Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[gambitx777]

We are going to package our pick for Lou Williams. There's too much smoke for there to be no fire.

Ernie probably would have blown the pick anyway.

Ernie is so bad at scouting that he justifies his bad trades.

I mean can we say that. sure the jan pick was bad and singleton was a moderate risk not a real stretch. Mack is still in the league, McGee is still in the league, Young is still in the league. Wall is the best PG in the league, beal is a borderline allatar, and porter is a top 12 SF. Tomas and kelley have a lot of potential too. Its not likes he drafted like the kings.

I don't think that lou williams is going to happen, at least not for our 2017 first, because if that were the case it would have happened already. if we make it Nicholson and a second in 2017 for Lou I can live with that.

[pineappleheadindc]

Come on man.
Just come on.

Yes a trade with
Mahinmi, our 2018 first for Rondo and portis makes sense. For a lot of reasons.
But they are not going to give up Portis and a pick for burke thornton and ochifu !

I assumed deneem had us giving the pick & just wrote it up wrong.

No one is giving anything at all for Burke, Thornton & Ochefu!

Wait a minute, how about a protected 2017 second-round pick, McLellan, House, Ochefu, Burke, Thornton and rights to Juan Carlos Navarro for Portis, Rondo, Mirotic and 2017 and 2018 first-round picks.

Get her done, Ernie!

[Dat2U]

Nicholson and burke and a loto protected 2020 protected first and cash to the wolves for Pekovic.
We can buy out Pekovic who is probably going to retire any way. and get some instant cap relief.
Burke can help back up those young PGs and since they might move rubio burke might be a good idea to have and nicholson is still 36 and on a cheap money deal, 6 mill is not bad in this day in age. Eh might or might not work who knows.

[gambitx777]

Nicholson and burke and a loto protected 2020 protected first and cash to the wolves for Pekovic.
We can buy out Pekovic who is probably going to retire any way. and get some instant cap relief.
Burke can help back up those young PGs and since they might move rubio burke might be a good idea to have and nicholson is still 36 and on a cheap money deal, 6 mill is not bad in this day in age. Eh might or might not work who knows.

Why in the world would you oppose this trade! its not too out of this world that the wolves would accept it. You could make it a 2019 first but I would rather walk. Peck is done, he is either going to retire or take a buyout, If mini were willing to just write him a check they would have already done it. You can buy him out and you loose that nicholson deal and we don't have to see burke again. Its not crazy its not stupid, it just works !

[Error Afflalo]

Lots of interested nuggets from Zach Lowe's latest article:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18727231/zach-lowe-jimmy-butler-boston-celtics-latest-nba-trade-deadline-talk

Basically rehashes his thoughts on a Lou Williams to the Wizards deal, but has some stuff about other trades around the league.

Lowe brings up a great point about waiting the Lakers out. I'd give up an unprotected 1st for a versatile wing like Chandler, but as far as backup guards go, there are cheaper, gettable options out there. We've discussed Collison, but I'd even settle for Ty Lawson and his expiring minimum before giving up a 1st for Lou.

[gambitx777]

Lots of interested nuggets from Zach Lowe's latest article:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18727231/zach-lowe-jimmy-butler-boston-celtics-latest-nba-trade-deadline-talk

Basically rehashes his thoughts on a Lou Williams to the Wizards deal, but has some stuff about other trades around the league.

Lowe brings up a great point about waiting the Lakers out. I'd give up an unprotected 1st for a versatile wing like Chandler, but as far as backup guards go, there are cheaper, gettable options out there. We've discussed Collison, but I'd even settle for Ty Lawson and his expiring minimum before giving up a 1st for Lou.

I would rather sign Donald Sloan out of china than give up a first for Lou.

[JWizmentality]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18727231/zach-lowe-jimmy-butler-boston-celtics-latest-nba-trade-deadline-talk

The Clippers are still kicking the tires on everything, including their pipedream of snaring Carmelo Anthony from the Kazoos without giving up any of their core four guys. They've called about almost every available small forward type, but no one is in a rush to take Jamal Crawford, Austin Rivers, and a distant first-round pick. That won't get them Wilson Chandler, and the Wiz threw their phones on the floor when the Clippers inquired about Otto Porter, per league sources.

[Jimmy Recard]

Yeah I think I'm cooling off on giving up a 1st for Lou Will, even if we send Nicholson along with the pick.

Listening to Lowe talk about him on his podcast reminded me when we played the Raps in the playoffs a couple years ago. Remember thinking coming into the series that he was gonna murder our second unit and it just didn't happen. Mainly because the refs let them play in the postseason and don't fall for his bs running into defenders and throwing up junk to get to the line. And he's an awful defender to boot. And he's on the wrong side of 30.

Not that I wouldn't love to have him as our 6th man - he'd be an instant upgrade to any back up guard we've had in the Wall era. Just don't think he's worth a 1st, especially in this draft.

[80sballboy]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18727231/zach-lowe-jimmy-butler-boston-celtics-latest-nba-trade-deadline-talk

Who else wants to win now?

The Clippers are still kicking the tires on everything, including their pipedream of snaring Carmelo Anthony from the Kazoos without giving up any of their core four guys. They've called about almost every available small forward type, but no one is in a rush to take Jamal Crawford, Austin Rivers, and a distant first-round pick. That won't get them Wilson Chandler, and the Wiz threw their phones on the floor when the Clippers inquired about Otto Porter, per league sources.

(The Nuggets, for their part, are seeking a lottery-protected first-round pick and swap rights on another pick for Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler, sources say. They want that No. 8 spot in the West, but they think they can get it even if they surrender one of those guys.)

[Tricky_Kid]

We are going to package our pick for Lou Williams. There's too much smoke for there to be no fire.

Ernie probably would have blown the pick anyway.

Ernie is so bad at scouting that he justifies his bad trades.

I want Lou Will off as our trading picture. As I said earlier when it comes down to playoffs he is useless, his D is on Vasquez level (no existing) and his shot selection is very poor. Besides he likes the ball and is questionable if He would like to play team offense. I love our ball movement and hate all ball hogs like Lou Will.

Off topic. Can U check if my PM had successfully reached out your email box?

[nuposse04]

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So... Deron Williams for Nicholson+burke+2 2nd round pics?

I'd prefer doing it for one 2nd but I'm guessing Dal would ultimately want a late 1st, I'd probably part ways with a '18 protected 1st.

[Dat2U]

Nicholson and burke and a loto protected 2020 protected first and cash to the wolves for Pekovic.
We can buy out Pekovic who is probably going to retire any way. and get some instant cap relief.
Burke can help back up those young PGs and since they might move rubio burke might be a good idea to have and nicholson is still 36 and on a cheap money deal, 6 mill is not bad in this day in age. Eh might or might not work who knows.

Why in the world would you oppose this trade! its not too out of this world that the wolves would accept it. You could make it a 2019 first but I would rather walk. Peck is done, he is either going to retire or take a buyout, If mini were willing to just write him a check they would have already done it. You can buy him out and you loose that nicholson deal and we don't have to see burke again. Its not crazy its not stupid, it just works !

Nicholson only makes $6 million a year. That's not an albatross. I want him off the roster too but it's a horrible use of an asset to dump Nicholson and add nothing of value to the roster. So yes it a pretty bad idea to put it nicely.

[AFM]

We are going to package our pick for Lou Williams. There's too much smoke for there to be no fire.

Ernie probably would have blown the pick anyway.

Ernie is so bad at scouting that he justifies his bad trades.

I want Lou Will off as our trading picture. As I said earlier when it comes down to playoffs he is useless, his D is on Vasquez level (no existing) and his shot selection is very poor. Besides he likes the ball and is questionable if He would like to play team offense. I love our ball movement and hate all ball hogs like Lou Will.

Off topic. Can U check if my PM had successfully reached out your email box?

Yeah I got it man, I'll respond tomorrow.

[Dat2U]

Lots of interested nuggets from Zach Lowe's latest article:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18727231/zach-lowe-jimmy-butler-boston-celtics-latest-nba-trade-deadline-talk

Basically rehashes his thoughts on a Lou Williams to the Wizards deal, but has some stuff about other trades around the league.

Lowe brings up a great point about waiting the Lakers out. I'd give up an unprotected 1st for a versatile wing like Chandler, but as far as backup guards go, there are cheaper, gettable options out there. We've discussed Collison, but I'd even settle for Ty Lawson and his expiring minimum before giving up a 1st for Lou.

I would rather sign Donald Sloan out of china than give up a first for Lou.

Wait a minute.. Your willing to pay the Wolves a 1st rounder to dump Nicholson and get nothing back yet your disgusted by the idea of giving up a 1st from swapping Nicholson for Lou? What type of logic is taking place here?

[Dat2U]

Lowe made some good points but that Toronto series was a couple of years ago. Williams is playing at another level now. He's got career highs across the board. His game is more than just drawing fouls. His TS% is sky high, his PER, ast %, WS/48, BPM, RPM and on/off differential are all up. Its possible guys improve with age. Also he'd help our playoff run no matter what because he'd clearly help in challenging Boston for a 2-seed during the regular season and he would obviously allow Brooks to cut Wall & Beal's minutes to keep them fresh for a playoff run.

[NatP4]

So the Jazz are interested in Lou Williams, and the asking price is a 1st round pick(expected)

[gambitx777]

Lowe brings up a great point about waiting the Lakers out. I'd give up an unprotected 1st for a versatile wing like Chandler, but as far as backup guards go, there are cheaper, gettable options out there. We've discussed Collison, but I'd even settle for Ty Lawson and his expiring minimum before giving up a 1st for Lou.

I would rather sign Donald Sloan out of china than give up a first for Lou.

Wait a minute.. Your willing to pay the Wolves a 1st rounder to dump Nicholson and get nothing back yet your disgusted by the idea of giving up a 1st from swapping Nicholson for Lou? What type of logic is taking place here?

I am ok giving up a protected pick in 2020 to dump a long term contract that we are not using so we can make rooms form more useful players, I am not ok with giving up an unprotected pick in a very good draft this year, for a 31 year old chuck shooter undersized 2, who can't defend is not that good of a passer or fasilitator, who is padding the box score on a terrible team, who will not particularly help us in the playoffs either.

[gambitx777]

So the Jazz are interested in Lou Williams, and the asking price is a 1st round pick(expected)

let them over pay for him. They can have him.

[NatP4]

Lowe made some good points but that Toronto series was a couple of years ago. Williams is playing at another level now. He's got career highs across the board. His game is more than just drawing fouls. His TS% is sky high, his PER, ast %, WS/48, BPM, RPM and on/off differential are all up. Its possible guys improve with age. Also he'd help our playoff run no matter what because he'd clearly help in challenging Boston for a 2-seed during the regular season and he would obviously allow Brooks to cut Wall & Beal's minutes to keep them fresh for a playoff run.

Also, in that Toronto series, all we did was trap every single Lowry Derozan Lou Williams pick and roll and forced the rest of those scrubs to beat us and they didn't even come close . It was like a collection of an injured Jonas, Terence Ross, who was terrible all series, Vasquez, who was unplayable, and Amir Johnson, who couldn't hit a shot from anywhere.

Obviously, we have some different weapons on our team that can score the ball, we also have Satoransky and Oubre that are versatile defenders that can mix and match defensively for him, and Mahinmi, who can play great help D behind him.

Still not a big fan, just pointing out how different the situations were

[NatP4]

I'm OK if we come away with a Lou Williams Satoransky backcourt, I think they can do some damage, still holding out hope that Ernie can do better. I think he will.