Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[AFM]

Just do it. 1st Rd Pick for Lou.

All arguments pointing to the value of a late first round pick forget that we have Ernie "blindfold" Grunfeld as our GM

[gambitx777]

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So... Deron Williams for Nicholson+burke+2 2nd round pics?

I'd prefer doing it for one 2nd but I'm guessing Dal would ultimately want a late 1st, I'd probably part ways with a '18 protected 1st.

100% load up the 2017 2018 seconds ! and get that done ! I can live with a play off motivated Williams for half a year! With some other moves that could go a long way to fixing our bench.

[NatP4]

Just do it. 1st Rd Pick for Lou.

All arguments pointing to the value of a late first round pick forget that we have Ernie "blindfold" Grunfeld as our GM

That "blindfold grunfeld" that you are referring to, picked singleton Vesely, Seraphin, and Javele McGee....oh ****.

1st for Lou, do it

[J-Ves]

Just do it. 1st Rd Pick for Lou.

All arguments pointing to the value of a late first round pick forget that we have Ernie "blindfold" Grunfeld as our GM

Only if Nicholson is going with the pick

[gambitx777]

Just do it. 1st Rd Pick for Lou.

All arguments pointing to the value of a late first round pick forget that we have Ernie "blindfold" Grunfeld as our GM

That "blindfold grunfeld" that you are referring to, picked singleton Vesely, Seraphin, and Javele McGee....oh ****.

1st for Lou, do it

Yeah jan was bad, singleton just didn't work out its not like he was a reach.
Young, McGee, Seraphin, Mack and Booker, are all still in the league.

[Jimmy Recard]

Lowe made some good points but that Toronto series was a couple of years ago. Williams is playing at another level now. He's got career highs across the board. His game is more than just drawing fouls. His TS% is sky high, his PER, ast %, WS/48, BPM, RPM and on/off differential are all up. Its possible guys improve with age. Also he'd help our playoff run no matter what because he'd clearly help in challenging Boston for a 2-seed during the regular season and he would obviously allow Brooks to cut Wall & Beal's minutes to keep them fresh for a playoff run.

Also, in that Toronto series, all we did was trap every single Lowry Derozan Lou Williams pick and roll and forced the rest of those scrubs to beat us and they didn't even come close . It was like a collection of an injured Jonas, Terence Ross, who was terrible all series, Vasquez, who was unplayable, and Amir Johnson, who couldn't hit a shot from anywhere.

Obviously, we have some different weapons on our team that can score the ball, we also have Satoransky and Oubre that are versatile defenders that can mix and match defensively for him, and Mahinmi, who can play great help D behind him.

Still not a big fan, just pointing out how different the situations were

I think what worries me more than anything is that Ernie doesn't give up 1st's unless his plan is to secure said player to a long term deal. So you know he's gonna get paid in 2018 FA. So we're looking at potentially overpaying a 32 year old Lou to a multi year deal next year, if not, we're giving up our 1st in a good draft for a year and half rental.

[deneem4]

Come on man.
Just come on.

Yes a trade with
Mahinmi, our 2018 first for Rondo and portis makes sense. For a lot of reasons.
But they are not going to give up Portis and a pick for burke thornton and ochifu !

I assumed deneem had us giving the pick & just wrote it up wrong.

No one is giving anything at all for Burke, Thornton & Ochefu!

Wait a minute, how about a protected 2017 second-round pick, McLellan, House, Ochefu, Burke, Thornton and rights to Juan Carlos Navarro for Portis, Rondo, Mirotic and 2017 and 2018 first-round picks.

Yea I said it backwards
Burke Thornton ochefu 2018 1st for portis and mirotic

[gambitx777]

I would do nicholson 2018 first for Mirotic.

[ozthegap]

Just do it. 1st Rd Pick for Lou.

All arguments pointing to the value of a late first round pick forget that we have Ernie "blindfold" Grunfeld as our GM

That "blindfold grunfeld" that you are referring to, picked singleton Vesely, Seraphin, and Javele McGee....oh ****.

1st for Lou, do it

Yeah jan was bad, singleton just didn't work out its not like he was a reach.
Young, McGee, Seraphin, Mack and Booker, are all still in the league.

You forgot Juan Dixon, Jared Jeffries, Juan Carlos Navarro, that dude who's name started with an h ( Hamda-something), glen rice jr

[NatP4]

i think the celtics are about to get Melo for Amir Johnson, Avery Bradley, Terry Rozier, and two 1st round picks. you heard it here first, we need to make a move.

[Jimmy Recard]

i think the celtics are about to get Melo for Amir Johnson, Avery Bradley, Terry Rozier, and two 1st round picks. you heard it here first, we need to make a move.

Ainge is an idiot if he does that

[stevemcqueen1]

Just do it. 1st Rd Pick for Lou.

All arguments pointing to the value of a late first round pick forget that we have Ernie "blindfold" Grunfeld as our GM

The FO has more hits than misses in the draft since 2010. Seraphin, Singleton, and Vesley were his only bad first round picks. Wall, Beal, Porter, Booker, and Oubre were all good picks. He's had a couple of solid second round choices too in Sato, Clarkson, and Mack. Problem is he's sold off those second rounders for cash and traded firsts for vets as much as he's actually kept and used the picks.

But at least when we traded firsts for Keef and Gortat we got back starting bigs. That's a way better return than a first for Lou Williams. Lou Williams is a good player and he could definitely help us. The issue is trading a first for him is imprudent. Draft picks are precious now because of the cheap contracts and long term assets they yield. We need that more than we need to rent a good sixth man in a year where we aren't contenders.

[NatP4]

Just do it. 1st Rd Pick for Lou.

All arguments pointing to the value of a late first round pick forget that we have Ernie "blindfold" Grunfeld as our GM

The FO has more hits than misses in the draft since 2010. Seraphin, Singleton, and Vesley were his only bad first round picks. Wall, Beal, Porter, Booker, and Oubre were all good picks. He's had a couple of solid second round choices too in Sato, Clarkson, and Mack. Problem is he's sold off those second rounders for cash and traded firsts for vets as much as he's actually kept and used the picks.

But at least when we traded firsts for Keef and Gortat we got back starting bigs. That's a way better return than a first for Lou Williams. Lou Williams is a good player and he could definitely help us. The issue is trading a first for him is imprudent. Draft picks are precious now because of the cheap contracts and long term assets they yield. We need that more than we need to rent a good sixth man in a year where we aren't contenders.

We are contenders.

[Ndoggmoneycash]

i think the celtics are about to get Melo for Amir Johnson, Avery Bradley, Terry Rozier, and two 1st round picks. you heard it here first, we need to make a move.

Melo isn't that valuable, the Celtics would be getting fleeced.

[dangermouse]

Just listened to a bit of the Lowe-Windhorst pod. Lowe doesn't think we should trade a 1st for Lou Williams. Feels like in the playoffs, refs won't fall for his drawing-fouls offensive skill set. Windhorst & Lowe both feel its a lock that the Wiz will trade for a bench upgrade. Lowe would rather have Collison.

Yes, preach Lowe. I'd rather steal Collison for free OR scoop Tyreke off of waivers.

sign Tyreke and trade for Bojan with a 2nd

Trade for Collison with a 2nd

It would be unacceptable to trade our 2017 1st for Lou Williams at this point, Meliorus was right about the market. We should be lowballing teams

I love the idea of signing a released Tyreke and trading for Bojan. Thats a much more balanced second unit than if we traded for Terrence Jones.

Im not really sold on Collison. Or Lou. But I think I'd prefer Lou, just not for a first.

[deneem4]

I think we need more front court scoring...rather than backcourt scoring off the bench...
Bigs and forwards off the bench are usually harder to stop

[stevemcqueen1]

Just do it. 1st Rd Pick for Lou.

All arguments pointing to the value of a late first round pick forget that we have Ernie "blindfold" Grunfeld as our GM

The FO has more hits than misses in the draft since 2010. Seraphin, Singleton, and Vesley were his only bad first round picks. Wall, Beal, Porter, Booker, and Oubre were all good picks. He's had a couple of solid second round choices too in Sato, Clarkson, and Mack. Problem is he's sold off those second rounders for cash and traded firsts for vets as much as he's actually kept and used the picks.

But at least when we traded firsts for Keef and Gortat we got back starting bigs. That's a way better return than a first for Lou Williams. Lou Williams is a good player and he could definitely help us. The issue is trading a first for him is imprudent. Draft picks are precious now because of the cheap contracts and long term assets they yield. We need that more than we need to rent a good sixth man in a year where we aren't contenders.

We are contenders.

You underestimate Cleveland and especially Golden State.

[Meliorus]

Just do it. 1st Rd Pick for Lou.

All arguments pointing to the value of a late first round pick forget that we have Ernie "blindfold" Grunfeld as our GM

The FO has more hits than misses in the draft since 2010. Seraphin, Singleton, and Vesley were his only bad first round picks. Wall, Beal, Porter, Booker, and Oubre were all good picks. He's had a couple of solid second round choices too in Sato, Clarkson, and Mack. Problem is he's sold off those second rounders for cash and traded firsts for vets as much as he's actually kept and used the picks.

But at least when we traded firsts for Keef and Gortat we got back starting bigs. That's a way better return than a first for Lou Williams. Lou Williams is a good player and he could definitely help us. The issue is trading a first for him is imprudent. Draft picks are precious now because of the cheap contracts and long term assets they yield. We need that more than we need to rent a good sixth man in a year where we aren't contenders.

Other GMs think we're one of the best drafters in the entire league. Wall/Beal/Otto how can you beat that???

[stevemcqueen1]

We need a litany of good late first and early second round draft picks to recite whenever we get tempted by the thought of dealing a first for someone like Lou Williams.

- Rudy Gobert - 27th pick
- Draymond Green - 35th
- Montrezl Harrell -32nd
- Jae Crowder - 34th
- Khris Middleton - 39th
- Malcolm Brogdon - 36th
- Jimmy Butler - 30th
- Hassan Whiteside - 33rd
- Clint Capela - 25th
- Willy Hernangomez - 35th
- Taj Gibson - 26th
- DeMarre Carroll - 27th
- Patrick Beverly - 42nd
- Serge Ibaka - 24th
- George Hill - 26th
- DeAndre Jordan - 35th
- Marc Gasol - 48th

[NiteOwl]

That is 17 players spanning 5 or 6 drafts - you are looking at a less than 10% hit rate. If Ernie can somehow get the Lakers to take Nicholson in the deal, I am 100% behind it.