2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[bondom34]

Because it didn't work. You're conflating what actually happened with their intentions. They built around Dwight and harden and when it didn't work they built around harden, just like we built around cupcake and Russ and when it didn't work were just didn't bother building and decided Sam would take the year off instead.

So wait, Morey failed (worse) for years, and decided not to even try to sign Dwight (who you say they were building around).


In that case, why not compare it to Presti telling Durant not to even sign in OKC? Because that's essentially what Houston did.

What exactly does any of this have to do with the argument that presti has done a **** job building around Russ and Morey did a good job getting players that fit around Harden? Both teams had 2 stars for the last 3 years, both teams lost one this off-season, one built a team and the other traded a better player, fit, and daft pick for jerami grant.

Wait you're comparing Houston not even trying to keep an inferior player who didn't fit to Durant? Yeah I don't think this is going anywhere.

[Kizz Fastfists]

What exactly does any of this have to do with the argument that presti has done a **** job building around Russ and Morey did a good job getting players that fit around Harden? Both teams had 2 stars for the last 3 years, both teams lost one this off-season, one built a team and the other traded a better player, fit, and daft pick for jerami grant.

One was wanting that player to leave and had set themselves up with lots of cap space. The other was expecting the player to stay and had built the team around them staying, including using all their space.

[Osirus89]

Who's the more likely to be traded: Singler or Morrow?

Morrow

Who's the more likely to be traded: Roberson or Payne?

Both

Can't anyone explain why we traded a draft pick for Jerami Grant? That still hacks me off. I've never heard a good reason for it.

There is no good reason for that trade. I still hate the Kanter deal so you can imagine my joy about owing Philly a first rounder for a second round player. Also Jerami Grant may have cost the team the opportunity to add Wilson Chandler or Gallo since there is no first rounder. At this point I would be fine with coming away with Bogdonavich and McLemore for the second half of the season. Better than nothing. The clock will start ticking this offseason. Presti needs to do something meaningful this offseason. If it takes offloading Oladipo AND Kanter to do it. Teams are getting better. New Orleans will be a threat next year. If they leapfrog the Thunder next year, that leaves us as the 8th seed if things stay the same. Its going to be harder for us to climb the standings in the coming season, not easier.
I'll avoid a rant on Presti if he manages to "at least" address some of the larger holes on the team in trades. But if this team is STILL the same on Thursday at 3 pm....

[Balkman32]

Can't anyone explain why we traded a draft pick for Jerami Grant? That still hacks me off. I've never heard a good reason for it.

So this pick is only valid for one year and it is only valid for picks 21-30. So lets say we give the Jazz out pick in 2018 because we are not in the lottery. The pick to Phila would then be in 2020 protected picks 1-20. If the Thunder pick #18 in 2020 then the 6ers will receive 2 second round picks in 2022 and 2023. I think the way it is constructed was great because in theory we could deal a lottery protected 2020 pick that would fall in the following ranges 2020 15-20, 2021 15-30, and 2022 15-30. So we could still deal the pick. Or we could deal a 2020 1-20. Grant must have been a guy they really liked at the end of the day.

[spearsy23]

What exactly does any of this have to do with the argument that presti has done a **** job building around Russ and Morey did a good job getting players that fit around Harden? Both teams had 2 stars for the last 3 years, both teams lost one this off-season, one built a team and the other traded a better player, fit, and daft pick for jerami grant.

One was wanting that player to leave and had set themselves up with lots of cap space. The other was expecting the player to stay and had built the team around them staying, including using all their space.

We had 20 million in cap space available plus could have traded kanter for an additional 18 million.

[spearsy23]

So wait, Morey failed (worse) for years, and decided not to even try to sign Dwight (who you say they were building around).


In that case, why not compare it to Presti telling Durant not to even sign in OKC? Because that's essentially what Houston did.

What exactly does any of this have to do with the argument that presti has done a **** job building around Russ and Morey did a good job getting players that fit around Harden? Both teams had 2 stars for the last 3 years, both teams lost one this off-season, one built a team and the other traded a better player, fit, and daft pick for jerami grant.

Wait you're comparing Houston not even trying to keep an inferior player who didn't fit to Durant? Yeah I don't think this is going anywhere.

No I'm comparing two teams that lost max contract players and how they filled out their rosters afterwards.

[bondom34]

What exactly does any of this have to do with the argument that presti has done a **** job building around Russ and Morey did a good job getting players that fit around Harden? Both teams had 2 stars for the last 3 years, both teams lost one this off-season, one built a team and the other traded a better player, fit, and daft pick for jerami grant.

Wait you're comparing Houston not even trying to keep an inferior player who didn't fit to Durant? Yeah I don't think this is going anywhere.

No I'm comparing two teams that lost max contract players and how they filled out their rosters afterwards.

All max players aren't equal.

And look at the roster as it would have been had it been planned.

Russ/Robes/Cupcake/Sabonis/Adams

Cam/VO/whoever/Kanter

The difference is Dwight could be replaced pretty easily for what was asked of him.

[Old Man Game]

Mcdaniels is still riding that hot 3 point shooting month he had to start his career. The guy isn't good at all. Basically a smaller jerami grant.

I think Zach's point was just to take a flier on him since he's an athletic wing, which is a commodity in this league & the prospect of him figuring out how to shoot isn't completely outside the realm of possibility.

[spearsy23]

Wait you're comparing Houston not even trying to keep an inferior player who didn't fit to Durant? Yeah I don't think this is going anywhere.

No I'm comparing two teams that lost max contract players and how they filled out their rosters afterwards.

All max players aren't equal.

And look at the roster as it would have been had it been planned.

Russ/Robes/Cupcake/Sabonis/Adams

Cam/VO/whoever/Kanter

The difference is Dwight could be replaced pretty easily for what was asked of him.

That roster is very underwhelming. 6 guys that are rotation caliber players, no power forward worth playing, horrid spacing.

And it has nothing to do with replacing production, it's about filling out a roster with
A) NBA players
B) two way players
C) guys that accentuate Russ's greatness instead of holding him back.

[spearsy23]

Mcdaniels is still riding that hot 3 point shooting month he had to start his career. The guy isn't good at all. Basically a smaller jerami grant.

I think Zach's point was just to take a flier on him since he's an athletic wing, which is a commodity in this league & the prospect of him figuring out how to shoot isn't completely outside the realm of possibility.

As long as its not us riding that rollercoastet again. Lb

[bondom34]

No I'm comparing two teams that lost max contract players and how they filled out their rosters afterwards.

All max players aren't equal.

And look at the roster as it would have been had it been planned.

Russ/Robes/Cupcake/Sabonis/Adams

Cam/VO/whoever/Kanter

The difference is Dwight could be replaced pretty easily for what was asked of him.

That roster is very underwhelming. 6 guys that are rotation caliber players, no power forward worth playing, horrid spacing.

And it has nothing to do with replacing production, it's about filling out a roster with
A) NBA players
B) two way players
C) guys that accentuate Russ's greatness instead of holding him back.

Look, I don't disagree right now the roster isn't great. But it was built entirely for a skillset of a player who's been replaced by his polar opposite. If this is the team going into next year, yea I'm gonna be annoyed then. Not now.

[spearsy23]

http://hoopshype.com/2017/02/21/this-is-how-trades-go-down-in-the-nba/

Makes me feel a lot better about not hearing any real chatter.

[Balkman32]

Can't anyone explain why we traded a draft pick for Jerami Grant? That still hacks me off. I've never heard a good reason for it.

Forget the draft pick, why would we even trade ilyasova for grant?

LOL - To use that 7 million in the next 26 hours....

[ThunderBolt]

Pacers assessing trade value for Paul George. Give them the farm.

[Balkman32]

Pacers assessing trade value for Paul George. Give them the farm.

Yep! Anyone but Russ. We might have to take a Monta Ellis and/or Al Jefferson to make it worth their while.

[Pillendreher]

Pacers assessing trade value for Paul George. Give them the farm.

[ThunderBolt]

If they would take it, I would do it. I knew we didn't have the assets to make these type of deals but now that it's here, it really sucks.

[MjolnirOKC]

Kanter and Dipo are on the table at the moment. Rumor is pushing to IND for PG or CHI for JB. Highly unlikely either move happens, but the FO is trying.

[Dadouv47]

I don't know how, but if we can get him, I would definitely do it. Worth the gamble ( and give us better odds to sign a good free agent during the offseason).

[Balkman32]

Kanter and Dipo are on the table at the moment. Rumor is pushing to IND for PG or CHI for JB. Highly unlikely either move happens, but the FO is trying.

Both are young helps franchise re-set but its gonna come down to what Boston wants to do. The ball is in their court because they have the #1 overall pick.