Lou Williams for the Wizards. Windhorst says that he's one of the worst defensive players he's ever seen and his game doesn't hold up in the playoffs. Specifically citing the Toronto playoffs, Lowe says that refs don't fall for Lou's bull**** in the playoffs. He goes on to say that he would rather get Collison for the Wiz but he wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him either.

1st rounders are worth a lot guys. Don't throw it in the trash can.

I think calling Lou Will a marginal bench player is harsh and incorrect. He's been a solid NBA player throughout his career. He's having an incredible year. I think folks are stuck on the fact he comes off the bench, he's a gunner & he's a poor defender. Windhorst is a windbag... unless he's blowing smoke up LeBron's you know what he's not an expert on anything. He's the same guy that called Gortat a good bench player like two years ago. I don't see Windhorst trashing Kyrie, Lillard or Isaiah's defense. Lou didn't play well in that Toronto series but the fact is he's a. having a much better year now b. won't have Wall/Beal locking him down on D. Wall, Beal & Porter made everyone on Toronto's perimeter look bad that series. Lowry, DeRozan & Ross too.

If were able to swap Nicholson for Williams I think it's worth it. I would probably hesitate to do the deal or ask for a pick swap (high 2nd for a low 1st) if Nicholson is not included.

Collison is a far inferior player and not a true PG either. He's less of a gunner and only a marginally better defender so unless your preferring Collison for stylistic reasons because his game is more moderate and easier on the eye, there's really no reason to prefer him. Collison is also a 2-3 month rental so he's definitely not worth a 1st rounder.

Lol people just days ago were offering our 1st rounder + Nicholson for Lou and ACTING like the Lakers would say no. Of course I would be more than happy to swap Nicholson for Williams straight up. That post is directed at Wizards fans who value Lou Williams at a 1st rounder.

Of course Lakers fans expect everything under the sun for their guy. Just like Kings fans were expecting a kings ransom for Cousins. If the Lakers can get a first for Williams... even if it means taking on a mid-sized crappy deal like Nicholson, they should do it. It's not like they have an abundance of cap room available. They blew that on Mozgov, Deng & Clarkson.

Dat2U · Post #1729 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:04 pm

dckingsfan wrote:I think the kings will have 9 guards
Code: Select all
PG: Collison Galloway Lawson SG: Afflalo Evans Temple McLemore Hield Richardson

And other than Collison, they all stink.

I'd love Temple back. He's been solid for them. I wonder if he's available?

Galloway is also a guy I'd really look into signing... especially since he's getting released I believe.

gambitx777 · Post #1730 » by **gambitx777** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:09 pm

Dat2U wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:I think the kings will have 9 guards
Code: Select all
PG: Collison Galloway Lawson SG: Afflalo Evans Temple McLemore Hield Richardson

And other than Collison, they all stink.

I'd love Temple back. He's been solid for them. I wonder if he's available?

Galloway is also a guy I'd really look into signing... especially since he's getting released I believe.

I think they are more likely to cut evans and try to move afflalo and temple and keep Galloway.

NatP4 · Post #1731 » by **NatP4** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:13 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
Meliorus wrote:http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359

Go to around 50:30. Zach Lowe says that we shouldn't give up our 1st round pick for a marginal bench player. Lowe does not like Lou Williams for the Wizards. Windhorst says that he's one of the worst defensive players he's ever seen and his game doesn't hold up in the playoffs. Specifically citing the Toronto playoffs, Lowe says that refs don't fall for Lou's bull**** in the playoffs. He goes on to say that he would rather get Collison for the Wiz but he wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him either.

1st rounders are worth a lot guys. Don't throw it in the trash can.

I pray we don't make a deal

I want cheap young talent on rookie scale as an asset

would you do Burke and our 2018 1st top 10 protected for Will Barton? I would also like to draft a guy this offseason.

NatP4 · Post #1732 » by **NatP4** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:15 pm

the whole reason to favor Collison over Lou Williams would be the cost, Collison probably only takes a 2nd rounder and an expiring contract, and he's more of a true point guard, better defensively, been a consistently good offensive player his entire career. Lou can turn into a completely inefficient chucker that can't guard anyone or rebound, Collison is always a rock solid backup PG.

a lot of us have been saying what Lowe and Windhorst just said, Lou is useless in the playoffs, he gets exposed when teams gameplay for him, we did it to him. He can't guard ANYONE or rebound(which is why id rather have Barton). Lowe makes an excellent point also, refs don't give him that call on his signature drive left and flop while throwing the ball at the basket.

FAH1223 · Post #1733 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:43 pm

NatP4 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
Meliorus wrote:http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359

Go to around 50:30. Zach Lowe says that we shouldn't give up our 1st round pick for a marginal bench player. Lowe does not like Lou Williams for the Wizards. Windhorst says that he's one of the worst defensive players he's ever seen and his game doesn't hold up in the playoffs. Specifically citing the Toronto playoffs, Lowe says that refs don't fall for Lou's bull**** in the playoffs. He goes on to say that he would rather get Collison for the Wiz but he wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him either.

1st rounders are worth a lot guys. Don't throw it in the trash can.

I pray we don't make a deal

I want cheap young talent on rookie scale as an asset

would you do Burke and our 2018 1st top 10 protected for Will Barton? I would also like to draft a guy this offseason.

Hell no.

pcbothwel · Post #1734 » by **pcbothwel** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:57 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
I pray we don't make a deal

I want cheap young talent on rookie scale as an asset

would you do Burke and our 2018 1st top 10 protected for Will Barton? I would also like to draft a guy this offseason.

Hell no.

Agreed, I see no reason why we need to give up any 1st at this point. Collison can be had for Burke and a 2nd, Evans and/or Galloway will be waived, and I assume at least one other legit Guard will be waived over the next few days

Kanyewest · Post #1735 » by **Kanyewest** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:13 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Meliorus wrote:http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359

Go to around 50:30. Zach Lowe says that we shouldn't give up our 1st round pick for a marginal bench player. Lowe does not like Lou Williams for the Wizards. Windhorst says that he's one of the worst defensive players he's ever seen and his game doesn't hold up in the playoffs. Specifically citing the Toronto playoffs, Lowe says that refs don't fall for Lou's bull**** in the playoffs. He goes on to say that he would rather get Collison for the Wiz but he wouldn't give up a 1st rounder for him either.

1st rounders are worth a lot guys. Don't throw it in the trash can.

I think calling Lou Will a marginal bench player is harsh and incorrect. He's been a solid NBA player throughout his career. He's having an incredible year. I think folks are stuck on the fact he comes off the bench, he's a gunner & he's a poor defender. Windhorst is a windbag... unless he's blowing smoke up LeBron's you know what he's not an expert on anything. He's the same guy that called Gortat a good bench player like two years ago. I don't see Windhorst trashing Kyrie, Lillard or Isaiah's defense. Lou didn't play well in that Toronto series but the fact is he's a. having a much better year now b. won't have Wall/Beal locking him down on D. Wall, Beal & Porter made everyone on Toronto's perimeter look bad that series. Lowry, DeRozan & Ross too.

If were able to swap Nicholson for Williams I think it's worth it. I would probably hesitate to do the deal or ask for a pick swap (high 2nd for a low 1st) if Nicholson is not included.

Collison is a far inferior player and not a true PG either. He's less of a gunner and only a marginally better defender so unless your preferring Collison for stylistic reasons because his game is more moderate and easier on the eye, there's really no reason to prefer him. Collison is also a 2-3 month rental so he's definitely not worth a 1st rounder.

No one on the podcast called Lou Williams a marginal bench player. Zach Lowe even said that he is probably 2nd in 6th man of the year. This rant was made mostly by Lowe and not by Windhorst, although Brian did call him a terrible defensive player. Also Lou Williams has struggled in the playoff not only with the Raptors but also with 76ers/Hawks compared with his career averages.
Lowe did say he preferred Collison but wouldn't give up a first rounder for him either.

Dat2U · Post #1736 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:14 pm

NatP4 wrote:the whole reason to favor Collison over Lou Williams would be the cost, Collison probably only takes a 2nd rounder and an expiring contract, and he's more of a true point guard, better defensively, been a consistently good offensive player his entire career. Lou can turn into a completely inefficient chucker that can't guard anyone or rebound, Collison is always a rock solid backup PG.

a lot of us have been saying what Lowe and Windhorst just said, Lou is useless in the playoffs, he gets exposed when teams gameplay for him, we did it to him. He can't guard ANYONE or rebound(which is why id rather have Barton). Lowe makes an excellent point also, refs don't give him that call on his signature drive left and flop while throwing the ball at the basket.

I'm sorry but when did Collison morph into a real PG who plays solid defense? When did Collison become a clutch playoff performer? You bash Williams for things that Collison isn't very good at either.

NatP4 · Post #1737 » by **NatP4** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:18 pm

Dat2U wrote:
NatP4 wrote:the whole reason to favor Collison over Lou Williams would be the cost, Collison probably only takes a 2nd rounder and an expiring contract, and he's more of a true point guard, better defensively, been a consistently good offensive player his entire career. Lou can turn into a completely inefficient chucker that can't guard anyone or rebound, Collison is always a rock solid backup PG.

a lot of us have been saying what Lowe and Windhorst just said, Lou is useless in the playoffs, he gets exposed when teams gameplay for him, we did it to him. He can't guard ANYONE or rebound(which is why id rather have Barton). Lowe makes an excellent point also, refs don't give him that call on his signature drive left and flop while throwing the ball at the basket.

I'm sorry but when did Collison morph into a real PG who plays solid defense? When did Collison become a clutch playoff performer? You bash Williams for things that Collison isn't very good at either.

I'd have to double check collisons playoff numbers, but I remember him being a really good player for the Mavs in the playoffs, and he's actually a solid athlete, teams don't just abuse him like they do Lou. Collison is almost a 50/40/90 player on the season, he's basically what you hope Burke could be.

NatP4 · Post #1738 » by **NatP4** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:19 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
would you do Burke and our 2018 1st top 10 protected for Will Barton? I would also like to draft a guy this offseason.

Hell no.

Agreed, I see no reason why we need to give up any 1st at this point. Collison can be had for Burke and a 2nd, Evans and/or Galloway will be waived, and I assume at least one other legit Guard will be waived over the next few days

Good point, if you can get Collison for a 2nd or Evans off of waivers, you'd rather do that. Obviously

Sluggerface · Post #1739 » by **Sluggerface** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:22 pm

I don't see Cleveland outbidding us for Collison. They don't have any expiring to match and they don't have a single draft pick in this lottery. We have two expiring in Burke/Thornton and a 2nd rounder this year.

NatP4 · Post #1740 » by **NatP4** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:30 pm

Sluggerface wrote:I don't see Cleveland outbidding us for Collison. They don't have any expiring to match and they don't have a single draft pick in this lottery. We have two expiring in Burke/Thornton and a 2nd rounder this year.

Wall Collison
Beal Satoransky McClellan
Porter Oubre Satoransky
Keef Porter (room exception buyout player)
Gortat Mahinmi Smith

I'd really like to find some player that can defend the 3 and 4 like Keef can at times, for Lebron. Dante Cunningham maybe? idk