2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[spearsy23]

are you going to do what is best for not just him but the organization and trade him and rebuild?

Can you explain how trading a superstar, who you just demanded sign an extension, in his prime is actually better for the organization? Not for a fan who only cares about championships, but for the actual organization.

[Balkman32]

Who's the more likely to be traded: Singler or Morrow?

[Balkman32]

Who's the more likely to be traded: Roberson or Payne?

[Balkman32]

are you going to do what is best for not just him but the organization and trade him and rebuild?

Can you explain how trading a superstar, who you just demanded sign an extension, in his prime is actually better for the organization? Not for a fan who only cares about championships, but for the actual organization.

Listen. Westbrook aint going no where. He is signing an extension here in the off season for the full max. End of story.

[spearsy23]

Literally nothing was built around Dwight. Dwight was brought in to complement Harden, which actually didn't work.

What? The entire team was built to work together, three point shooters surrounding a pair of stars that were supposed to compliment each other. It wasnt building around harden, it was collecting stars then building around them. But how is any of that relevant? Even with durant we'd still be lacking a starting pf, backup pg, backup sf, and be the second worst shooting team in the league. Excusing this collection of piss poor players because we lost durant makes no sense.

Wait they weren't building around Durant? What? I'm not saying the bench is good but the entire roster was built around the idea of having a sharpshooting 3 who could handle the ball and create. It now has Andre Roberson, who I like a lot but is....not that. If you put Durant on the team as constructed and bump VO to the bench, as it was meant to be, the construction looks a heckuva lot better than now and isn't missing much.

Houston wasn't built around Harden? I mean, huh? They were built exactly around Harden, he's their franchise. Russ hasn't been that until July.

If the entire roster is built around the idea that two guys do everything with help from anyone else then that's a pretty piss poor job of building. We were built around Russ and Cupcake together, just like Houston was built around Dwight and harden together. The difference is that when Dwight left Morey didn't go '**** it, harden can do it himself.'

[bondom34]

What? The entire team was built to work together, three point shooters surrounding a pair of stars that were supposed to compliment each other. It wasnt building around harden, it was collecting stars then building around them. But how is any of that relevant? Even with durant we'd still be lacking a starting pf, backup pg, backup sf, and be the second worst shooting team in the league. Excusing this collection of piss poor players because we lost durant makes no sense.

Wait they weren't building around Durant? What? I'm not saying the bench is good but the entire roster was built around the idea of having a sharpshooting 3 who could handle the ball and create. It now has Andre Roberson, who I like a lot but is....not that. If you put Durant on the team as constructed and bump VO to the bench, as it was meant to be, the construction looks a heckuva lot better than now and isn't missing much.

Houston wasn't built around Harden? I mean, huh? They were built exactly around Harden, he's their franchise. Russ hasn't been that until July.

If the entire roster is built around the idea that two guys do everything with help from anyone else then that's a pretty piss poor job of building. We were built around Russ and Cupcake together, just like Houston was built around Dwight and harden together. The difference is that when Dwight left Morey didn't go '**** it, harden can do it himself.'

They weren't built around Harden and Dwight though, they were built around Harden. Capela literally does everything they wanted Dwight to do, which says exactly how much they were built around him.

[spearsy23]

Wait they weren't building around Durant? What? I'm not saying the bench is good but the entire roster was built around the idea of having a sharpshooting 3 who could handle the ball and create. It now has Andre Roberson, who I like a lot but is....not that. If you put Durant on the team as constructed and bump VO to the bench, as it was meant to be, the construction looks a heckuva lot better than now and isn't missing much.

Houston wasn't built around Harden? I mean, huh? They were built exactly around Harden, he's their franchise. Russ hasn't been that until July.

If the entire roster is built around the idea that two guys do everything with help from anyone else then that's a pretty piss poor job of building. We were built around Russ and Cupcake together, just like Houston was built around Dwight and harden together. The difference is that when Dwight left Morey didn't go '**** it, harden can do it himself.'

They weren't built around Harden and Dwight though, they were built around Harden. Capela literally does everything they wanted Dwight to do, which says exactly how much they were built around him.

That may be the most ridiculous thing anyone has said in this thread. What they wanted Dwight to do was the same thing he did in Orlando, that's why they gave him a max contract.

[bondom34]

If the entire roster is built around the idea that two guys do everything with help from anyone else then that's a pretty piss poor job of building. We were built around Russ and Cupcake together, just like Houston was built around Dwight and harden together. The difference is that when Dwight left Morey didn't go '**** it, harden can do it himself.'

They weren't built around Harden and Dwight though, they were built around Harden. Capela literally does everything they wanted Dwight to do, which says exactly how much they were built around him.

That may be the most ridiculous thing anyone has said in this thread. What they wanted Dwight to do was the same thing he did in Orlando, that's why they gave him a max contract.

Then why was his usage down slightly, having a near career low in BPM the last season he was there and last year averaging his fewest shots per game since he was 19?

They built around Harden because Harden was the better player acquired first. Dwight was set to be a putback big who could defend and crash the glass. In no way were they built around him at all, they knew they could get his production in other guys.

Put it this way, if they were built around him why didn't they even attempt to keep him? Because normally if you build around a guy you want to keep him.

[spearsy23]

They weren't built around Harden and Dwight though, they were built around Harden. Capela literally does everything they wanted Dwight to do, which says exactly how much they were built around him.

That may be the most ridiculous thing anyone has said in this thread. What they wanted Dwight to do was the same thing he did in Orlando, that's why they gave him a max contract.

Then why was his usage down slightly, having a near career low in BPM the last season he was there and last year averaging his fewest shots per game since he was 19?

They built around Harden because Harden was the better player acquired first. Dwight was set to be a putback big who could defend and crash the glass. In no way were they built around him at all, they knew they could get his production in other guys.

Put it this way, if they were built around him why didn't they even attempt to keep him? Because normally if you build around a guy you want to keep him.

Because it didn't work. You're conflating what actually happened with their intentions. They built around Dwight and harden and when it didn't work they built around harden, just like we built around cupcake and Russ and when it didn't work were just didn't bother building and decided Sam would take the year off instead.

[Balkman32]

ok we get it Houston Sucks. The Thunder were building around a non-alfa dog and the Rockets thought Dwight could be the guy next to the beard. In both situations it didn't work out. Both teams have huge holes... yada yada yada. Lets get back to what this team needs to do. One major difference is the ages of these teams. The Thunder are one of the youngest which is funny that it was also one of Kd's major complaints. Which I get but at the end of the day if the team stays together its better to have young kids growing into contracts than older guys growing out of their contracts.

[SvenniSterki]

Not really relevant to how good the team is now. My main point was that Morey also lost a max contract guy this off season and still managed to put a competent team around his star.

Literally nothing was built around Dwight. Dwight was brought in to complement Harden, which actually didn't work.

What? The entire team was built to work together, three point shooters surrounding a pair of stars that were supposed to compliment each other. It wasnt building around harden, it was collecting stars then building around them. But how is any of that relevant? Even with durant we'd still be lacking a starting pf, backup pg, backup sf, and be the second worst shooting team in the league. Excusing this collection of piss poor players because we lost durant makes no sense.

Wasnt Al Horford going to sign with OKC if he was sure KD would be at least 2 more years?
That looks like a pretty good starting 5 to me ... Russ, Oladipo, KD, Horford, Adams

[bondom34]

That may be the most ridiculous thing anyone has said in this thread. What they wanted Dwight to do was the same thing he did in Orlando, that's why they gave him a max contract.

Then why was his usage down slightly, having a near career low in BPM the last season he was there and last year averaging his fewest shots per game since he was 19?

They built around Harden because Harden was the better player acquired first. Dwight was set to be a putback big who could defend and crash the glass. In no way were they built around him at all, they knew they could get his production in other guys.

Put it this way, if they were built around him why didn't they even attempt to keep him? Because normally if you build around a guy you want to keep him.

Because it didn't work. You're conflating what actually happened with their intentions. They built around Dwight and harden and when it didn't work they built around harden, just like we built around cupcake and Russ and when it didn't work were just didn't bother building and decided Sam would take the year off instead.

So wait, Morey failed (worse) for years, and decided not to even try to sign Dwight (who you say they were building around). In that case, why not compare it to Presti telling Durant not to even sign in OKC? Because that's essentially what Houston did.

[SvenniSterki]

Who's the more likely to be traded: Singler or Morrow?

I would have to say Morrow. Singler got a longer contract so is more expensive....

[SvenniSterki]

Who's the more likely to be traded: Roberson or Payne?

I think Payne. OKC need more production from their 2nd PG. As of now, I even think OKC is more likely than not to match any offer Roberson will sign in the off-season.

[Balkman32]

Who's the more likely to be traded: Roberson or Payne?

I think Payne. OKC need more production from their 2nd PG. As of now, I even think OKC is more likely than not to match any offer Roberson will sign in the off-season.

I think Denver might have interest in Roberson. He would really help with their perimeter defense and he is young so he fits more with their core. A Roberson, Huestis, Singler and Payne for Gallo works in the trade machine.

[ThunderBolt]

Can't anyone explain why we traded a draft pick for Jerami Grant? That still hacks me off. I've never heard a good reason for it.

[bondom34]

Can't anyone explain why we traded a draft pick for Jerami Grant? That still hacks me off. I've never heard a good reason for it.

Nothing great, but the protections on it are solid. Wish they wouldn't have.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Can't anyone explain why we traded a draft pick for Jerami Grant? That still hacks me off. I've never heard a good reason for it.

Because veteran players that could help you win now are bad. If you have a collection of low ceiling 24 year olds there will be idiots dreaming about some fictional potential of your scrubs.

[spearsy23]

Then why was his usage down slightly, having a near career low in BPM the last season he was there and last year averaging his fewest shots per game since he was 19?

They built around Harden because Harden was the better player acquired first. Dwight was set to be a putback big who could defend and crash the glass. In no way were they built around him at all, they knew they could get his production in other guys.

Put it this way, if they were built around him why didn't they even attempt to keep him? Because normally if you build around a guy you want to keep him.

Because it didn't work. You're conflating what actually happened with their intentions. They built around Dwight and harden and when it didn't work they built around harden, just like we built around cupcake and Russ and when it didn't work were just didn't bother building and decided Sam would take the year off instead.

So wait, Morey failed (worse) for years, and decided not to even try to sign Dwight (who you say they were building around).


In that case, why not compare it to Presti telling Durant not to even sign in OKC? Because that's essentially what Houston did.

What exactly does any of this have to do with the argument that presti has done a **** job building around Russ and Morey did a good job getting players that fit around Harden? Both teams had 2 stars for the last 3 years, both teams lost one this off-season, one built a team and the other traded a better player, fit, and daft pick for jerami grant.

[spearsy23]

Can't anyone explain why we traded a draft pick for Jerami Grant? That still hacks me off. I've never heard a good reason for it.

Forget the draft pick, why would we even trade ilyasova for grant?