The Trade Thread II

[VFX]

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Woj confirmed Kings liked Vucevic/Fournier for Cousins but Magic weren't ready to make deal.

Ok give me a Fire Hennigan sig!!!

Edit: How does it look?

DIdnt they also say they weren't taking calls from teams when the Buddy deal came through though?

[Magic#1]

Woj:

Lot of pressure on Rob. Early on felt like they were on the path. Good players, not great. Gave up on Tobias too soon. Significant pressure on Hennigan. Serge was a mistake. Had to cut losses. Plan was to play differently than the league, it didn't work. Guard wise they've been active. They've had convos about Reggie Jackson. Is Detroit ready to give him up?

Orlando is active. But, you've got a GM who had 1 vision, and Vogel who has a different one. Vogel is on a long contract, Hennigan is not. Where the power lies right now is interesting. I think Vogel might have more voice right now, more than Hennigan. Puts Rob in a tough spot.

Team backed out of Cousins. Sacramento liked the Vuc/Fournier deal, but Orlando wasn't prepared to do it.

I bet this is the "better offer" Vlade Divac mentioned. The agents probably squashed it.

I'm not a huge Cousins fan, but if we really could have had him for Fournier and Vooch, we made a mistake. And I'm a pretty big Vooch supporter.

[Def Swami]

Woj:

Lot of pressure on Rob. Early on felt like they were on the path. Good players, not great. Gave up on Tobias too soon. Significant pressure on Hennigan. Serge was a mistake. Had to cut losses. Plan was to play differently than the league, it didn't work. Guard wise they've been active. They've had convos about Reggie Jackson. Is Detroit ready to give him up?

Orlando is active. But, you've got a GM who had 1 vision, and Vogel who has a different one. Vogel is on a long contract, Hennigan is not. Where the power lies right now is interesting. I think Vogel might have more voice right now, more than Hennigan. Puts Rob in a tough spot.

Team backed out of Cousins. Sacramento liked the Vuc/Fournier deal, but Orlando wasn't prepared to do it.

I bet this is the "better offer" Vlade Divac mentioned. The agents probably squashed it.

I'm not a huge Cousins fan, but if we really could have had him for Fournier and Vooch, we made a mistake. And I'm a pretty big Vooch supporter.

Someone posted on the forum somewhere an article saying Cousins' agents (Fegan and someone else) told the other 29 teams that Cousins had no intention of signing an extension and made it clear it was a possibility he could leave in a year and half. I think given the Magic's history as a franchise and history with Fegan, it would be enough to hold back. If that's the case, it's hard for me to blame them.

[OrlandoDream]

I'm starting to think the Ibaka trade is gonna be the only one.

Disagree. At least one of the 'vets' is being dealt (now whether Elfrid or Mario get thrown in to make it a bigger deal, we'll see). Don't be surprised if we hear nothing until Thursday.

I would really be shocked if we trade Elf or Mario by the deadline. Im expecting a trade at the draft in order to move up or maybe for a star package. Doesn't seem like anybody realistic is available that would make us include Elf or Mario.

My prediction is that I think POR is gonna want to part with Lillard or Mccollum if they miss the PO this year and thats when you throw the sink for Lillard. Give them anything but the 17 pick.

[Magic#1]

I bet this is the "better offer" Vlade Divac mentioned. The agents probably squashed it.

I'm not a huge Cousins fan, but if we really could have had him for Fournier and Vooch, we made a mistake. And I'm a pretty big Vooch supporter.

Someone posted on the forum somewhere an article saying Cousins' agents (Fegan and someone else) told the other 29 teams that Cousins had no intention of signing an extension and made it clear it was a possibility he could leave in a year and half. I think given the Magic's history as a franchise and history with Fegan, it would be enough to hold back. If that's the case, it's hard for me to blame them.

Fair point.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

I bet this is the "better offer" Vlade Divac mentioned. The agents probably squashed it.

I'm not a huge Cousins fan, but if we really could have had him for Fournier and Vooch, we made a mistake. And I'm a pretty big Vooch supporter.

Someone posted on the forum somewhere an article saying Cousins' agents (Fegan and someone else) told the other 29 teams that Cousins had no intention of signing an extension and made it clear it was a possibility he could leave in a year and half. I think given the Magic's history as a franchise and history with Fegan, it would be enough to hold back. If that's the case, it's hard for me to blame them.

I wasn't that mad to hear these reports because I don't want to go through another Dwightmare situation again.

[Nyce_1]

for those that missed it, the Magic talk start around 25:00.

https://www.facebook.com/TheVerticalWoj/videos/vb.228108177528276/433610643644694/?type=3&theater

[yoyojw17]

I'm starting to think the Ibaka trade is gonna be the only one.

If there is nothing available..... i'm fine with that.... rather than taking shots just to say we made another trade. Enjoy gordon back at the pf postion.... and ross as a new player.... and embrace the tank

I'm cool with it too, I just feel like if we don't make a move then Watson and Green will be our starters to close the year out instead of the Payton/Fournier/Ross/Gordon/Vuc lineup that it should be.

most might disagree.... but even if they were on the team.... i don't see them starting. I think they were played because of trade value more than anything. according to what i've read on here..... Watson suffered a phantom injury and green might be waived if not moved. That line up you suggested might be what we will see....and i'll be happy to see

[MagicFan101]

I bet this is the "better offer" Vlade Divac mentioned. The agents probably squashed it.

I'm not a huge Cousins fan, but if we really could have had him for Fournier and Vooch, we made a mistake. And I'm a pretty big Vooch supporter.

Someone posted on the forum somewhere an article saying Cousins' agents (Fegan and someone else) told the other 29 teams that Cousins had no intention of signing an extension and made it clear it was a possibility he could leave in a year and half. I think given the Magic's history as a franchise and history with Fegan, it would be enough to hold back. If that's the case, it's hard for me to blame them.

That plus the fact that our 2017 lottery pick would have of course been included. I assume we could have received the same top 3 protections NO did but there are some guys outside the top 3 we could really use.

Giving up that pick for a guy who has never won anything and is likely to walk next summer just doesn't make sense.

Get it together guys. This would have delayed the rebuild even longer.

[magicfan4life88]

What if we landed Drummond and Jackson? What would it take for that? Would would you trade to do it?

[rcklsscognition]

I wonder of Vogel is all but calling the shots at this point and Rob is just doing whatever Frank wants and Rob knows he is getting canned this summer.

[BCS]

I wonder of Vogel is all but calling the shots at this point and Rob is just doing whatever Frank wants and Rob knows he is getting canned this summer.

The Biz signing was all Vogel.

[OrlandoDream]

I wonder of Vogel is all but calling the shots at this point and Rob is just doing whatever Frank wants and Rob knows he is getting canned this summer.

Thats what I'm thinking too. At this point, there is no need for Rob to do anything else. We are just waiting til the season ends to give him the pink slip. Even he knows this by now. Part of the FO I'm sure is considering Vogel for Coach -GM duty if we can't find anybody.

[OrlandoDream]

What if we landed Drummond and Jackson? What would it take for that? Would would you trade to do it?

If Stan wants to move them, that doesn't really Scream "DO IT HENNY" that much to me. There is a reason they are not fitting well there and we don't need more gambles here.

[Jameerthefear]

I wonder of Vogel is all but calling the shots at this point and Rob is just doing whatever Frank wants and Rob knows he is getting canned this summer.

Thats what I'm thinking too. At this point, there is no need for Rob to do anything else. We are just waiting til the season ends to give him the pink slip. Even he knows this by now. Part of the FO I'm sure is considering Vogel for Coach -GM duty if we can't find anybody.

That's something we don't need to do. Hire Mitch if you need to.

[OrlandO]

I wonder of Vogel is all but calling the shots at this point and Rob is just doing whatever Frank wants and Rob knows he is getting canned this summer.

The Biz signing was all Vogel.

Probably pushed for Augustin and Rudez, too (his former players).

[BballIsLife11]

My high thoughts of the night.
Teams did not offer much for Cousins because they were likely worried about Fegan's message that Cousins had no intentions of singing an extension. Which is why I think they would have liked the Vucevic and Fournier pairing more than people think. That must have made our management too scared of going through that again. Except with a more crazy superstar this time.
With that said, Dan Fegan must have serious pull to be involved and influence a trade before reported. Too hard to manage and enforce i guess.

Separately, based on Woj's comments, I think that Rob is a sitting duck until the end of the deadline or season, and he knows it. I just hope it's not Vogel that will be taking on that role once he's fired.

I still wonder though, why doesn't any trade or possible trade speculation about the Magic ever get leaked. Rob must have a good deal with someone for that.

[PrimeThyme]

Glad it's finally starting to come out that Vogel has and had major input on the decisions made and being made with this roster. I and others have been on here for months saying you can't blame all the decisions made with the roster on Rob. Vogel deserves blame for this. && now after Woj confirms that Vogel might even have more say on roster decisions than Rob at this point people are going to continue to put all the blame on him for the Cousins deal? People are just looking to use Rob as a scapegoat.

I'm not even a Rob supporter but the major issues we have with this franchise right now go way beyond Rob. The problems start with Vogel and you can work you way all the way up to the top. But it is by no means all on Rob.

[Nyce_1]

Glad it's finally starting to come out that Vogel has and had major input on the decisions made and being made with this roster. I and others have been on here for months saying you can't blame all the decisions made with the roster on Rob. Vogel deserves blame for this. && now after Woj confirms that Vogel might even have more say on roster decisions than Rob at this point people are going to continue to put all the blame on him for the Cousins deal? People are just looking to use Rob as a scapegoat.

I'm not even a Rob supporter but the major issues we have with this franchise right now go way beyond Rob. The problems start with Vogel and you can work you way all the way up to the top. But it is by no means all on Rob.

I just wish our GM could do the job he was hired to do. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!

I may just turn into a casual fan to avoid heartache.

[MagicStarwipe]

I can't wait to see the savvy smarts Vogel has displayed as our coach put to use as our new GM lol.