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Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1961 » by payitforward » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:36 am

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Satoransky hasn't proven he's a playmaker. I don't see him making a lot of plays. I see him dribbling a lot and creating very little. This is mainly because he can't shoot and he's not skilled or quick enough off the bounce to compensate and get into the lane.

Burke is a horrifically bad player. He's definitely not a PG and shows cracks in his handle and decision making when he's pressed. However he can make a shot. The offensive flow basically stops when Sato is forced to run the offense. It may also stop when Burke is PG but at least you can run some semblance of an effective P&R with Burke. At least Burke can make a shot or create a play here and there.

I want Burke benched as bad as the next guy but putting the ball in Sato's hands leads to nowhere. Now Sato's defense is worlds better than Burke and probably offsets any advantage Burke gives them offensively IMO but to call Satoransky a playmaker is incorrect. I also don't think the coaching staff has confidence in Sato to run the offense and rightfully so.

It's frustrating to see Sato and Burke out there together. Don't know what they've been told, but Burke always seems to believe he's the PG. That makes Sato pretty useless (and everyone else there too). It's hard to look good in that situation.
I agree that Sato hasn't shown enough to be anointed the backup PG, but he hasn't been given enough opportunity. I'd like to see him out there without Burke and told, the backup PG job is yours if you go out and earn it.

THIS, thank you for wording it how i couldn't, we don't "see" enough of Sato for reasons that aren't always his fault.

I agree 100% (see, Nat?). In fact, Satoransky is playing better than he's being given credit for. He doesn't shoot & he doesn't get to the line much either. & he has no 3-pt. shot at this point it seems. But he is a pretty good rebounder, gets assists, is pretty good on steal-turnover ratio. Overall, he isn't killing us w/ his play; he isn't really hurting us much for that matter.

Sato's big problem is he was a poor draft pick compared to who was available, and he's already 25 -- I'm sure he'll get better, but it's hard to think he has all that high a ceiling.

Still, he's not a true negative like Burke or Thornton. The one real deficit is that he can't back up Beal. A 2-guard almost always has to provide some scoring. & all the more in our case, since our backups at all positions aren't really scorers.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1962 » by NatP4 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:36 am

hell, if you could shed some cap space, Shabazz is developing nicely into a 6th man type, if you had room to resign him and could dump bad contracts, its not a bad idea to include a 1st. he has such a weird game though. plays like a power forward.

assume burke and a 2nd would be the deal, and it would just be a rental, which is a weird rental player, rookie contract young player, but who knows
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1963 » by mhd » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:37 am

nate33 wrote:
Mojo Amok wrote:On to the next thing to worry about....

Read on Twitter

:o

That's a lot for Lou Williams



Brewer has stunk this year. Dekker has supplanted him. Rockets need another guy who can get his own shot (only Harden & Gordon can do that). Its a win-now move, but its defensible. Plus, Houston will have a ton of cap space this off-season.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1964 » by pcbothwel » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:39 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I'm guessing Shabazz is a Wizard by midnight and the Wolves have another 2017 first rounder in their pocket.

Seems like the prototypical E.G. move. Sure hope I'm wrong.


Make it Shabazz and Tyus jones for Nicholson and our 1st... Then im in
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1965 » by nate33 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:40 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I'm guessing Shabazz is a Wizard by midnight and the Wolves have another 2017 first rounder in their pocket.

Seems like the prototypical E.G. move. Sure hope I'm wrong.

It makes zero sense to trade a 1st for Shabazz because he is about to be a free agent and we have absolutely no ability to resign him. Even EG isn't stupid enough to just give 1st round picks away.

Now if it's a 1st round pick plus Nicholson for Shabazz, at least then it's a salary dump, but I still don't like it.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1966 » by NatP4 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:42 am

nate33 wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I'm guessing Shabazz is a Wizard by midnight and the Wolves have another 2017 first rounder in their pocket.

Seems like the prototypical E.G. move. Sure hope I'm wrong.

It makes zero sense to trade a 1st for Shabazz because he is about to be a free agent and we have absolutely no ability to resign him. Even EG isn't stupid enough to just give 1st round picks away.

Now if it's a 1st round pick plus Nicholson for Shabazz, at least then it's a salary dump, but I still don't like it.


but then you're gambling, what if Shabazz works out and we can't afford to resign him? too risky IMO, and I really like Shabazz
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1967 » by eureca20 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:44 am

nate33 wrote:
Mojo Amok wrote:On to the next thing to worry about....

Read on Twitter

:o

That's a lot for Lou Williams


How so? Nobody wants Brewer. Rockets have been trying to get rid of him. They technically slightly cut salary. So they get rid of Brewer's contract and get Lou under a good contract for the potential 27th pick in the draft. If the Lakers weren't trying to tank I wouldn't have done the deal from their end.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1968 » by payitforward » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:45 am

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mhd wrote:My best bet is Tyreke if he's bought out.

This is the ideal scenario IMO. He solves a lot of issues. He could play hybrid PG alongside either Sato or Burke (depending on whether we need shooting or defense). He'd also be extra depth at forward if either Oubre or Porter got hurt. He's another 6-7 guy with strength, who should be able to execute our switching scheme on defense. If he costs us nothing at all, what's not to like?

I might be open minded to trading Nicholson + Burke + 2018 first for Darren Collison just to get out of Nicholson's deal. That would shore up our bench nicely while addressing luxtax concerns:

PG Wall/Collison
SG Beal/Evans
SF Porter/Oubre
PF Morris/Oubre
C Gortat/Mahinmi

With Sato and Smith at the end of the bench able to give us some serviceable minutes.

Hmm, would Sac trade the Philly 2nd rounder (the one they just got)+Collison for Nicholson+our 2017 1st?

we'd drop about 10-15 slots in the draft, but we'd avoid the lux tax. ...

I doubt it, but I sure wish they would!

But I prefer (by a lot) nate's idea: Evans does exactly that -- "solves a lot of problems." Gotta worry, tho, that Ernie won't wait for him to be bought out, but will trade a R1 pick for him instead.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1969 » by Wizardspride » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:48 am

nate33 wrote:
Mojo Amok wrote:On to the next thing to worry about....

Read on Twitter

:o

That's a lot for Lou Williams

Yep...and you KNOW they asked for Oubre.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1970 » by Mojo Amok » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:48 am

Do we have reason to believe that Evans is still getting bought out, though? I thought that whole idea was based on Sacramento needing a roster slot to complete the trade, which they did by getting rid of Barnes.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1971 » by payitforward » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:51 am

NatP4 wrote:now ernie is going to surprise everyone and make a fantastic low-key move. but i think he might wait until thursday actually

Does 'fantastic low-key' rhyme w/ Bojan Bogdanovic? Because I'm really fearful that he'll trade our '17 R1 pick for that nobody.

OTOH, he and Ted may have agreed that they kind of need our R1 pick, so that we have somebody on a rookie contract to help w/ lux tax issues. I am so hoping that this is the case.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1972 » by mhd » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:51 am

Mojo Amok wrote:Do we have reason to believe that Evans is still getting bought out, though? I thought that whole idea was based on Sacramento needing a roster slot to complete the trade, which they did by getting rid of Barnes.



Well, Sac is "tanking" to ensure they keep their pick (need to finish at least 10th, otherwise it goes to the Bulls). Right now, they are 11th (1/2 game behind Portland), so I think they make it. Evans doesn't make sense for them, so they might as well buy him out and play young guys.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1973 » by NatP4 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:52 am

payitforward wrote:
NatP4 wrote:now ernie is going to surprise everyone and make a fantastic low-key move. but i think he might wait until thursday actually

Does 'fantastic low-key' rhyme w/ Bojan Bogdanovic? Because I'm really fearful that he'll trade our '17 R1 pick for that nobody.

OTOH, he and Ted may have agreed that they kind of need our R1 pick, so that we have somebody on a rookie contract to help w/ lux tax issues. I am so hoping that this is the case.


please no Bojan, and hopefully no move involving the 2017 1st, HAVE FAITH PIF
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1974 » by Jimmy Recard » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:53 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I'm guessing Shabazz is a Wizard by midnight and the Wolves have another 2017 first rounder in their pocket.

Seems like the prototypical E.G. move. Sure hope I'm wrong.

Twolves are laughing if they get a first for Shabazz..
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1975 » by ozthegap » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:54 am

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long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I'm guessing Shabazz is a Wizard by midnight and the Wolves have another 2017 first rounder in their pocket.

Seems like the prototypical E.G. move. Sure hope I'm wrong.

Twolves are laughing if they get a first for Shabazz..


So if we du get Shabaz who plays 2 and who plays 3?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1976 » by payitforward » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:55 am

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sfam wrote:To be clear, I'm fine if EG picks up a schlub that Brooks then turns into an all-star caliber player.

How long does he have to play at that "all star" level? Randy Foye once scored 29 points in a single quarter. That's all star level. Would 1 quarter be enough? :)

Hey... I'd be extremely happy if Markieff Morris turned into a consistent outstanding player long term. Who wouldn't?

& I know that Nat would be really happy if his Mazda turned into a Mercedes. Can Brooks do that too? :wink:

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You can always beat me up about my 39-win prediction!! :) I can handle it. In fact, it's probably good for me! 8-)
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1977 » by NatP4 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:56 am

ozthegap wrote:
Jimmy Recard wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I'm guessing Shabazz is a Wizard by midnight and the Wolves have another 2017 first rounder in their pocket.

Seems like the prototypical E.G. move. Sure hope I'm wrong.

Twolves are laughing if they get a first for Shabazz..


So if we du get Shabaz who plays 2 and who plays 3?


Shabbazz plays the 2 oubre plays the 3, and we have literally zero ball movement for the rest of eternity
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1978 » by Avihs7 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:58 am

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long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I'm guessing Shabazz is a Wizard by midnight and the Wolves have another 2017 first rounder in their pocket.

Seems like the prototypical E.G. move. Sure hope I'm wrong.

It makes zero sense to trade a 1st for Shabazz because he is about to be a free agent and we have absolutely no ability to resign him. Even EG isn't stupid enough to just give 1st round picks away.

Now if it's a 1st round pick plus Nicholson for Shabazz, at least then it's a salary dump, but I still don't like it.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1979 » by keynote » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:00 am

Shabbazz has that throw back Bonzi Wells/Quentin Richardson game. Bonzi and Quentin, of course, were themselves throwbacks by being poorer versions of Adrian Dantley.

Are there any other low-block post-up 3s in today's NBA?

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#1980 » by Meliorus » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:01 am

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