Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

nuposse04 · Post #1981 » by **nuposse04** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:02 am

NatP4 wrote:
ozthegap wrote:
Jimmy Recard wrote:Twolves are laughing if they get a first for Shabazz..

So if we du get Shabaz who plays 2 and who plays 3?

Shabbazz plays the 2 oubre plays the 3, and we have literally zero ball movement for the rest of eternity

Twolves have been using Shabazz as a small ball 4 lately. Makes sense, long for a sf and strong.

J-Ves · Post #1982 » by **J-Ves** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:02 am

Please don't trade this years pick. 2018 protected first + Nicholson can buy us something of value, just have to find the right team.

pcbothwel · Post #1983 » by **pcbothwel** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:02 am

Avihs7 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I'm guessing Shabazz is a Wizard by midnight and the Wolves have another 2017 first rounder in their pocket.

Seems like the prototypical E.G. move. Sure hope I'm wrong.

It makes zero sense to trade a 1st for Shabazz because he is about to be a free agent and we have absolutely no ability to resign him. Even EG isn't stupid enough to just give 1st round picks away.

Now if it's a 1st round pick plus Nicholson for Shabazz, at least then it's a salary dump, but I still don't like it.

Restricted free agent

We know. He means when Otto Resigns we go right up to, if not slightly over the Lux tax line. No way in hell I resign Shabazz for 10M+ per year and also pay the tax

NatP4 · Post #1984 » by **NatP4** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:05 am

nuposse04 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
ozthegap wrote:
So if we du get Shabaz who plays 2 and who plays 3?

Shabbazz plays the 2 oubre plays the 3, and we have literally zero ball movement for the rest of eternity

Twolves have been using Shabazz as a small ball 4 lately. Makes sense, long for a sf and strong.

yes, Shabazz as a small ball 4 is really intriguing, he can get buckets in the post.

Avihs7 · Post #1985 » by **Avihs7** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:06 am

pcbothwel wrote:
Avihs7 wrote:
nate33 wrote:It makes zero sense to trade a 1st for Shabazz because he is about to be a free agent and we have absolutely no ability to resign him. Even EG isn't stupid enough to just give 1st round picks away.

Now if it's a 1st round pick plus Nicholson for Shabazz, at least then it's a salary dump, but I still don't like it.

Restricted free agent

We know. He means when Otto Resigns we go right up to, if not slightly over the Lux tax line. No way in hell I resign Shabazz for 10M+ per year and also pay the tax

Im with u on that, I'm willing to bet he's gonna try and get Allen Crabbe type money considering their roles are very similar. I'm hoping Mn moves him before we lose him for nothing.

Wizardspride · Post #1986 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:06 am

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Wizardspride · Post #1987 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:10 am

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Dat2U · Post #1988 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:10 am

nate33 wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I'm guessing Shabazz is a Wizard by midnight and the Wolves have another 2017 first rounder in their pocket.

Seems like the prototypical E.G. move. Sure hope I'm wrong.

It makes zero sense to trade a 1st for Shabazz because he is about to be a free agent and we have absolutely no ability to resign him. Even EG isn't stupid enough to just give 1st round picks away.

Now if it's a 1st round pick plus Nicholson for Shabazz, at least then it's a salary dump, but I still don't like it.

This. I have zero interest in giving away a 1st in any deal for Muhammad. Lou Will was a good player, Shabazz is not.

TGW · Post #1989 » by **TGW** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:10 am

I'm glad Lou Williams is off the market....I was tired of the terrible, one-sided trades being offered by the Lakers fans on the T&T board.

I also don't want to trade the pick, especially for underwhelming players like Shabazz Muhammed.

JWizmentality · Post #1990 » by **JWizmentality** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:11 am

Glad Lou is off the table. Didn't want him here, certainly not for a 1st. Take his two GF arse to Houston. Glad Ernie isn't rushing things.

NatP4 · Post #1991 » by **NatP4** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:12 am

kinda just want collison, glad we're showing interest.

bealwithit · Post #1992 » by **bealwithit** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:12 am

No way Shabazz would be for a first. He's an expiring meh player even in a bench role. Calm down guys!

Collison makes me happy if all we give up is a 2nd and garbage.

payitforward · Post #1993 » by **payitforward** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:15 am

gambitx777 wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Dat2U wrote:It's tempting. Getting out of 67 million of dreck over the next 3 seasons would be quite tempting. Certainly that is worth a 1st pick alone, I think even PIF would go along with that. It's the 2nd one that's kind of hard to wrap my thoughts around. ....

Dat2U wrote:...Magic ...absolutely loves Ingram and ...likes Russell & Randle.... I don't think he's high on or thinks much of Clarkson, Nance & Zubac. ...I'd try to pick off Nance & Zubac if possible.

Yes & Yes -- & Yes again if it'd help.

PIf since Lou got sold to the highest bidder do you call the lakers tomorrow after noon and say hey, we know we were not willing to go big on lou. but how about we do this. Clarkson/Zubac/nance, for nicholson/smith/and burke and 2017 first and second.

Clarkson is signed for big $ through June '20. He's way overpaid -- but even if he weren't, we just can't add that kind of $$ to our salary load.

The rest of the trade is awfully tempting -- Zubac is younger than lots of guys in the upcoming draft, and he's signed for a few years at only $1m+. You could argue that it's like picking Swanigan, i.e. the equivalent of a R1 pick. Zubac is exactly 1 month older than Swanigan. In that case, leaving out Clarkson, it's Nicholson, Smith, Burke & a 2017 R2 for Nance. Losing the bad contracts alone makes that deal worth it.

But it's too big a trade for Ernie to make right now -- how quickly does Nance or Zubac pick up Smith's role? Who takes Burke's (admittedly ineffective) minutes?

Again, though, w/o Clarkson I'd jump on it -- & all the more if we kept that R2 pick (with a plan to use it!).

I'll be interested in what Dat & nate think of it (& others of course...).

AWIZZINGBULLET · Post #1994 » by **AWIZZINGBULLET** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:16 am

Wizardspride wrote:

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Great! Grunfeld got wind if my trade proposal. Now all he needs to do is bring in T.J. Warren along with Collison to complete it.

dckingsfan · Post #1995 » by **dckingsfan** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:16 am

I like the idea of Collison for a 2nd. Also glad we didn't get Lou but strangely think he will help the run&gun Rockets.

J-Ves · Post #1996 » by **J-Ves** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:17 am

bealwithit wrote:No way Shabazz would be for a first. He's an expiring meh player even in a bench role. Calm down guys!

Collison makes me happy if all we give up is a 2nd and garbage.

The problem is the Wiz are probably attaching Nicholson to any deal making an outgoing first a likelihood.

You can make this assumption based on the Lou Will to Houston deal.

80sballboy · Post #1997 » by **80sballboy** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:18 am

If we can get Collison and Muhammad (41% 3pt) by giving up something other than a protected 2018 first, I'd be shocked.

keynote · Post #1998 » by **keynote** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:18 am

I'm fine with Collison on the cheap. But man, if this ain't Grunfeld going Grunfeld: snapping up an undesirable backup PG in the offseason, so that he has to throw good resources after bad to pick up an upgrade at the trade deadline.

NatP4 · Post #1999 » by **NatP4** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:20 am

80sballboy wrote:If we can get Collison and Muhammad (41% 3pt) by giving up something other than a protected 2018 first, I'd be shocked.

both are probably only worth a 2nd rounder. I'm fine with one, but both would be impressive

payitforward · Post #2000 » by **payitforward** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:21 am

nate33 wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I'm guessing Shabazz is a Wizard by midnight and the Wolves have another 2017 first rounder in their pocket.

Seems like the prototypical E.G. move. Sure hope I'm wrong.

It makes zero sense to trade a 1st for Shabazz because he is about to be a free agent and we have absolutely no ability to resign him. Even EG isn't stupid enough to just give 1st round picks away.

Now if it's a 1st round pick plus Nicholson for Shabazz, at least then it's a salary dump, but I still don't like it.

Wouldn't we be able to give Shabazz his qualifying offer? What am I missing?

Not that I am recommending we acquire him -- & certainly not for a R1 pick.

edit: cleared up....