The Boogie Watch

GotEm · Post #981 » by **GotEm** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:36 pm

This is the biggest superstar to have been traded since James Harden. And that was 4 years ago.

We'll have to wait another 4 years for the next biggest superstar to get traded.

I think Ryan McDonough should've cashed in with his assets. Both Miami picks plus the Suns pick this season, Warren, Len and one of either Bender/Chriss should've done the trick.

The sure thing in Cousins is much better than unknown draft prospects. Bledsoe/Booker/Cousins would've been an amazing tandem. Plus he would resign here since he's such good best friends with Bledsoe

Suns missed out imo.

*i don't consider Butler in the same tier as Cousins/Harden and I don't think Pacers will trade George, if anything Bird is too stubborn and will let him walk as a FA.

TeamTragic · Post #982 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:41 pm

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kennydorglas · Post #983 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:42 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
sunsbum wrote:I dont know how to embed tweets... buuuuuuuuut. yikes. You can see the look on his face "oh **** i shouldnt have said that" then the reporters are like DAFUK U JUST SAY? Vlade ended that interview about at about 6'1.

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Holy crap, this interview deserved a crying jordan

TeamTragic · Post #984 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:08 pm

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Post #985 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:17 pm

ray ray wrote:Don’t be surprise if the Suns do end up trading Brandon Knight to Orlando for Jeff Green’s expiring contract. That would give them the flexibility this offseason to maybe make a play for Demarcus Cousins. According to Cousins people, he is NOT happy with this trade. He feels like he and Anthony Davis are the same player in a sense that they both need the ball in their hands to be effective. Of course that can changes once they play together.

That's what I'm sort of hoping for. Maybe you have more insight than I but I felt the Pels didn't pay full value for Cousins because both sides knew there wasn't a guarantee he wasn't just going to be a rental. The fact that Cousins already has questions about being able to play with another superstar big man gives some credence to that thought. As you mentioned, once they do play, things could be different though.

That said, I've always had a soft spot for the Nawlins and if Cousins had to go somewhere, I'm glad it's there and not to LA or some other big market team.

Post #986 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:19 pm

GotEm wrote:This is the biggest superstar to have been traded since James Harden. And that was 4 years ago.

We'll have to wait another 4 years for the next biggest superstar to get traded.

I think Ryan McDonough should've cashed in with his assets. Both Miami picks plus the Suns pick this season, Warren, Len and one of either Bender/Chriss should've done the trick.

The sure thing in Cousins is much better than unknown draft prospects. Bledsoe/Booker/Cousins would've been an amazing tandem. Plus he would resign here since he's such good best friends with Bledsoe

Suns missed out imo.

*i don't consider Butler in the same tier as Cousins/Harden and I don't think Pacers will trade George, if anything Bird is too stubborn and will let him walk as a FA.

The problem is, it wasn't like we were being tight with our assets. Our offer was much better than what the Pels offered and it just seemed like they had no interest in dealing with us at all.

Post #987 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:21 pm

gaspar wrote:

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I just don't know what to say...

So is he just being a d-bag and trolling the King's fanbase or is he highlighting his stupidity?

TeamTragic · Post #988 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:25 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
gaspar wrote:

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I just don't know what to say...

So is he just being a d-bag and trolling the King's fanbase or is he highlighting his stupidity?

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TeamTragic · Post #989 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:26 pm

Vlade on Sports 1140 in about 5 minutes:

http://player.radio.com/listen/station/sports-1140-khtk

Saberestar · Post #990 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:42 pm

Gambo: Suns made the best move of all by not trading for DeMarcus Cousins.

I am extremely happy that we all woke up this morning and Cousins is not a member of the Suns.

"We would have traded for him at the right price,” said McDonough. “We didn’t want to break up our young core to get him.”

One prominent NBA high ranking executive told me there are 25 teams in the league who wouldn’t take Cousins for free. And he was serious.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1030321/gambo-suns-made-the-best-move-of-all-by-not-trading-for-cousins/

Villalobos · Post #991 » by **Villalobos** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:41 am

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Christine-In-AZ · Post #992 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:45 am

If you do believe Woj represents the word, he sure indicates/confirms the Suns did not have a strong interest in getting Cousins. Go to minute 22.

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Post #993 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:49 am

Villalobos wrote:

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Vivek is so bad it's crazy. When your own GM says publicly that they had better deals on the table and you decide to take this one, you're being called out for being the worst owner in the league.

AtheJ415 · Post #994 » by **AtheJ415** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:54 am

GotEm wrote:This is the biggest superstar to have been traded since James Harden. And that was 4 years ago.

We'll have to wait another 4 years for the next biggest superstar to get traded.

I think Ryan McDonough should've cashed in with his assets. Both Miami picks plus the Suns pick this season, Warren, Len and one of either Bender/Chriss should've done the trick.

The sure thing in Cousins is much better than unknown draft prospects. Bledsoe/Booker/Cousins would've been an amazing tandem. Plus he would resign here since he's such good best friends with Bledsoe

Suns missed out imo.

*i don't consider Butler in the same tier as Cousins/Harden and I don't think Pacers will trade George, if anything Bird is too stubborn and will let him walk as a FA.

I cannot disagree more. Just because superstars are rarely traded doesn't mean you should throw all of your assets into a pot to get one. What you proposed is 3 firsts including a likely top 3 pick (maybe 2 depending on Miami), plus 2 really good rising players in Warren and Bender/Chriss (both recent firsts), plus one of the top 5 rim protectors under 30 in Len.

There is a limit to a superstar's value, particularly one like Cousins who can leave in 2 years and has a ton of baggage.

Our pick is likely going to turn into one of Fultz, Ball, or Jackson. The unprotected Miami pick could end up very high as well. All the while, we could sign Cousins in 2 years after drafting these guys. If he truly wants to play with Bledsoe he will at least hear us out.

Not to mention our offer was simply better than Sac's. Their owner is obsessed with Buddy Hield. Nothing you can do there, and overpaying isn't the answer.

A combination of picks and young players historically is what is traded, but 3 in combination is about it. What you are proposing here is that we should've thrown 5 up there with Len including a nearly assured top 3 pick and a recent #4 pick in Bender. That is just unprecedented. And that's without acknowledging that our team with Cousins has no prayer of contending with GS and Cleveland. We are so much better off just waiting it out and continuing to rebuild through the draft so that our peak is when the Warriors are old.

The only pro with this Suns team going after Cousins, and the only way it is a good idea, was if we got him for a bargain due to incompetent ownership and management. Getting him for even equal value doesn't make sense for us. It makes sense for NO because they got a bargain due to a stupid owner's man-crush on a 39% shooter.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #995 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:57 am

What surprises me with the split opinion on Cousins is that there were only a handful of people wanting to rebuild through the draft just 2 years ago.

Phystic · Post #996 » by **Phystic** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:35 am

GotEm wrote:I think Ryan McDonough should've cashed in with his assets. Both Miami picks plus the Suns pick this season, Warren, Len and one of either Bender/Chriss should've done the trick.

Are you crazy? Thank the good lord you aren't in our Front Office. :crazy:

RaisingArizona · Post #997 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:38 am

Phystic wrote:
GotEm wrote:I think Ryan McDonough should've cashed in with his assets. Both Miami picks plus the Suns pick this season, Warren, Len and one of either Bender/Chriss should've done the trick.

Are you crazy? Thank the good lord you aren't in our Front Office.

5 lotto picks for a potential 1 year rental. Yikes. I wanted Boogie but nowhere near that much.

AZWildByNature · Post #998 » by **AZWildByNature** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:39 am

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I am going to leave this here...

GotEm · Post #999 » by **GotEm** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:41 am

Phystic wrote:
GotEm wrote:I think Ryan McDonough should've cashed in with his assets. Both Miami picks plus the Suns pick this season, Warren, Len and one of either Bender/Chriss should've done the trick.

Are you crazy? Thank the good lord you aren't in our Front Office.

Once Cousins goes off and helps lead the Pelicans to the playoffs like Harden did in Houston, their gonna regret not offering that making the deal. He's not gonna have any more baggage now that he's out of dysfunctional Sacramento. Unless those 3 first rd picks all turn into superstars that are better than Cousins which I think is unlikely. Bledsoe/Booker/Cousins plus some young prospects like Chriss or Bender, Ulis would be a top 4 seed in the West in their first full season together.

Phystic · Post #1000 » by **Phystic** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:43 am

Saberestar wrote:Gambo: Suns made the best move of all by not trading for DeMarcus Cousins.

I am extremely happy that we all woke up this morning and Cousins is not a member of the Suns.

"We would have traded for him at the right price,” said McDonough. “We didn’t want to break up our young core to get him.”

One prominent NBA high ranking executive told me there are 25 teams in the league who wouldn’t take Cousins for free. And he was serious.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1030321/gambo-suns-made-the-best-move-of-all-by-not-trading-for-cousins/

I'm not one to bash on Gambo, but this is just stupid. I can see the merits in being against the Suns trading for Boogie, but to say 25 teams wouldn't take him for free is just idiotic.