Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[NatP4]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2015/10/26/9603978/tomas-satoransky-fran-fraschilla-washington-wizards-second-round-pick-analysis

yes, i just linked bulletsforever. sorry

notice how franschilla says clearly "he can play off ball in some spots, but he's a playmaking point guard primarily, NOT A COMBO GUARD"

Because Fran Fraschilla never overhypes Euro players. Ever.

let me ask you a question 80s, did you ever watch him play other than highlight reels before he came over?? honest question. and if not, then how are you supposed to know what his actual game is? how do you even know he's being misused?

[80sballboy]

Burke is a horrifically bad player. He's definitely not a PG and shows cracks in his handle and decision making when he's pressed. However he can make a shot. The offensive flow basically stops when Sato is forced to run the offense. It may also stop when Burke is PG but at least you can run some semblance of an effective P&R with Burke. At least Burke can make a shot or create a play here and there.

Yes. Burke is essentially the only shooter on the roster outside of Beal and Porter. He's doing the job of a SG on the second unit. He does it poorly, but there isn't anybody else.

One game does not make a career. Sato has been given opportunities to handle the ball in many situations and he plays each possession as if he's afraid to make a mistake. That's not what a playoff team needs right now, a tenative rookie point guard. Maybe he'll be more aggressive next season and will have a more defined role, hopefully when he adds 10-15lbs. What he did in Europe is about as important as Burke being college player of the year at Michigan.

Agreed. We need to stop fooling ourselves into thinking that Sato's only problem is that he hasn't been given a chance. Sato has had chances. He has so far proven to be way too tentative on offense, and has shown no ability to make plays or create enough separation to bend a defense. The only thing that he has done well (and it's no small thing) is play defense.

I just completely disagree nate, he's had an adjustment period, but Sato has so much ore game that we haven't seen yet, his one concern coming over was his defense and he's been great in that regard. The dude is a POINT GUARD, meaning, give him the ball and set him a screen and space the floor and he will find the open guy every time. We throw him in the corner and let burke run EVERYTHING, imagine if we did that to John alongside burke, it would be horrible. everyone on that 2nd unit has sucked offensively except morris, who can create his own shot, because burke sucks at running the show, plain and simple, Satoransky needs more opportunity. just wait

theres a reason fran fraschilla said he was a top 15 pick type of talent. Burke is the problem, not Satoransky

also: I'm telling you guys, Sato is in the form of an Otto Porter type, he's unselfish, worried about stepping on toes type of thing, he's not overly aggressive ever, people said the same things about otto, he plays scared and he won't shoot. These are the type of dudes that win championships though, unselfish, move the ball, work for the best shot. I can't wait until we actually unleash Sato

And that's fine because you act like his agent. Most sane people are saying he'll be fine down the line, just like Otto. It took him time as well to adjust to the NBA with his thin frame. And for the most part, Otto just stands there and let's John create for him because his jumper is Ottomatic. We need help NOW now, not in 1-2 years.

[80sballboy]

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2015/10/26/9603978/tomas-satoransky-fran-fraschilla-washington-wizards-second-round-pick-analysis

yes, i just linked bulletsforever. sorry

notice how franschilla says clearly "he can play off ball in some spots, but he's a playmaking point guard primarily, NOT A COMBO GUARD"

Because Fran Fraschilla never overhypes Euro players. Ever.

let me ask you a question 80s, did you ever watch him play other than highlight reels before he came over?? honest question. and if not, then how are you supposed to know what his actual game is? how do you even know he's being misused?

It doesn't matter how much crap I watched of him overseas (I watched a lot). This is the NBA. He hasn't impressed in SL, exhibition games or regular season games. You point out a few nice plays and games here and there. WTF does that have to do with the entire package? That he has potential? Sure. He's a rookie. We need help now. Should he play more point guard? Sure. Would that make a huge difference in the bench? Not from what I've seen in the NBA. I really don't care what he did overseas because those dudes guarding him are not NBA-caliber.

BTW, this coming from the biggest critic of John Wall on this board during the game threads. You probably hope that he replaces Wall, who can't do anything right according to you.

[J-Ves]

PJ Tucker is an interesting name, he's been one of the better defensive wings in the NBA for a while now. If we could unload Nicholson + 2 2nds for Tucker that would be a huge get. I may even be persuaded to give up a heavily protected 2018 first just to be rid of Nicholson.

[NatP4]

I'm just saying, he's not the problem. you're saying, we need help right now, yes, with scoring and playmaking, one of which can be solved by using Sato correctly, the other, replacing Burke with a good player, specifically a scorer.

if we put john on the 2nd unit and sat him in the corner and said "ok wait for burke to find you for a good look" the 2nd unit would be equally awful.

[Mojo Amok]

Follow up on that bit from the T&T board:

Shelburne states that the Lakers have multiple teams with a 1st on the table for Lou Williams

Where?

Was on local radio, ESPN710. Teams mentioned were the Jazz, Pacers, and Wizards

Apparently our pick has already been offered, but I suspect the Pacers can put together the more attractive package being that their pick is looking mid-round.

[80sballboy]

I'm just saying, he's not the problem. you're saying, we need help right now, yes, with scoring and playmaking, one of which can be solved by using Sato correctly, the other, replacing Burke with a good player, specifically a scorer.

if we put john on the 2nd unit and sat him in the corner and said "ok wait for burke to find you for a good look" the 2nd unit would be equally awful.

That's hilarious. The second-unit would be just as bad with John playing the point. Funny. I'm sure John wouldn't start the break by himself, wouldn't penetrate the defense and open it up for Burke, Smith and Oubre. Nah, same result. You're right.

[NatP4]

Because Fran Fraschilla never overhypes Euro players. Ever.

let me ask you a question 80s, did you ever watch him play other than highlight reels before he came over?? honest question. and if not, then how are you supposed to know what his actual game is? how do you even know he's being misused?

It doesn't matter how much crap I watched of him overseas (I watched a lot). This is the NBA. He hasn't impressed in SL, exhibition games or regular season games. You point out a few nice plays and games here and there. WTF does that have to do with the entire package? That he has potential? Sure. He's a rookie. We need help now. Should he play more point guard? Sure. Would that make a huge difference in the bench? Not from what I've seen in the NBA. I really don't care what he did overseas because those dudes guarding him are not NBA-caliber.

BTW, this coming from the biggest critic of John Wall on this board during the game threads. You probably hope that he replaces Wall, who can't do anything right according to you.

remember, people were telling me that subtracting thornton wouldn't make a huge difference LOL, we've lost like 2 total game since then. Burke is just thornton the less selfish version, still taking the ball away from people that should have it. I GUARANTEE, that if we replaced Burke with Will Barton, your bench would be a strength. guarantee.

[NatP4]

I'm just saying, he's not the problem. you're saying, we need help right now, yes, with scoring and playmaking, one of which can be solved by using Sato correctly, the other, replacing Burke with a good player, specifically a scorer.

if we put john on the 2nd unit and sat him in the corner and said "ok wait for burke to find you for a good look" the 2nd unit would be equally awful.

That's hilarious. The second-unit would be just as bad with John playing the point. Funny.

how do you not understand this? LOL

i clearly said, with wall playing off ball to burke. anyone with a brain that isn't a sensitive wall fanboy can admit that he isn't an offball player, brooks even said it. It was a simple example and it completely flew over your head.

[J-Ves]

Follow up on that bit from the T&T board:

Where?

Was on local radio, ESPN710. Teams mentioned were the Jazz, Pacers, and Wizards

Apparently our pick has already been offered, but I suspect the Pacers can put together the more attractive package being that their pick is looking mid-round.

My guess is every offer made by the Wizards involving their pick has Nicholson attached and that's scaring most teams away.

[80sballboy]

let me ask you a question 80s, did you ever watch him play other than highlight reels before he came over?? honest question. and if not, then how are you supposed to know what his actual game is? how do you even know he's being misused?

It doesn't matter how much crap I watched of him overseas (I watched a lot). This is the NBA. He hasn't impressed in SL, exhibition games or regular season games. You point out a few nice plays and games here and there. WTF does that have to do with the entire package? That he has potential? Sure. He's a rookie. We need help now. Should he play more point guard? Sure. Would that make a huge difference in the bench? Not from what I've seen in the NBA. I really don't care what he did overseas because those dudes guarding him are not NBA-caliber.

BTW, this coming from the biggest critic of John Wall on this board during the game threads. You probably hope that he replaces Wall, who can't do anything right according to you.

remember, people were telling me that subtracting thornton wouldn't make a huge difference LOL, we've lost like 2 total game since then. Burke is just thornton the less selfish version, still taking the ball away from people that should have it. I GUARANTEE, that if we replaced Burke with Will Barton, your bench would be a strength. guarantee.

You're talking to the same person that created the Marcus Thornton Amazingly Sucks Thread. I hated the pickup, but I was told because he was a good value he was a solid pickup. Sure. That worked out fine. I also bitched the entire offseason that we needed to fine a backup veteran 2. Not some washed up overweight gunner.

[80sballboy]

I'm just saying, he's not the problem. you're saying, we need help right now, yes, with scoring and playmaking, one of which can be solved by using Sato correctly, the other, replacing Burke with a good player, specifically a scorer.

if we put john on the 2nd unit and sat him in the corner and said "ok wait for burke to find you for a good look" the 2nd unit would be equally awful.

That's hilarious. The second-unit would be just as bad with John playing the point. Funny.

how do you not understand this? LOL

i clearly said, with wall playing off ball to burke. anyone with a brain that isn't a sensitive wall fanboy can admit that he isn't an offball player, brooks even said it. It was a simple example and it completely flew over your head.

This coming from the biggest Sato fanboy on the board? I bashed John a ton before this season. I was not his biggest fan and I still get upset at times at his last second shots at the end of quarters and occasional gunning, but I don't need to write about it every time. You and others beat me to it.


Yes, I misread the post. My fault. John is not great off the ball. Burke is serviceable.

[NatP4]

That's hilarious. The second-unit would be just as bad with John playing the point. Funny.

how do you not understand this? LOL

i clearly said, with wall playing off ball to burke. anyone with a brain that isn't a sensitive wall fanboy can admit that he isn't an offball player, brooks even said it. It was a simple example and it completely flew over your head.

This coming from the biggest Sato fanboy on the board? I bashed John a ton before this season. I was not his biggest fan and I still get upset at times at his last second shots at the end of quarters and occasional gunning, but I don't need to write about it every time. You and others beat me to it.

do you understand my example though? I'm not even trying to bash John, I'm just talking about certain players play styles and how to use them.

[80sballboy]

how do you not understand this? LOL

i clearly said, with wall playing off ball to burke. anyone with a brain that isn't a sensitive wall fanboy can admit that he isn't an offball player, brooks even said it. It was a simple example and it completely flew over your head.

This coming from the biggest Sato fanboy on the board? I bashed John a ton before this season. I was not his biggest fan and I still get upset at times at his last second shots at the end of quarters and occasional gunning, but I don't need to write about it every time. You and others beat me to it.

do you understand my example though? I'm not even trying to bash John, I'm just talking about certain players play styles and how to use them.

I do understand it but what we need is consistency and you're not going to that out of a rookie from Europe. You're not getting it from Oubre either.

[J-Ves]

Drummond to Boston is a scary thought. They need rim protection and rebounding, two things Drummond excels at.

[pcbothwel]

Drummond to Boston is a scary thought. They need rim protection and rebounding, two things Drummond excels at.

Doesnt scare me. Drummond is one of the most overrated players in the league. If Boston gives up Johnson, Crowder, etc... I think they are much if any better this year, and they lose their chance at Hayward this offseason. As a team we look to compete with over the next 4-5 year, I would like this move from our perspective.

[mhd]

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Ugh, you know EG is going to get his man.

[Meliorus]

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Dumb*** owners need to realize that box-score stats aren't everything. This should be the final nail in the coffin, abandon ship immediately!

[NatP4]

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gross

[mhd]

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gross

Tucker is a legit good defender. He's defended LeBron really well in the past. WOuldn't trade a 1st for a rental, but with EG who knows?