Poll/Discussion: Would you trade Middleton for the Nets Pick?

[ampd]

Nah I'm saying a college coach would most likely miss-use him. But he's a borderline lottery talent imo.

aw gotcha now, sorry
Yeah this is a possibility...

Yeah I dunno. I actually reckon with his ball handling and shooting he could have looked really good.

Another non-huge NCAA follower, but are there that many massive guys that would throw him around?

No most ncaa teams have Cs that wouldn't even be big for nba pfs. Jabari played some C in college at duke.

Thon was drafted by us in the lottery so I'd imagine a year of him proving he can do it against non high school competition would help him some. The age stuff would probably hold him back and be a much bigger deal though since being a star in college would give him the kind of exposure he doesn't get in the nba.

[Chapter29]

This goes to actually building a team, Middleton fits perfectly with Giannis, many of you think getting a bunch off talented kids is all that matters regardless of fit....don't know enough about Fulz....if he is selfless, can play D and shoot I'd do it.....anything less, than no...is fulz better than Ball? I guess I don't even know which teenager is the best.

Yep.

Fit, coaching, system. Take this exact same group of players and replace them with every team in the league. You're going to get a bunch of different results. Same with adding and removing players from the team or the lineup. Fit matters. Living in the lottery is dangerous and seemingly many teams stay there forever.

I wonder if you swapped rosters with SA and Pop and his staff had this team. How would this roster fair? I would say we'd be quite a bit better. Over .500 for sure.

With that, I am torn. I like Middleton quite a bit. A 3&D play making wing doesn't grow on trees. I'd rather move him for a vet like George.

[hege53190]

Don't think he sniffs lottery. He'd be banging in the post and look awful, probably wouldn't come out.

so we're saying that in the NBA he excites people, he's talked about in TV shows, they ask Giannis about him, the whole team is raving about him, however in the more difficult NCAA he would underwhelm and be exposed as a low level talent who doesn't sniff lottery.

He barely plays. People get excited about big guys coming in during garbage time and popping threes. When you have to carry a team and play 30 minutes a game, the reality of the player reveals itself. Plus the fact that he is 24 acting like he is 19 would probably turn almost every team off.

[mrmaskl]

I would trade Middleton for 2018 Nets draft pick, so we could get Luka Dončić.

[DrWood]

Can't believe the vote is as close as it is. I'd add Monroe and Snell too to get the deal done. Rebuild around Giannis, Thon, Brogs, and 2 lottery picks in the upcoming draft.

I'm in your camp on this one. That said, the pick could end up 4th overall and the guy you pick be the next Johnny Flynn or OJ Mayo. While Middleton goes on to be some hybrid of Paul Pierce/Klay Thompson.

The chance for the #1 slot to fall to #4 is extremely low. Has it ever happened?

[DrWood]

Don't think he sniffs lottery. He'd be banging in the post and look awful, probably wouldn't come out.

so we're saying that in the NBA he excites people, he's talked about in TV shows, they ask Giannis about him, the whole team is raving about him, however in the more difficult NCAA he would underwhelm and be exposed as a low level talent who doesn't sniff lottery.

Nah I'm saying a college coach would most likely miss-use him. But he's a borderline lottery talent imo.

I was pretty ambivalent about Thon's selection, but considering how he's played in limited minutes, I think he well-deserved the tenth pick.

[trwi7]

Can't believe the vote is as close as it is. I'd add Monroe and Snell too to get the deal done. Rebuild around Giannis, Thon, Brogs, and 2 lottery picks in the upcoming draft.

I'm in your camp on this one. That said, the pick could end up 4th overall and the guy you pick be the next Johnny Flynn or OJ Mayo. While Middleton goes on to be some hybrid of Paul Pierce/Klay Thompson.

The chance for the #1 slot to fall to #4 is extremely low. Has it ever happened?

2007 when 1, 2 and 3 fell to 4, 5 and 6. Might have happened more but that's the one that's in everyone's mind. Partly because we were 3 and partly because of the conspiracy theory that Stern was punishing the top 3 teams in the lotto standings for blatantly tanking to try to position themselves for Oden and Durant.

[sdn40]

My view is that we are in a different window than 3 years ago. Today, every time you trade a piece, you are pushing the Giannis window. And by window, I mean the 3 year window to show that we are not just f'in a monkey trying to build a legit team. While Giannis doesn't care for change, and speaks about his loyalty, he is now going to have many players around the league in his ear, along with his agent, offering up opinions on a better path. To think that he will stay in Milwaukee regardless of what happens here is dangerous.

Some people want to trade players for picks in a never ending cycle until instant magic happens. It doesn't happen that way. Also, to be honest, I don't want Giannis to be the elder statesman of this team. This may sound stupid, but he will always be a bit more naive in so many ways. He can be a leader in some ways, but we definitely need other leaders.

It's still about having a plan in place and acquiring pieces, and keeping pieces. And not all the pieces have to be lottery picks. I think Middleton is a very very nice piece, and I would say the same for Monroe. I don't know what we will target in the draft or FA or what players we may dump, so its certainly hard to pinpoint the correct move. I can say that I am certainly not all about the draft picks regardless of player at this point. To me, that can turn into a treadmill.

[mosby]

i would trade henson for the nets pick

[Gianstoppable]

i would trade henson for the nets pick

Top 55 protected 2019

[TJseven]

I love mids but I said yes. Main reason being age and money. We could basically pay bradley and get 1 for mids. Not that boston makes that offer but in 2018 we could take him as an ufa.

Its the 14-15 mil 1.5 years from an opt out into a 20 mil deal that makes me say yes. But if you dont get porter or bradley in his stead that could end up making us worse.

I mean...
Maker giannis isaac bradley fultz brodgon parker isn't far fetched if you burn it down hard now and trade mids for 1. Anything else is kinda gravy.
Or even
Maker giannis porter snell fultz patton brogdon parker... o runs through giannis fultz... big bench minutes for parker brogdon.

Mids is great but there are other dudes who would fit with giannis

[humanrefutation]

Can't believe the vote is as close as it is. I'd add Monroe and Snell too to get the deal done. Rebuild around Giannis, Thon, Brogs, and 2 lottery picks in the upcoming draft.

I'm in your camp on this one. That said, the pick could end up 4th overall and the guy you pick be the next Johnny Flynn or OJ Mayo. While Middleton goes on to be some hybrid of Paul Pierce/Klay Thompson.

The chance for the #1 slot to fall to #4 is extremely low. Has it ever happened?

There's like a 36% chance of it. I wouldn't say that's extremely low.

[DrWood]

I'm in your camp on this one. That said, the pick could end up 4th overall and the guy you pick be the next Johnny Flynn or OJ Mayo. While Middleton goes on to be some hybrid of Paul Pierce/Klay Thompson.

The chance for the #1 slot to fall to #4 is extremely low. Has it ever happened?

There's like a 36% chance of it. I wouldn't say that's extremely low.

OK. I thought it was much lower chance. 35.7% according to wikipedia;

[WiscSports1]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm not even close to saying yes here. Middleton is the exact guy we want to have next to Giannis and it's not like he's old.

[skones]

Pre-Jabari #2 ACL Tear, I would have said no and moved forward with what we have. Post-Jabari ACL tear, and the uncertainty that comes along with it, we need to increase the talent level on this team, so I voted yes.

With that being said, Boston would sure as hell be aiming higher than Middleton with that pick given that he's still returning from injury.

[jimmybones]

I think Khris is pretty severely underrated, even by Bucks fans on this board

Underrated away from this board. Massively underrated by casual fans that rely on highlights. But, he's not underrated on this board. I don't know how many times I see him referred to as an All Star SG or whatever hyperbole. I love Middleton, but I must have missed the All Star Games he's played in.

[jimmybones]

Nah I'm saying a college coach would most likely miss-use him. But he's a borderline lottery talent imo.

aw gotcha now, sorry
Yeah this is a possibility...

Yeah I dunno. I actually reckon with his ball handling and shooting he could have looked really good.

Another non-huge NCAA follower, but are there that many massive guys that would throw him around?

I'm with you. I think he'd feast on 3s in college, look like a 7 foot gazelle running the court and protect the ish out of the rim. No doubt in my mind he'd be a top 5 prospect right now if he was playing at Kansas.

[askdavescat]

I voted Yes.

I believe the lack of a top-shelf PG is holding the Bucks back more than most want to acknowledge.

While the PG Giannis experiment has been semi-successful, I don't think it's sustainable, and I don't see it as part of a championship path. As for Brogdon, I think he's a very good backup and spot starter, but I just don't believe he's the PG of a championship caliber team either.

Washington's not trading John Wall for Henson and a 2nd; the Bucks aren't getting Steph for Monroe and our 2018 1st. (green font)

So for me, the question is, if you're unwilling to move Middleton for a shot at one of those top four PG's who will come out this year, how is Milwaukee going to get that top-tier PG? If they grew on trees, you'd think the Bucks would have already had a few since TJ Ford's back went to hell.

[raferfenix]

I wish we knew more about Middleton's health. Jabari going down again gives us way less margin for error there.

Doing a tank trade for the Nets pick would vastly improve our pick too.

Giannis might be pissed but this season was going down the tubes even before Parker went down.

If we were to clean house with a new coach and a new GM in combination I would be more inclined to go this route.

The jobs would be enticing with two top 10 picks to play with as well.

[humanrefutation]

Let's say Mids remains healthy and similarly productive for the rest of his contract. And lets say Jabari comes back - and while he's a different kind of player - he still can get you 15-20 ppg with efficient shooting and hops.

Is that enough, with a decent supporting cast, to win a title in 2 years?