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[Alexander]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5uuhza/kyrie_irving_admits_science_shows_earth_is_round/?st=1Z141Z3&sh=e46a8016

No. **** Kyrie.

[Alexander]

So unimpressed.

[sc8581]

He's a free thinker because he lets someone else tell him what to believe instead of the "man"? You're smarter than that man.

Again, I'm not talking about the flat earth thing, he brought up several other topics as well.

All of which are lacking in substance on actual critical thinking. Just because someone says to question things doesn't mean they're smart or they're thinking for themselves.

He literally is getting info from a likely youtube clip or any billion of stupid conspiratorial sites.

Come on sc, you're better than this dude. And I mean that.

I don't want to turn the "around the league" thread into a lengthy discussion on politics but I'm going to attempt to make a point here.

Do you believe the American government commits false flag attacks?

[DBC10]

Again, I'm not talking about the flat earth thing, he brought up several other topics as well.

All of which are lacking in substance on actual critical thinking. Just because someone says to question things doesn't mean they're smart or they're thinking for themselves.

He literally is getting info from a likely youtube clip or any billion of stupid conspiratorial sites.

Come on sc, you're better than this dude. And I mean that.

I don't want to turn the "around the league" thread into a lengthy discussion on politics but I'm going to attempt to make a point here.

Do you believe the American government commits false flag attacks?

Regardless of whether they do or not (I personally don't believe they do or at least a fraction of much as conspiracy theorists claims they do), being a skeptic of certain facts doesn't mean you can go claim your opinion willy nilly and say it's cannot be wrong. Having an opinion that the earth is flat or the moon landing fake or dinaosaurs not existing is wrong. It's a wrong opinion and shouldn't be condoned. It invites subjective relativity within the virtues of actual provable facts.

[sc8581]

All of which are lacking in substance on actual critical thinking. Just because someone says to question things doesn't mean they're smart or they're thinking for themselves.

He literally is getting info from a likely youtube clip or any billion of stupid conspiratorial sites.

Come on sc, you're better than this dude. And I mean that.

I don't want to turn the "around the league" thread into a lengthy discussion on politics but I'm going to attempt to make a point here.

Do you believe the American government commits false flag attacks?

Regardless of whether they do or not (I personally don't believe they do or at least a fraction of much as conspiracy theorists claims they do), being a skeptic of certain facts doesn't mean you can go claim your opinion willy nilly and say it's cannot be wrong. Having an opinion that the earth is flat or the moon landing fake or dinaosaurs not existing is wrong. It's a wrong opinion and shouldn't be condoned. It invites subjective relativity within the virtues of actual provable facts.

So you're obviously not familiar with Operation Northwoods back in 1962.

Point is, most (Americans in particular) refuse to believe anything out of the norm, even when the truth is right in front of their face. If you do just a little research on some of the things Kyrie brought up you will find very valid arguments that counterdict typical beliefs. Do I personally believe the earth is flat? I have no idea, but some things I've seen suggest that to be the case and neither one of us has seen undisputable evidence either way.

[Han Solo]

I don't want to turn the "around the league" thread into a lengthy discussion on politics but I'm going to attempt to make a point here.

Do you believe the American government commits false flag attacks?

Regardless of whether they do or not (I personally don't believe they do or at least a fraction of much as conspiracy theorists claims they do), being a skeptic of certain facts doesn't mean you can go claim your opinion willy nilly and say it's cannot be wrong. Having an opinion that the earth is flat or the moon landing fake or dinaosaurs not existing is wrong. It's a wrong opinion and shouldn't be condoned. It invites subjective relativity within the virtues of actual provable facts.

So you're obviously not familiar with Operation Northwoods back in 1962.

Point is, most (Americans in particular) refuse to believe anything out of the norm, even when the truth is right in front of their face. If you do just a little research on some of the things Kyrie brought up you will find very valid arguments that counterdict typical beliefs. Do I personally believe the earth is flat? I have no idea, but some things I've seen suggest that to be the case and neither one of us has seen undisputable evidence either way.

Kennedy and Cuba. He was our last good president.

[Phenomenonsense]

I don't want to turn the "around the league" thread into a lengthy discussion on politics but I'm going to attempt to make a point here.

Do you believe the American government commits false flag attacks?

Regardless of whether they do or not (I personally don't believe they do or at least a fraction of much as conspiracy theorists claims they do), being a skeptic of certain facts doesn't mean you can go claim your opinion willy nilly and say it's cannot be wrong. Having an opinion that the earth is flat or the moon landing fake or dinaosaurs not existing is wrong. It's a wrong opinion and shouldn't be condoned. It invites subjective relativity within the virtues of actual provable facts.

So you're obviously not familiar with Operation Northwoods back in 1962.

Point is, most (Americans in particular) refuse to believe anything out of the norm, even when the truth is right in front of their face. If you do just a little research on some of the things Kyrie brought up you will find very valid arguments that counterdict typical beliefs. Do I personally believe the earth is flat? I have no idea, but some things I've seen suggest that to be the case and neither one of us has seen undisputable evidence either way.

Right, but a proper rational person realizes that we see animals in **** clouds. We are designed to see and create patterns. That's what we do. Not every time we see "suspicious ****" does it mean that there is anything more than a coincidence.

[sc8581]

Regardless of whether they do or not (I personally don't believe they do or at least a fraction of much as conspiracy theorists claims they do), being a skeptic of certain facts doesn't mean you can go claim your opinion willy nilly and say it's cannot be wrong. Having an opinion that the earth is flat or the moon landing fake or dinaosaurs not existing is wrong. It's a wrong opinion and shouldn't be condoned. It invites subjective relativity within the virtues of actual provable facts.

So you're obviously not familiar with Operation Northwoods back in 1962.

Point is, most (Americans in particular) refuse to believe anything out of the norm, even when the truth is right in front of their face. If you do just a little research on some of the things Kyrie brought up you will find very valid arguments that counterdict typical beliefs. Do I personally believe the earth is flat? I have no idea, but some things I've seen suggest that to be the case and neither one of us has seen undisputable evidence either way.

Right, but a proper rational person realizes that we see animals in **** clouds. We are designed to see and create patterns. That's what we do. Not every time we see "suspicious ****" does it mean that there is anything more than a coincidence.

I just like to know that people are constantly checking for fire when they see smoke.

[Pharaoh]

Do you believe in coincidences?

What are the odds of a coincidence happening? How often should they happen?

The US government knew about Pearl Harbour too and there is some evidence to suggest landing man on the moon is impossible!

Not simply because of aateroid belts or whatever but because in the year 2017 we don't possess the technology to land them and bring them back!

How is THAT possible if we've already done it & now have better technology?

JFK assassination? MLK assassination?.Robert Kennedy? Malcolm X?

Apparently 95% of UFO sightings can be explained - what about the other 5%?

Rothchilds? NWO? Tri Lateral Commission? Illuminati?

Forget what movie it was but:

"How do you know who you're Daddy is? Cause you're Momma told you so"

If what we're told is true where does all this "alternative" stuff come from and WHY does it gain any traction at all?

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[Alexander]

Guys, wtf.

There are many great philosophical discussions to be had about perception and reality and truth/proof, but this is not one of them.

[ElectricMayhem]

I always keep it in the back of my head that any one of you could be a super-intelligent bison typing by sticking a toothpick in your mouth. We're told that bison aren't intelligent enough to comprehend human language. We're told that they have little to no access to toothpicks and computers. We're told a lot of things. I'm not saying any of you are actually super-intelligent bison, but I'm not saying that you're not either. There is simply no way of knowing, so any of you who go to one side of the fence or the other are just deluding yourselves.

[Pharaoh]

I always keep it in the back of my head that any one of you could be a super-intelligent bison typing by sticking a toothpick in your mouth. We're told that bison aren't intelligent enough to comprehend human language. We're told that they have little to no access to toothpicks and computers. We're told a lot of things. I'm not saying any of you are actually super-intelligent bison, but I'm not saying that you're not either. There is simply no way of knowing, so any of you who go to one side of the fence or the other are just deluding yourselves.

I lol'd

I consider myself to an average guy so when it comes to conspiracy theories I have a few questions:

Why do believe people in the "sinister, world controlling" bit? Like... when did that start, who thought about doing it, how did they do it, WHY do it and how is it still in place today?

And on the other hand:

Assuming the "sinister, world controlling" theory is complete and utter rubbish how come you can read all these articles about Rothchilds, Morgans, Rockefellers & others who are apparently part of it?

On a personal level IDGAF cause I can't change something that controls the world (or doesn't but people believe it does) but with a bit of spare time it's not hard to find an article on the subject

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[Pharaoh]

Also: what is it about certain events that triggers this "there MUST be a conspiracy" idea in people?

How does that happen?
Why does that happen?

And have parts of humanity always thought this way? Like in Ancient Egypt...say some big sandstorm came - was there a part of the population that thought it was because of this weird device someone had built inside a pyramid or some ****?

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[Phenomenonsense]

Do you believe in coincidences?

What are the odds of a coincidence happening? How often should they happen?

The US government knew about Pearl Harbour too and there is some evidence to suggest landing man on the moon is impossible!

Not simply because of aateroid belts or whatever but because in the year 2017 we don't possess the technology to land them and bring them back!

How is THAT possible if we've already done it & now have better technology?

JFK assassination? MLK assassination?.Robert Kennedy? Malcolm X?

Apparently 95% of UFO sightings can be explained - what about the other 5%?

Rothchilds? NWO? Tri Lateral Commission? Illuminati?

Forget what movie it was but:

"How do you know who you're Daddy is? Cause you're Momma told you so"

If what we're told is true where does all this "alternative" stuff come from and WHY does it gain any traction at all?

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I already said it bro. We see a dog in random cloud shapes when we really look at it. We are really bad with numbers. For example, there is a 50% chance that 23 people in a room have the same birthday. (Check the Birthday Paradox for the math.) There is Kipf's law, the 80/20 law. All of these things create things that are "too crazy to be coincidence." It gains traction for the same reason that Hipster's exist, people like to be in the "right minority" all the damn time.

[Canadafan]

Do you believe in coincidences?

What are the odds of a coincidence happening? How often should they happen?

The US government knew about Pearl Harbour too and there is some evidence to suggest landing man on the moon is impossible!

Not simply because of aateroid belts or whatever but because in the year 2017 we don't possess the technology to land them and bring them back!

How is THAT possible if we've already done it & now have better technology?

JFK assassination? MLK assassination?.Robert Kennedy? Malcolm X?

Apparently 95% of UFO sightings can be explained - what about the other 5%?

Rothchilds? NWO? Tri Lateral Commission? Illuminati?

Forget what movie it was but:

"How do you know who you're Daddy is? Cause you're Momma told you so"

If what we're told is true where does all this "alternative" stuff come from and WHY does it gain any traction at all?

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I already said it bro. We see a dog in random cloud shapes when we really look at it. We are really bad with numbers. For example, there is a 50% chance that 23 people in a room have the same birthday. (Check the Birthday Paradox for the math.) There is Kipf's law, the 80/20 law. All of these things create things that are "too crazy to be coincidence." It gains traction for the same reason that Hipster's exist, people like to be in the "right minority" all the damn time.

Thanks. I definitely feel smarter now reading about those 3 things. Or dumber

[DBC10]

Do you believe in coincidences?

What are the odds of a coincidence happening? How often should they happen?

The US government knew about Pearl Harbour too and there is some evidence to suggest landing man on the moon is impossible!

Not simply because of aateroid belts or whatever but because in the year 2017 we don't possess the technology to land them and bring them back!

How is THAT possible if we've already done it & now have better technology?

JFK assassination? MLK assassination?.Robert Kennedy? Malcolm X?

Apparently 95% of UFO sightings can be explained - what about the other 5%?

Rothchilds? NWO? Tri Lateral Commission? Illuminati?

Forget what movie it was but:

"How do you know who you're Daddy is? Cause you're Momma told you so"

If what we're told is true where does all this "alternative" stuff come from and WHY does it gain any traction at all?

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Honestly, it's because people are often bored. Think about the average life of an average human, it's not particularly exciting. Why do you think we have so many distractions in our daily lives and why we desperately rely on them? From smartphones to action movies, TV dramas to sports. Everyone needs an escape from reality since it's boring and they want to be the hero that somehow connects the dots on a particular so called conspiracy.

That's really it. Anything else is really just going around with confirmation bias and digging your head into the sand once that initial belief gets challenged. People want something more out there, it's been that way since the dawn of time. So it never surprises me when certain people think like the way they do, or at least in this special case, Kyrie being a famous person thinking like that is silly.

[sc8581]

There's been a conspiracy on ESPN all morning, everybody being asked about the Kyrie/flat earth thing is saying he was trolling when he clearly wasn't. That's how bigger lies get started people, wake up.

[Pharaoh]

Do you believe in coincidences?

What are the odds of a coincidence happening? How often should they happen?

The US government knew about Pearl Harbour too and there is some evidence to suggest landing man on the moon is impossible!

Not simply because of aateroid belts or whatever but because in the year 2017 we don't possess the technology to land them and bring them back!

How is THAT possible if we've already done it & now have better technology?

JFK assassination? MLK assassination?.Robert Kennedy? Malcolm X?

Apparently 95% of UFO sightings can be explained - what about the other 5%?

Rothchilds? NWO? Tri Lateral Commission? Illuminati?

Forget what movie it was but:

"How do you know who you're Daddy is? Cause you're Momma told you so"

If what we're told is true where does all this "alternative" stuff come from and WHY does it gain any traction at all?

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Honestly, it's because people are often bored. Think about the average life of an average human, it's not particularly exciting. Why do you think we have so many distractions in our daily lives and why we desperately rely on them? From smartphones to action movies, TV dramas to sports. Everyone needs an escape from reality since it's boring and they want to be the hero that somehow connects the dots on a particular so called conspiracy.

That's really it. Anything else is really just going around with confirmation bias and digging your head into the sand once that initial belief gets challenged. People want something more out there, it's been that way since the dawn of time. So it never surprises me when certain people think like the way they do, or at least in this special case, Kyrie being a famous person thinking like that is silly.

Yeah but WHY do some people think there's more out there?

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[Han Solo]

Question everything.

[DBC10]

Do you believe in coincidences?

What are the odds of a coincidence happening? How often should they happen?

The US government knew about Pearl Harbour too and there is some evidence to suggest landing man on the moon is impossible!

Not simply because of aateroid belts or whatever but because in the year 2017 we don't possess the technology to land them and bring them back!

How is THAT possible if we've already done it & now have better technology?

JFK assassination? MLK assassination?.Robert Kennedy? Malcolm X?

Apparently 95% of UFO sightings can be explained - what about the other 5%?

Rothchilds? NWO? Tri Lateral Commission? Illuminati?

Forget what movie it was but:

"How do you know who you're Daddy is? Cause you're Momma told you so"

If what we're told is true where does all this "alternative" stuff come from and WHY does it gain any traction at all?

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Honestly, it's because people are often bored. Think about the average life of an average human, it's not particularly exciting. Why do you think we have so many distractions in our daily lives and why we desperately rely on them? From smartphones to action movies, TV dramas to sports. Everyone needs an escape from reality since it's boring and they want to be the hero that somehow connects the dots on a particular so called conspiracy.

That's really it. Anything else is really just going around with confirmation bias and digging your head into the sand once that initial belief gets challenged. People want something more out there, it's been that way since the dawn of time. So it never surprises me when certain people think like the way they do, or at least in this special case, Kyrie being a famous person thinking like that is silly.

Yeah but WHY do some people think there's more out there?

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Are you insinuating that because people have a tendency to wonder why that it lends credence with the idea that there indeed is more out there?

Because that's basically circular reasoning and that's how I view conspiracy theorists as a whole. People are just silly and hopelessly average as a whole, they want their lives to desperately matter so they look to alternative views or answers in life to cope with the sheer mediocrity that is their life.

It's a coping mechanism, nothing more. I'm not even trying to be rude or offensive to anyone, but that is the truth. It's why cults get popular too.