Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

TeamTragic · Post #1261 » by **TeamTragic** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:09 pm

Cousins agent has already said that he wants to sign with the Lakers. George loves Magic and he won't sign a new contract with the Pacers. Don't forget that they just canned Buss/Kupchak. The writing is on the wall.

We need to go after Butler/George really hard otherwise expect Butler on the Celtics and George/Cousins on the Lakers.

Villalobos · Post #1262 » by **Villalobos** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:16 pm

PG is a very bad fit for the Suns to trade for. Indiana is in the playoffs and they'd be able to pay him a ton of money over anyone else and he's still thinking of leaving for a better winning situation. He'd leave the Suns in a heartbeat. Wouldn't even have to think about it.

MilotheSlayer · Post #1263 » by **MilotheSlayer** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:16 pm

As bad as he's been this year I really hope we keep Knight. Allow another offseason or two where guys are getting paid big bucks (Mozgov, Deng, Crabbe, Leonard, Johnson). Once more guys get paid big that don't deserve it people will look at that Knight deal as a neutral contract. Look at that Chandler contract. Last year it was atrocious, This year I look at it as great value for the production and leadership he will bring compared to other players in the same range as him.

It also hurts me to say this but the best decision we could make might be to move Bledsoe. He's my 2nd favorite Sun and I don't think he deserves to be moved, especially with how he's taken the leadership role and been the face of the suns. But his value will never be higher and with a PG heavy draft it might make sense to cash in now. Which would allow Commander Knight so showcase to us how much better he'd be as a starter where he doesn't have the pressure to create a spark every single game off of the bench.

Side note: Does anyone else look at the Dudley contract as a bad contract?? Especially with how people view Chandlers and Knights. I get why we paid him that much, but I don't get how any team could possibly be interested in him and not Knight.

King4Day · Post #1264 » by **King4Day** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:18 pm

Other rumors:

Cavs want Pat Beverly for Shumpert
Rockets want Shump but won't trade Bev (to anyone)

per Stein

Knicks/Wolves supposedly close on a deal surrounding Rose and Rubio

per https://twitter.com/JSports_ent

Knicks fans on reddit seem to trust this guy.

Rubio apparently stopped following the Wolves and started following KP too.

Frank Lee · Post #1265 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:20 pm

No Boogie, no other deals needed until the draft lotto shakes out.

Trading Tucker doesn't move any needle. Keep him and be quick to lock him up for 4-5 more yrs. like it or not, his value to us is greater than to others. Good faith points to all other comers.

We end up with a top pick, both Chicago and Indy will/should be interested if their studs are ready to move. A Bled, Book, Butler trio is one to reckon with especially with Chandler, Tuck, Chriss, and Bender in tow. This is what I expect from McD.

Post #1266 » by **rsavaj** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:21 pm

Rubio is one of my favorite non-Suns...wish there was a way to get him here.

Frank Lee · Post #1267 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:25 pm

PS.... missing on DMC, PG, and JBut is strike one two and three. Upper level talent is needed to go along with Book and Bled, else their time here is wasted for yet another year.

NTB · Post #1268 » by **NTB** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:25 pm

Read on Twitter

blee732 · Post #1269 » by **blee732** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:26 pm

Regarding PG, I don't want us to trade for him (unless it's a Boogie-like trade), but I DO want McD to get involved to force other bids up. The more we force other teams to give up, the better our position becomes.

TeamTragic · Post #1270 » by **TeamTragic** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:37 pm

Frank Lee wrote:No Boogie, no other deals needed until the draft lotto shakes out.

Trading Tucker doesn't move any needle. Keep him and be quick to lock him up for 4-5 more yrs. like it or not, his value to us is greater than to others. Good faith points to all other comers.

We end up with a top pick, both Chicago and Indy will/should be interested if their studs are ready to move. A Bled, Book, Butler trio is one to reckon with especially with Chandler, Tuck, Chriss, and Bender in tow. This is what I expect from McD.

Ainge doesn't want to part with Crowder. Therefore we need to get on the phone with Chicago. Not interested in giving Tucker a new contract. We need to move him ASAP because Knight isn't going anywhere.

I'm thinking that Knight/Warren/Len/pick should be enough for Butler. If Knight is an issue then replace him with a pick that is equal value. Does Chicago say yes if Boston won't include Crowder?

Frank Lee wrote:PS.... missing on DMC, PG, and JBut is strike one two and three. Upper level talent is needed to go along with Book and Bled, else their time here is wasted for yet another year.

No doubt. McD needs to step it up. Time to go big or go home.

thamadkant · Post #1271 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:45 pm

Knight for Shumpert

Warren, Len, Heat pick 2018/19, Suns 2018 for George

King4Day · Post #1272 » by **King4Day** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:47 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:No Boogie, no other deals needed until the draft lotto shakes out.

Trading Tucker doesn't move any needle. Keep him and be quick to lock him up for 4-5 more yrs. like it or not, his value to us is greater than to others. Good faith points to all other comers.

We end up with a top pick, both Chicago and Indy will/should be interested if their studs are ready to move. A Bled, Book, Butler trio is one to reckon with especially with Chandler, Tuck, Chriss, and Bender in tow. This is what I expect from McD.

Ainge doesn't want to part with Crowder. Therefore we need to get on the phone with Chicago. Not interested in giving Tucker a new contract. We need to move him ASAP because Knight isn't going anywhere.

I'm thinking that Knight/Warren/Len/pick should be enough for Butler. If Knight is an issue then replace him with a pick that is equal value. Does Chicago say yes if Boston won't include Crowder?

Frank Lee wrote:PS.... missing on DMC, PG, and JBut is strike one two and three. Upper level talent is needed to go along with Book and Bled, else their time here is wasted for yet another year.

No doubt. McD needs to step it up. Time to go big or go home.

Knight has 0 value and still has 3 years left.
Len is an expiring.
Warren is still TBD
The pick may only be a 3-6 selection.

I'm sure Chicago isn't only looking for Crowder. It's probably him on top of the Nets pick(s).
Can't hurt to make the offer though.

TeamTragic · Post #1273 » by **TeamTragic** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:51 pm

DarkHawk wrote:
GoranTragic wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:No Boogie, no other deals needed until the draft lotto shakes out.

Trading Tucker doesn't move any needle. Keep him and be quick to lock him up for 4-5 more yrs. like it or not, his value to us is greater than to others. Good faith points to all other comers.

We end up with a top pick, both Chicago and Indy will/should be interested if their studs are ready to move. A Bled, Book, Butler trio is one to reckon with especially with Chandler, Tuck, Chriss, and Bender in tow. This is what I expect from McD.

Ainge doesn't want to part with Crowder. Therefore we need to get on the phone with Chicago. Not interested in giving Tucker a new contract. We need to move him ASAP because Knight isn't going anywhere.

I'm thinking that Knight/Warren/Len/pick should be enough for Butler. If Knight is an issue then replace him with a pick that is equal value. Does Chicago say yes if Boston won't include Crowder?

Frank Lee wrote:PS.... missing on DMC, PG, and JBut is strike one two and three. Upper level talent is needed to go along with Book and Bled, else their time here is wasted for yet another year.

No doubt. McD needs to step it up. Time to go big or go home.

Knight has 0 value and still has 3 years left.
Len is an expiring.
Warren is still TBD
The pick may only be a 3-6 selection.

I'm sure Chicago isn't only looking for Crowder. It's probably him on top of the Nets pick(s).
Can't hurt to make the offer though.

I think Chicago wants a package that includes Crowder/picks. Boston says they will give them a package that include picks but they aren't willing to part with Crowder. Maybe Ainge is calling their bluff.

LukasBMW · Post #1274 » by **LukasBMW** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:53 pm

I'd take Butler, but not PG unless we get him cheap.

PG is gone! Gone! Gone! Butler still has 4 years on his contract.

AND, if the hold up on a Boston/Butler deal is Boston not wanting to include Crowder and make the BKN pick unprotected, then I offer Len, TJ, and our totally unprotected 17 pick for Butler. If they want more, then we flip Knight and/or Tucker for picks.

We still have our two Miami picks AND our own future picks to deal for another star.

Butler for the unprotected BKN pick and Crowder is very fair. If Ainge doesn't think so, we can beat it.

TeamTragic · Post #1275 » by **TeamTragic** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:56 pm

LukasBMW wrote:I'd take Butler, but not PG unless we get him cheap.

PG is gone! Gone! Gone! Butler still has 4 years on his contract.

AND, if the hold up on a Boston/Butler deal is Boston not wanting to include Crowder and make the BKN pick unprotected, then I offer Len, TJ, and our totally unprotected 17 pick for Butler. If they want more, then we flip Knight and/or Tucker for picks.

We still have our two Miami picks AND our own future picks to deal for another star.

Butler for the unprotected BKN pick and Crowder is very fair. If Ainge doesn't think so, we can beat it.

I hope McD is on the phone right now trying to steal Butler. Seems about right since Ainge fleeced McD when he traded for IT.

GET IT DONE!

thamadkant · Post #1276 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:57 pm

PG canbe had cheaper than Butler due to contract

TeamTragic · Post #1277 » by **TeamTragic** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:59 pm

1UPZ wrote:PG canbe had cheaper than Butler due to contract

If we wanted a rental we would have traded for Cousins. McD already has stated that we won't sell the farm for a maybe especially when Butler is available.

thamadkant · Post #1278 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:03 pm

Butler will cost an arm and a leg...

PG might be had without Suns giving up too much.

TeamTragic · Post #1279 » by **TeamTragic** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:05 pm

1UPZ wrote:Butler will cost an arm and a leg...

PG might be had without Suns giving up too much.

What exactly would we offer the Pacers?

Post #1280 » by **ATTL** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:08 pm

No to derrick favors. Jazz fans think he's Malone and I'd get banned from the trade board if I said what I truly feel.