Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

GotEm · Post #861 » by **GotEm** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:58 pm

So looks like this is the real reason why Kings passed on the Suns offer.

I don't know why McDonough thought the Kings would want a bad contract when their the team that's actually trading the best player in the whole deal.

Most teams wouldn't want Knight and his long contract for free much less for a star player.

TeamTragic · Post #862 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:59 pm

GotEm wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
GotEm wrote:I would've easily traded Chriss or Bender for a deal for Cousins. Their both PFs anyway so it's not like both will be starting together even once they develop.

Agreed that Booker is untouchable which is why I said I doubt the Pelicans demanded for Booker. It would've been like demanding for Anthony Davis from the Pelicans.

Mortgaging our future and youth for a one year rental?

I don't think Cousins is gonna pass on the money to sign elsewhere. He's actually a loyal guy and would've stayed wherever he got traded.

Plus Eric Bledsoe is his best friend so he would want to play with him. He's even been quoted saying that he wanted to play with Bledsoe.

Then go after him next season since Bledsoe is his buddy. I don't doubt that we will offer Cousins a contract in FA.

LukasBMW · Post #863 » by **LukasBMW** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:00 pm

The Kings knew that Washington and Phoenix were Boogie's preferred destinations. I really think that they wanted to screw him out of $50 million and wanted to send him to a team he didn't want to go to. When NOP offered up the player they really wanted, they took it even if the projected total return wasn't as great. They viewed it as a win: Get Buddy, screw Boogie out of $50 mil, send him to someone other then where he wants to play.

GotEm · Post #864 » by **GotEm** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:01 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
GotEm wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
Mortgaging our future and youth for a one year rental?

I don't think Cousins is gonna pass on the money to sign elsewhere. He's actually a loyal guy and would've stayed wherever he got traded.

Plus Eric Bledsoe is his best friend so he would want to play with him. He's even been quoted saying that he wanted to play with Bledsoe.

Then go after him next season since Bledsoe is his buddy. I don't doubt that we will offer Cousins a contract in FA.

But Cousins is loyal and now he gets to play for the team that's closest to his hometown of Alabama and with a top 10 player in the league in Davis.

Plus Cousins isn't gonna turn down the money to sign elsewhere. He already lost $30 million by the trade from the Kings, he's not gonna lose out more.

He's resigning with New Orleans.

TeamTragic · Post #865 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:02 pm

LukasBMW wrote:The Kings knew that Washington and Phoenix were Boogie's preferred destinations. I really think that they wanted to screw him out of $50 million and wanted to send him to a team he didn't want to go to. When NOP offered up the player they really wanted, they took it even if the projected total return wasn't as great. They viewed it as a win: Get Buddy, screw Boogie out of $50 mil, send him to someone other then where he wants to play.

How exactly does Ranadive attract free agents after this cluster ****?

GotEm wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
GotEm wrote:I don't think Cousins is gonna pass on the money to sign elsewhere. He's actually a loyal guy and would've stayed wherever he got traded.

Plus Eric Bledsoe is his best friend so he would want to play with him. He's even been quoted saying that he wanted to play with Bledsoe.

Then go after him next season since Bledsoe is his buddy. I don't doubt that we will offer Cousins a contract in FA.

But Cousins is loyal and now he gets to play for the team that's closest to his hometown of Alabama and with a top 10 player in the league in Davis.

Plus Cousins isn't gonna turn down the money to sign elsewhere. He already lost $30 million by the trade from the Kings, he's not gonna lose out more.

He's resigning with New Orleans.

Agreed. Cousins perceived value is terrible and he just lost $50M. He will sign with New Orleans and they will treadmill.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #866 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:11 pm

GotEm wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
GotEm wrote:I don't think Cousins is gonna pass on the money to sign elsewhere. He's actually a loyal guy and would've stayed wherever he got traded.

Plus Eric Bledsoe is his best friend so he would want to play with him. He's even been quoted saying that he wanted to play with Bledsoe.

Then go after him next season since Bledsoe is his buddy. I don't doubt that we will offer Cousins a contract in FA.

But Cousins is loyal and now he gets to play for the team that's closest to his hometown of Alabama and with a top 10 player in the league in Davis.

Plus Cousins isn't gonna turn down the money to sign elsewhere. He already lost $30 million by the trade from the Kings, he's not gonna lose out more.

He's resigning with New Orleans.

The thing is he isn't losing out on that much money if he leaves NO. The big loss was not getting that new "super max" that he could only get with Sacramento. Now all NO can offer is a 5 year deal instead of 4 and slightly larger raises per year. For a guy his age that 5th year isn't that big of a deal since he might have two big contracts left him him. I don't see any way he doesn't go on some free agency visits that summer. It will be the first time in his career he will be able to control where he plays; he's at least going to listen to some teams. Now if it's going great down in NO he might stay but it's far from a given.

Scutt · Post #867 » by **Scutt** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:12 pm

I hope this does spell the end of Chandler and Tucker. I assumed they would be holding onto those guys in the hopes if they traded for a star, then they would be adequate role players for our "playoff push". Well the Suns didn't want to pony up when they had the chance to trade for their star, so they need to focus completely on the rebuild. You go all in or you go all out. Thankfully, the Suns didn't go all in for Cousins, but they better go all out on developing and embracing the youth. No more in the middle!

LukasBMW · Post #868 » by **LukasBMW** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:18 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
GotEm wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
Then go after him next season since Bledsoe is his buddy. I don't doubt that we will offer Cousins a contract in FA.

But Cousins is loyal and now he gets to play for the team that's closest to his hometown of Alabama and with a top 10 player in the league in Davis.

Plus Cousins isn't gonna turn down the money to sign elsewhere. He already lost $30 million by the trade from the Kings, he's not gonna lose out more.

He's resigning with New Orleans.

The thing is he isn't losing out on that much money if he leaves NO. The big loss was not getting that new "super max" that he could only get with Sacramento. Now all NO can offer is a 5 year deal instead of 4 and slightly larger raises per year. For a guy his age that 5th year isn't that big of a deal since he might have two big contracts left him him. I don't see any way he doesn't go on some free agency visits that summer. It will be the first time in his career he will be able to control where he plays; he's at least going to listen to some teams. Now if it's going great down in NO he might stay but it's far from a given.

Plus the reports say that Cousins was pissed.

Cousins may be loyal, but he was loyal to Sacramento. 18 months may not be long enough for him to build loyalty with the NOP.

I think if he and AD mesh well and the Pelicans make the playoffs...he resigns. BUT, if the Pelicans miss the playoffs and/or he is frustrated in the Pelicans system, he may come to us.

Gonna be an interesting 6-18 months.

TeamTragic · Post #869 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:20 pm

LukasBMW wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
GotEm wrote:But Cousins is loyal and now he gets to play for the team that's closest to his hometown of Alabama and with a top 10 player in the league in Davis.

Plus Cousins isn't gonna turn down the money to sign elsewhere. He already lost $30 million by the trade from the Kings, he's not gonna lose out more.

He's resigning with New Orleans.

The thing is he isn't losing out on that much money if he leaves NO. The big loss was not getting that new "super max" that he could only get with Sacramento. Now all NO can offer is a 5 year deal instead of 4 and slightly larger raises per year. For a guy his age that 5th year isn't that big of a deal since he might have two big contracts left him him. I don't see any way he doesn't go on some free agency visits that summer. It will be the first time in his career he will be able to control where he plays; he's at least going to listen to some teams. Now if it's going great down in NO he might stay but it's far from a given.

Plus the reports say that Cousins was pissed.

Cousins may be loyal, but he was loyal to Sacramento. 18 months may not be long enough for him to build loyalty with the NOP.

I think if he and AD mesh well and the Pelicans make the playoffs...he resigns. BUT, if the Pelicans miss the playoffs and/or he is frustrated in the Pelicans system, he may come to us.

Gonna be an interesting 6-18 months.

Do we really want him after this media circus? I think McD should be weary at this point.

GotEm · Post #870 » by **GotEm** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:24 pm

I think the people who thought Cousins is cancerous and all that are gonna eat their words now. He's gonna shine in New Orleans because they aren't as dysfunctional as Sacramento.

GotEm · Post #871 » by **GotEm** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:26 pm

LukasBMW wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
GotEm wrote:But Cousins is loyal and now he gets to play for the team that's closest to his hometown of Alabama and with a top 10 player in the league in Davis.

Plus Cousins isn't gonna turn down the money to sign elsewhere. He already lost $30 million by the trade from the Kings, he's not gonna lose out more.

He's resigning with New Orleans.

The thing is he isn't losing out on that much money if he leaves NO. The big loss was not getting that new "super max" that he could only get with Sacramento. Now all NO can offer is a 5 year deal instead of 4 and slightly larger raises per year. For a guy his age that 5th year isn't that big of a deal since he might have two big contracts left him him. I don't see any way he doesn't go on some free agency visits that summer. It will be the first time in his career he will be able to control where he plays; he's at least going to listen to some teams. Now if it's going great down in NO he might stay but it's far from a given.

Plus the reports say that Cousins was pissed.

Cousins may be loyal, but he was loyal to Sacramento. 18 months may not be long enough for him to build loyalty with the NOP.

I think if he and AD mesh well and the Pelicans make the playoffs...he resigns. BUT, if the Pelicans miss the playoffs and/or he is frustrated in the Pelicans system, he may come to us.

Gonna be an interesting 6-18 months.

Cousins is directly quoted as saying that he loves New Orleans and would love to play there because of him playing so close to home and a stud in Davis.

Post #872 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:40 pm

The way I see it, Cousins is two seasons away from getting that max deal when a player hits their 10 yrs in the league. I wouldn't be surprised if he tests FA's or resigns on a short term deal like Lebron, Wade, KD etc. It sucks for Cousins personally to lose that supermax $50m but he potentially could make that up once he hits his 10yr mark and signs a max deal then.

LukasBMW · Post #873 » by **LukasBMW** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:42 pm

GotEm wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
The thing is he isn't losing out on that much money if he leaves NO. The big loss was not getting that new "super max" that he could only get with Sacramento. Now all NO can offer is a 5 year deal instead of 4 and slightly larger raises per year. For a guy his age that 5th year isn't that big of a deal since he might have two big contracts left him him. I don't see any way he doesn't go on some free agency visits that summer. It will be the first time in his career he will be able to control where he plays; he's at least going to listen to some teams. Now if it's going great down in NO he might stay but it's far from a given.

Plus the reports say that Cousins was pissed.

Cousins may be loyal, but he was loyal to Sacramento. 18 months may not be long enough for him to build loyalty with the NOP.

I think if he and AD mesh well and the Pelicans make the playoffs...he resigns. BUT, if the Pelicans miss the playoffs and/or he is frustrated in the Pelicans system, he may come to us.

Gonna be an interesting 6-18 months.

Cousins is directly quoted as saying that he loves New Orleans and would love to play there because of him playing so close to home and a stud in Davis.

He said that in front of the cameras 15 seconds after his agent whispered in his ear that the Kings were finalizing a trade to send him to New Orleans.

Another source said that he thinks that he and AD are the same player: Mobile PF/C's that need the ball to be effective.

Just gotta hope that the Pelicans don't make the playoffs and Cousins' sees his stats drop. Denver and Portland won't lie down.

SideSwipe · Post #874 » by **SideSwipe** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:44 pm

Anything from Gambo today?

MilotheSlayer · Post #875 » by **MilotheSlayer** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:12 am

PHX out: Knight, Barbosa
PHX in: Ellis, IND 2nd

IND out: Ellis, IND 2nd
IND in: Knight, TJones

NOLA out: TJones
NOLA in: Barbosa

We get a player that might be better suited as our 6th man, still a crappy contract but a year less. Plus we get a little value for Barbosa. IND gets a better backup in my opinion and insurance if Teague leaves plus they get help upfront with TJones for a playoff push. NOLA gets a good backup guard to help in their rotation while they unload the expiring of TJones.

DirtyDez · Post #876 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:16 am

GotEm wrote:I think the people who thought Cousins is cancerous and all that are gonna eat their words now. He's gonna shine in New Orleans because they aren't as dysfunctional as Sacramento.

Think so too. He'll get a taste of the playoffs and playing along side another elite player for once. With a full season I think they'd have a chance to be a contender if they can get creative and add some perimeter player.

The thing that could throw it off is AD getting injured again.

SideSwipe wrote:Anything from Gambo today?

98.7 FM is playing national stuff today so I'm guessing all local shows were off for the holiday.

King4Day · Post #877 » by **King4Day** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:20 am

I called into NBA radio (Eddie Johnson and Justin Terminy). I asked what he thought the Suns will do (stand pat or make moves). JT suggested that the 2 that are garnering the most interest are Tucker and Chandler. Nothing juicy though. I think we've already heard that Boston was interested in Tucker.

Post #878 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:30 am

Those two are the easiest to move so it makes sense.

Christine-In-AZ · Post #879 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:52 am

GoranTragic wrote:
Spoiler:
NTB wrote:

Read on Twitter

Young core? Why is Len in that photo?

because he's 23?

tgtm_24 · Post #880 » by **tgtm_24** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:23 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
tgtm_24 wrote:Why would you want to trade Bledsoe?

Having a career year, finally healthy and still has room for improvement?

People complaining we can't lure FA's yet want to move our best player currently just for the sake of it.

Weird.

He's eligible for an extension/renegotiation of his contract this summer. Considering his knee issues, do you think he's worth the max extension, he probably deserves?

Well given his knees have held up this year just fine, it's a tick.

I understand the sell high mentality, but guys are going to get crazy dollars with the new CBA. So far Bledsoe is on a great deal, MCD, did well having the foresight of the rising cap.

I think Bledsoe is having such an underrated season that we wouldn't get fair value back in a trade currently. I want to keep some above average talent on the roster to keep Booker happy as well.

I can't see the benefit of moving Bledsoe right here, right now.

In b4 he goes down with a knee next game.