Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

[TeamTragic]

Gambo just came on the radio and is saying the following:

1. 7 or 8 teams are trying to negotiate for Tucker including the Spurs.
2. Suns are kicking the tires on Paul George and Jimmy Butler. Nothing serious, just due diligence.
3. Paul George and his agent are telling teams not to bother trading for him because he is going to the Lakers in 18 months.

What a shock. Bird is about to lose George for nothing. Pacers will be a lottery team.

I kind of figured he would. That should kill any package a team would want to put together for him. If the Lakers knew they'd get PG in 18 months why wouldn't they trade Ingram for Cousins? You'd then have DAR, Randle, PG and Cousins?

Why trade Ingram when you can just sign George and Cousins? Keep Ingram on the team or trade him as high-value asset.

Here we go guys. It has begun. Magic/Pelinka replace Buss/Kupchak. Cousins/George in FA. Contender. BOOM. McD is about to get his ass fired. I can just see it now.

[BobbieL]

Dave King posted this for possible Favors deals. I like the first one if you don't think Len is the answer. Favors is pretty cheaply signed. He will cost more in a year - but Chandler might be coming off books at that time . History with Watson and Okur. If you could get Favors for Tucker, Len and maybe some draft pick protection down the road - seems like a solid move and you still get your top 3 pick

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/2/22/14696546/what-could-favors-cost-the-suns-to-acquire-the-good-folks-at-slcdunk-com-tell-us

Funny that's the first one that popped into my head..Tucker and Len..because Favors will cost a lot next summer, and Len will be much cheaper and could back up Gobert, and then Tucker comes off the books.

But they kind of need a stretch 4, and Dudley was rumored to Utah, so that make sense...Dudley works at 4 with a guy like Gobert in the middle.

But would Jared want to be traded after signing with Suns -- I guess if he said yes

Diaw for Tucker works but the Suns would need to get a first rounder

I like Len and Tucker for Favors. To me, you are paying Len next year if you keep him a lot of money.

[jcsunsfan]

Gambo just came on the radio and is saying the following:

1. 7 or 8 teams are trying to negotiate for Tucker including the Spurs.
2. Suns are kicking the tires on Paul George and Jimmy Butler. Nothing serious, just due diligence.
3. Paul George and his agent are telling teams not to bother trading for him because he is going to the Lakers in 18 months.

What a shock. Bird is about to lose George for nothing. Pacers will be a lottery team.

I kind of figured he would. That should kill any package a team would want to put together for him. If the Lakers knew they'd get PG in 18 months why wouldn't they trade Ingram for Cousins? You'd then have DAR, Randle, PG and Cousins?

Why trade Ingram when you can keep him, sign George and then sign Cousins. Cousins agent said the same thing. Keep Ingram on the team or trade him as high-value asset.

Here we go guys. It has begun. Magic/Pelinka replace Buss/Kupchak. Cousins/George in FA. Contender. Boom. McD is about to get his ass fired. I can just see it now.

Why would McD get fired because the Lakers do well? You only fire McD because you think you have someone else out there who can do better. It is only really stupid owners who fire and then try to come up with a plan.

[Villalobos]

I like the idea of sending MIA's 2018 pick lottery protected (IIRC you can put your own protections on other team's picks you own now) + Tucker + Len for Favors. If you think MIA can get good fast then that pick isn't that amazing, but for Utah it's still a decent first rounder. And if you think Miami will continue to be mediocre or bad, then that's good for the Suns.

[TeamTragic]

Gambo just came on the radio and is saying the following:

1. 7 or 8 teams are trying to negotiate for Tucker including the Spurs.
2. Suns are kicking the tires on Paul George and Jimmy Butler. Nothing serious, just due diligence.
3. Paul George and his agent are telling teams not to bother trading for him because he is going to the Lakers in 18 months.

What a shock. Bird is about to lose George for nothing. Pacers will be a lottery team.

I kind of figured he would. That should kill any package a team would want to put together for him. If the Lakers knew they'd get PG in 18 months why wouldn't they trade Ingram for Cousins? You'd then have DAR, Randle, PG and Cousins?

Why trade Ingram when you can keep him, sign George and then sign Cousins. Cousins agent said the same thing. Keep Ingram on the team or trade him as high-value asset.

Here we go guys. It has begun. Magic/Pelinka replace Buss/Kupchak. Cousins/George in FA. Contender. Boom. McD is about to get his ass fired. I can just see it now.

Why would McD get fired because the Lakers do well? You only fire McD because you think you have someone else out there who can do better. It is only really stupid owners who fire and then try to come up with a plan.

McD struck out on Lebron (no surprise). McD struck out on LMA (it was close but we lost him to the Spurs). He struck out on Cousins (said that he wanted to keep our young core). If he strikes out on both George and Butler then he is toast. DONE.

[Fo-Real]

Cmon Woj Bomb.... BOMB KNIGHTS ASS OUTTA HERE!

[WeekapaugGroove]

What a shock. Bird is about to lose George for nothing. Pacers will be a lottery team.



Why trade Ingram when you can keep him, sign George and then sign Cousins. Cousins agent said the same thing. Keep Ingram on the team or trade him as high-value asset.

Here we go guys. It has begun. Magic/Pelinka replace Buss/Kupchak. Cousins/George in FA. Contender. Boom. McD is about to get his ass fired. I can just see it now.

Why would McD get fired because the Lakers do well? You only fire McD because you think you have someone else out there who can do better. It is only really stupid owners who fire and then try to come up with a plan.

McD struck out on Lebron (no surprise). McD struck out on LMA (it was close but we lost him to the Spurs). He struck out on Cousins (said that he wanted to keep our young core). If he strikes out on both George and Butler then he is toast. DONE.

You're confusing me... on one hand you're saying not getting Cousins is a negative for McD but then you're also saying that Cousins is going to sign with LA in 2018. Same with George. If these guys are going to leave as FA's wouldn't NOT trading for them be a huge win for McD??? If not signing Lebron comes into play then well Sarver is delusional. Heck it's as much Sarvers fault as anyones for FA's not singing here since he got a bad rep as an owner for his dumb moves and comments earlier in his tenure.

McD might get fired but it's far more likely he gets the ax because of the Knight trade and if guys like Chriss, Bender, and next years draft pick don't pan out than the reasons you mentioned.

[bigfoot]

This sums it up in a nutshell ... http://arizonasports.com/story/1031793/1031793/

[Son of Ra]

You gotta be kidding me!!!!

Ugh, this for real? Already don't love it but the question...What first, what protection?
Porter's been awesome this year though, but wow.

C'mon. You can always click on the tweet, and it takes you to LukasBMW's photobucket account.

Haha, mea culpa I know. I thought he posted the screenshot since many can't see the embedded tweets. Checked it myself minutes later. I'll blame it on it having been in the middle of the night over here with my lil one keeping me from sleeping most of the night

Edit: but if you take out Bender and the Gortat, make the pick protected or not the '17 pick then I'm doing the deal. Not that the Wizards ever would...

[bwoolf2]

McD struck out on Lebron (no surprise). McD struck out on LMA (it was close but we lost him to the Spurs). He struck out on Cousins (said that he wanted to keep our young core). If he strikes out on both George and Butler then he is toast. DONE.

If the above is way you feel, You should probably remove this from your sig "President, Bender Fan Club (BFC)
#YOUTHMOVEMENT" , because the 2 are in direct opposition of one another...

[DirtyDez]

What a shock. Bird is about to lose George for nothing. Pacers will be a lottery team.



Why trade Ingram when you can keep him, sign George and then sign Cousins. Cousins agent said the same thing. Keep Ingram on the team or trade him as high-value asset.

Here we go guys. It has begun. Magic/Pelinka replace Buss/Kupchak. Cousins/George in FA. Contender. Boom. McD is about to get his ass fired. I can just see it now.

Why would McD get fired because the Lakers do well? You only fire McD because you think you have someone else out there who can do better. It is only really stupid owners who fire and then try to come up with a plan.

McD struck out on Lebron (no surprise). McD struck out on LMA (it was close but we lost him to the Spurs). He struck out on Cousins (said that he wanted to keep our young core). If he strikes out on both George and Butler then he is toast. DONE.

The core is the backcourt. Why would McD trade 8-10 years of Devin Booker or trade Bledsoe which is the reason that Cousins would re-sign? It was reported that he offered our 1st Rd pick along with some players... The pick is worth more than the Pelly's offer to 99.9% of ppl on the planet who don't believe Hield is the next Curry. It's not a swing and a miss if they simply won't trade him to your team b/c they irrationally value someone else more.

[TeamTragic]

Why would McD get fired because the Lakers do well? You only fire McD because you think you have someone else out there who can do better. It is only really stupid owners who fire and then try to come up with a plan.

McD struck out on Lebron (no surprise). McD struck out on LMA (it was close but we lost him to the Spurs). He struck out on Cousins (said that he wanted to keep our young core). If he strikes out on both George and Butler then he is toast. DONE.

You're confusing me... on one hand you're saying not getting Cousins is a negative for McD but then you're also saying that Cousins is going to sign with LA in 2018. Same with George. If these guys are going to leave as FA's wouldn't NOT trading for them be a huge win for McD??? If not signing Lebron comes into play then well Sarver is delusional. Heck it's as much Sarvers fault as anyones for FA's not singing here since he got a bad rep as an owner for his dumb moves and comments earlier in his tenure.

McD might get fired but it's far more likely he gets the ax because of the Knight trade and if guys like Chriss, Bender, and next years draft pick don't pan out than the reasons you mentioned.

I don't think you are following me. If our rival gets George/Cousins after McD couldn't facilitate either a trade/signing for either player then I can promise you that he gets the axe. Zero chance he survives that apocalypse.

Lakers turn into a contender and we get Bender/Chriss/2017 pick? How do we become a contender with those players? How do we attract a marquee free agent?

I'm not saying the Bender/Chriss/2017 pick aren't going to turn into great players. I'm saying you better package other players/picks not named Booker and get George/Butler then make a run for Cousins/Wall.

Do you really think McD keeps his job without pulling off a major trade? Since it is obvious that we are not exactly the best FA destination.

If the above is way you feel, You should probably remove this from your sig "President, Bender Fan Club (BFC)
#YOUTHMOVEMENT" , because the 2 are in direct opposition of one another...

We still need a star outside our youth to contend. That should be obvious at this point.

[bwgood77]

This sums it up in a nutshell ... http://arizonasports.com/story/1031793/1031793/

This sounds like something stolen from this board

Tucker’s defense on Devin Booker every day in practice is more valuable than the second-round pick

Someone said those EXACT words.

[SideSwipe]

Gambo just came on the radio and is saying the following:

1. 7 or 8 teams are trying to negotiate for Tucker including the Spurs.
2. Suns are kicking the tires on Paul George and Jimmy Butler. Nothing serious, just due diligence.
3. Paul George and his agent are telling teams not to bother trading for him because he is going to the Lakers in 18 months.

To convince George you need Butler or another piece also.

Anyone have an interest in exploring getting both for the following packages:

1. For Butler, Gibson- Bledsoe, Bender, 2018 MIA, 2019 PHX, 2017 #2 Chi gets to rebuild on the fly with assets
2. For George- Knight, Chriss, Warren, PHX #1, MIA 2021 #1 Indy trades out George for good future assets

Roll with

Booker/ Ulis
Butler/ Barbosa
George/ Tucker
Gibson/Dudley
Chandler/Len/ Williams

Great defensive lineup. Two good shooters, though shooting would be a concern, low post offense could also be a concern, but that lineup would be good enough to run with. Could run a defensive lineup of Butler/Tucker/George/Gibson/Chandler that could be deadly. PHX would have cap to work with over the summer or re-sign Gibson and others or go after Griffin.

Booker/Butler/George/Griffin/Chandler---whoa. Extremely unlikely but there is a path in there to make it happen. Are the above assets enough to make it work? Would PHX feel good about sending Bledsoe to Chicago? Could LA put together a better package by 2018 to make a run that would be more competitive than that to go after PG? Could Booker handle PG duties backed by Ulis/ Barbosa? For a chance to do it, I'd be inclined to try.

Do that, pull in Nash as VP of Ops, Jay Triano as coach, and we have a blueprint.

[jcsunsfan]

What a shock. Bird is about to lose George for nothing. Pacers will be a lottery team.



Why trade Ingram when you can keep him, sign George and then sign Cousins. Cousins agent said the same thing. Keep Ingram on the team or trade him as high-value asset.

Here we go guys. It has begun. Magic/Pelinka replace Buss/Kupchak. Cousins/George in FA. Contender. Boom. McD is about to get his ass fired. I can just see it now.

Why would McD get fired because the Lakers do well? You only fire McD because you think you have someone else out there who can do better. It is only really stupid owners who fire and then try to come up with a plan.

McD struck out on Lebron (no surprise). McD struck out on LMA (it was close but we lost him to the Spurs). He struck out on Cousins (said that he wanted to keep our young core). If he strikes out on both George and Butler then he is toast. DONE.

Baloney. McD is doing a great job, especially with the draft. Every GM makes mistakes. Lesser GM's would not have even bothered with LeBron or LMA. He did due diligence on Cousins, but they wanted too much. Just because he enquires does not mean he struck out.

[WeekapaugGroove]

This sums it up in a nutshell ... http://arizonasports.com/story/1031793/1031793/

I don't agree with some of it and since Doug Franz wrote it that doesn't surprise me. Back when I used to listen to talk radio I always thought that guy was a tool.

I would trade Tucker for a 2nd rounder if that was all that was available. This whole "him guarding Booker in practice" stuff is a little silly. There's less than two months left in the season and teams don't even practice that much or hard at this point in the year so I think Booker will be just fine without PJ around. The whole notion that 2nd rounders are worthless is a losers mentality. Have some faith in your scouts that they can find the next Jokic or Green or hell even the next Jordan Clarkson. I get that a high percentage of these guys never hit but the more swings you take the better chance you have.

Chandler I'm not as sold on trading but I do find it funny that he contradicts himself by saying don't trade chandler but then list finding minutes for Len as a priority. Easiest way to do that would be TRADING CHANDLER.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

If the Pacers might lose George for nothing, perhaps we could throw a ton of value at the Pacers for Turner? Pacers could build a solid team pretty quick if they were willing to give him up.

[TeamTragic]

Why would McD get fired because the Lakers do well? You only fire McD because you think you have someone else out there who can do better. It is only really stupid owners who fire and then try to come up with a plan.

McD struck out on Lebron (no surprise). McD struck out on LMA (it was close but we lost him to the Spurs). He struck out on Cousins (said that he wanted to keep our young core). If he strikes out on both George and Butler then he is toast. DONE.

Baloney. McD is doing a great job, especially with the draft. Every GM makes mistakes. Lesser GM's would not have even bothered with LeBron or LMA. He did due diligence on Cousins, but they wanted too much. Just because he enquires does not mean he struck out.

Let me change the words. McD just swung and missed. Does that make you feel better?

[jcsunsfan]

McD struck out on Lebron (no surprise). McD struck out on LMA (it was close but we lost him to the Spurs). He struck out on Cousins (said that he wanted to keep our young core). If he strikes out on both George and Butler then he is toast. DONE.

Baloney. McD is doing a great job, especially with the draft. Every GM makes mistakes. Lesser GM's would not have even bothered with LeBron or LMA. He did due diligence on Cousins, but they wanted too much. Just because he enquires does not mean he struck out.

Let me change the words. McD just swung and missed. Does that make you feel better?

[LukasBMW]

Someone said those EXACT words.