Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[Jimmy Recard]

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Just walk away Ernie

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Reading this thread I actually agree that they have to get rid of Mahinmi more than anything.

Mahinmi + 2017 1st for Tyson Chandler (shorter contract, less money and better at basketball)

Nicholson + 2 or 3 second rounders for Bogdanovic

Gortat Chandler
Morris Porter/Smith
Porter Oubre
Beal Bogdanovic
Wall Burke/Sato

I think it's very good, Not a single bad contract left.

When Wall becomes a FA (same time as Paul George) only Beal and Otto would be on the books...

We still have no distributor with the second unit. This is the problem, not Mahinmi.

Basically, you want a point guard or combo guard to replace Burke or Sato, because neither is a distributor?

Ideally we dump Nicholson for a combo guard and keep both. But I strongly prefer Burke leaving over Sato due to his defense. Burke is a decent 3rd SG though.

[Mojo Amok]

On to the next thing to worry about....

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[NatP4]

LOU will to the rockets, bet we make our move tonight, gotta move fast.

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Half of those players are also complete garbage but whatever

DAM YOU ERNIE HOW YOU COULD MISS ON JAMES ENNIS

it's easy for him, nat -- he missed on Kawhi Leonard, Kenneth Faried, Tobias Harris, Reggie Jackson, Cory Joseph, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, John Leuer, Davis Bertans, Lavoy Allen, Isaiah Thomas, E'Twaun Moore, Draymond Green, Jae Crowder, Will Barton, Khris Middleton, & Kyle O'Quinn. How hard could it have been to miss on James Ennis?

Of course, that's not all at the same time. It required 2 drafts for him to pass over all those guys to take 4 non-entities & mr. maybe 4 years later (Tomas). Gosh, Nat, you don't think we'd have been better off to take Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, Draymond Green & Kyle O'Quinn than Vesely, Singleton, Mack, Tomas, & zip for the last thrown away trade? Do you?

Btw, you might want to look at James Ennis's numbers -- he's playing over 25 minutes a game for Memphis & having a tremendous season. He's one of the best young SFs in the league. Comparable to Glenn Robinson, to take an example. But, not to worry... we didn't pass on Glenn Robinson so it doesn't matter. And, anyway, why should you bother actually looking at what James Ennis does on the court, right?

[NatP4]

very strange that houston thinks they need Lou Will along with Eric Gordon and James Harden, especially with GSW and the Spurs in the west. glad we didn't do that

[Jimmy Recard]

Question, if we were still struggling like we were early in the season, would Boogie Cousins be a Wizard right now?

[MikeTheKid]

very strange that houston thinks they need Lou Will along with Eric Gordon and James Harden, especially with GSW and the Spurs in the west. glad we didn't do that

Dont forget Beverly as well, Looks like we may go hard for Bojan tonight

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Burke is a horrifically bad player. He's definitely not a PG and shows cracks in his handle and decision making when he's pressed. However he can make a shot. The offensive flow basically stops when Sato is forced to run the offense. It may also stop when Burke is PG but at least you can run some semblance of an effective P&R with Burke. At least Burke can make a shot or create a play here and there.

Yes. Burke is essentially the only shooter on the roster outside of Beal and Porter. He's doing the job of a SG on the second unit. He does it poorly, but there isn't anybody else.

One game does not make a career. Sato has been given opportunities to handle the ball in many situations and he plays each possession as if he's afraid to make a mistake. That's not what a playoff team needs right now, a tenative rookie point guard. Maybe he'll be more aggressive next season and will have a more defined role, hopefully when he adds 10-15lbs. What he did in Europe is about as important as Burke being college player of the year at Michigan.

Agreed. We need to stop fooling ourselves into thinking that Sato's only problem is that he hasn't been given a chance. Sato has had chances. He has so far proven to be way too tentative on offense, and has shown no ability to make plays or create enough separation to bend a defense. The only thing that he has done well (and it's no small thing) is play defense.

I just completely disagree nate, he's had an adjustment period, but Sato has so much ore game that we haven't seen yet, his one concern coming over was his defense and he's been great in that regard. The dude is a POINT GUARD, meaning, give him the ball and set him a screen and space the floor and he will find the open guy every time. We throw him in the corner and let burke run EVERYTHING, imagine if we did that to John alongside burke, it would be horrible. everyone on that 2nd unit has sucked offensively except morris, who can create his own shot, because burke sucks at running the show, plain and simple, Satoransky needs more opportunity. just wait

theres a reason fran fraschilla said he was a top 15 pick type of talent. Burke is the problem, not Satoransky

also: I'm telling you guys, Sato is in the form of an Otto Porter type, he's unselfish, worried about stepping on toes type of thing, he's not overly aggressive ever, people said the same things about otto, he plays scared and he won't shoot. These are the type of dudes that win championships though, unselfish, move the ball, work for the best shot. I can't wait until we actually unleash Sato

I'm totally willing to wait on Sato. Lets give him time to develop. His effort is high as is his IQ and athletics.

[Jimmy Recard]

very strange that houston thinks they need Lou Will along with Eric Gordon and James Harden, especially with GSW and the Spurs in the west. glad we didn't do that

Yeah not sure this makes them that much better. They're offense was fine as it was. Still, Harden-Beverley-Lou-Gordon is arguably the best backcourt rotation in the league

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Doesn't Ernie prove people wrong regularly at the trade deadline? Sessions, Morris, Miller were all good pickups that people complained about. It's crazy to think about the amount of hate he got for the Morris trade and now we have an all star caliber PF in exchange for a late lottery pick.

He's been an all star caliber player since the beginning of January. Before that he was at best a rotation quality big who was forced into the starting role due to a lack of talent at that position. Calling him an all star caliber PF is a little disingenuous.

To be clear, I'm fine if EG picks up a schlub that Brooks then turns into an all-star caliber player.

How long does he have to play at that "all star" level? Randy Foye once scored 29 points in a single quarter. That's all star level. Would 1 quarter be enough?

Hey... I'd be extremely happy if Markieff Morris turned into a consistent outstanding player long term. Who wouldn't?

& I know that Nat would be really happy if his Mazda turned into a Mercedes. Can Brooks do that too?

[NatP4]

now ernie is going to surprise everyone and make a fantastic low-key move. but i think he might wait until thursday actually

[NatP4]

He's been an all star caliber player since the beginning of January. Before that he was at best a rotation quality big who was forced into the starting role due to a lack of talent at that position. Calling him an all star caliber PF is a little disingenuous.

To be clear, I'm fine if EG picks up a schlub that Brooks then turns into an all-star caliber player.

How long does he have to play at that "all star" level? Randy Foye once scored 29 points in a single quarter. That's all star level. Would 1 quarter be enough?

Hey... I'd be extremely happy if Markieff Morris turned into a consistent outstanding player long term. Who wouldn't?

& I know that Nat would be really happy if his Mazda turned into a Mercedes. Can Brooks do that too?

i drive a ford focus fyi

[Meliorus]

Thank god that wasn't us.

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Because Fran Fraschilla never overhypes Euro players. Ever.

let me ask you a question 80s, did you ever watch him play other than highlight reels before he came over?? honest question. and if not, then how are you supposed to know what his actual game is? how do you even know he's being misused?

It doesn't matter how much crap I watched of him overseas (I watched a lot). This is the NBA. He hasn't impressed in SL, exhibition games or regular season games. You point out a few nice plays and games here and there. WTF does that have to do with the entire package? That he has potential? Sure. He's a rookie. We need help now. Should he play more point guard? Sure. Would that make a huge difference in the bench? Not from what I've seen in the NBA. I really don't care what he did overseas because those dudes guarding him are not NBA-caliber.

BTW, this coming from the biggest critic of John Wall on this board during the game threads. You probably hope that he replaces Wall, who can't do anything right according to you.

We also need help next year, and the year after that. This may shock you, but I'm not seeing an NBA championship this year. I really don't, even if we replace Sato.

I do think our window may be the next few years. There's no reason to dump assets like Sato for short term gain.

[NatP4]

that is a terrible move by Houston, what does he give you that Eric Gordon and James Harden don't? who goes all win now with a 30year old one dimensional repetitive bench player in a conference with GS and SAS.

good stuff EG.

[Mojo Amok]

Looking at what Houston sent LA, the Wizards must have been offering the first with Nicholson or maybe Smith because our first with something like Burke and Sato would have easily beaten the Rocket's offer.

[mhd]

My guess is that we tried to get the Lakers to bite on Nicholson and they said no dice. Although our 1st will be marginally better, no one wants his crappy contract.

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He's been an all star caliber player since the beginning of January. Before that he was at best a rotation quality big who was forced into the starting role due to a lack of talent at that position. Calling him an all star caliber PF is a little disingenuous.

To be clear, I'm fine if EG picks up a schlub that Brooks then turns into an all-star caliber player.

See, I really don't get comments like these, everyone knew Markieff had that talent, Brooks didn't magically increase his ceiling, he just called him out for not playing hard, don't discredit EG. Beal is now healthy, Wall had knee surgery to get healthy, Otto played like this last season, Brooks gets way too much credit around here. He makes some common sense adjustments that fans have been screaming for for years, he's not some player development god LOL.

But I really don't wanna start some ridiculous discussion where PIF lists off some 2nd round players that we missed on in 1973, I understand, F ERNIE SCOTT BROOKS IS A GOD, I'll fall back in line now.

Remember: half of you were calling for Lou Williams for a 1st, then Zach Lowe says no and all of the sudden the tune changes lol

Oh no, Nat, you've got it all wrong. Now that Zach Lowe says don't do it, I'm ready to give a R1 pick -- 2 if need be -- for Lou Williams.

More seriously, no one knew that Markieff had any exceptional amount of talent. And, so sorry, still no one knows he does. Isn't that sad? But I sure am glad he's playing well; I really am. Yes, Markieff has been playing well for 7 weeks now, & that's a good thing. It's been a good 7 weeks.

And, if Markieff turns into an all star, no one will be happier about it than I. In the meantime maybe you should stop blowing smoke. You have some good ideas -- keep being imaginative, it's a good thing. Revving your engine over Markieff, not so much. Talking about what a good job Ernie does... come on, young'un -- how long you been watching the Wizards?

[Meliorus]

Looking at what Houston sent LA, the Wizards must have been offering the first with Nicholson or maybe Smith because our first with something like Burke and Sato would have easily beaten the Rocket's offer.

I think Ernie was trying to low-ball with a 2nd rounder or 2018 1st rounder + Nicholson. The price went up and he walked away.