Boston would have said no

twosevenstreet · Post #1 » by **twosevenstreet** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:42 pm

F-ing Billy King said Boston would have not accepted the trade had we put protection on the picks!!!

Liar. We could have at least protected the 2018 pick.

Rainyy · Post #2 » by **Rainyy** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:48 pm

twosevenstreet wrote:F-ing Billy King said Boston would have not accepted the trade had we put protection on the picks!!!

Liar. We could have at least protected the 2018 pick.

Did he say Boston said this or was it an assumption on his part?

Anyway, that misses the point. Even if he had a mandate from ownership, he should have fought harder against a trade if he knew he was being fleeced. Yes, maybe that puts his job in jeopardy, but part of being good at a job is being willing to stand up on certain issues.

twosevenstreet · Post #3 » by **twosevenstreet** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:52 pm

Yeah it completely sucked that he did not have the back bone to fight the trade.

He made so many mistakes in his pursuit of greatness.

Prokorov · Post #4 » by **Prokorov** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:49 pm

to be honest, no one thought those would even have a chance to be lottery let alone top 3 picks.

there was no way to predict deron going from 20/8 allstar to 14/6 backup overnight at 28 years old. but this is why you put top 3-5 protection no matter what.

and no way danny says no to that, he didnt expect these to be in the lottery.

we should have deron williams here playing at near a CP3 level still making us at least 8 seed contenders and a good enough team to sign some solid vets to treadmill.

instead we had to stretch him and blow it up completely.

dont get me wrong billy king F'd us, but lets not pretend anyone thought those would be great picks. even thinking pessimistically.

MrDollarBills · Post #5 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:40 am

I heard the interview. It's a tough call and while I don't believe him when he said Boston would have refused the deal if there were protections, I do think he was honest when he said they didn't think the picks would be top lotto picks.

Everything rested on Deron not turning into a sack of useless trash. He did.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #6 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:45 pm

I'm more upset about the picks swaps than the picks themselves. Just so unnecessary.

NetSymptom · Post #7 » by **NetSymptom** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:47 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I heard the interview. It's a tough call and while I don't believe him when he said Boston would have refused the deal if there were protections, I do think he was honest when he said they didn't think the picks would be top lotto picks.

Everything rested on Deron not turning into a sack of useless trash. He did.

True, plus the horrific Gerald Wallace trade reared its ugly head one last time in that Boston deal. If we didn't force Gerald Wallace on Boston we probably could have saved a pick swap or draft pick

MrDollarBills · Post #8 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:18 pm

I think the Wallace trade was the biggest sin because it set the ball rolling downhill. It was just absolutely nonsensical and reactionary.

twosevenstreet · Post #9 » by **twosevenstreet** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:59 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I think the Wallace trade was the biggest sin because it set the ball rolling downhill. It was just absolutely nonsensical and reactionary.

Damn Dwight Howard!!!!! It's all his fault.

DWill / Dwight PnR in 2012/13 season would have been amazing and we never would have made the stupid Boston trade. But really this is all Thorn's fault for drafting Favors over Cousins. With Boogie we could have traded Brook for CP3 (screw DWill and Melo)

NetSymptom · Post #10 » by **NetSymptom** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:01 pm

twosevenstreet wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I think the Wallace trade was the biggest sin because it set the ball rolling downhill. It was just absolutely nonsensical and reactionary.

Damn Dwight Howard!!!!! It's all his fault.

DWill / Dwight PnR in 2012/13 season would have been amazing and we never would have made the stupid Boston trade. But really this is all Thorn's fault for drafting Favors over Cousins. With Boogie we could have traded Brook for CP3 (screw DWill and Melo)

Thinking of all the different Butterfly Effects with this franchise over the past 8 years would be nauseating

twosevenstreet · Post #11 » by **twosevenstreet** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:03 pm

NetSymptom wrote:
twosevenstreet wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:I think the Wallace trade was the biggest sin because it set the ball rolling downhill. It was just absolutely nonsensical and reactionary.

Damn Dwight Howard!!!!! It's all his fault.

DWill / Dwight PnR in 2012/13 season would have been amazing and we never would have made the stupid Boston trade. But really this is all Thorn's fault for drafting Favors over Cousins. With Boogie we could have traded Brook for CP3 (screw DWill and Melo)

Thinking of all the different Butterfly Effects with this franchise over the past 8 years would be nauseating

Good thing it's friday, we can all go to happy hour and get drunk!!!!

Why couldn't the owners find another way to come up with the money to move into the NBA!!!! Nets would have been contenders had they kept Dr. J, ugh

MGrand15 · Post #12 » by **MGrand15** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:51 pm

No chance Boston would've said no if we put protections on the pick. Billy and ownership just believed that we'd be playoff contenders for a long long time. Regardless of any of that, our core at the time was old. What's going on now should've been considered as a possibility.

This reminds me of Billy saying they top 3 protected the pick for a declining Gerald Wallace because the Nets only liked 3 players in the draft. Ridiculous and insulting to the intelligence of anyone listening.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #13 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:54 pm

Since were considering what if, what if we won the lottery in 2010 and got John Wall?

We would have never traded for Deron and would have a core of Wall-Lopez to build around.

Or what if we won the lottery in 2012 and got Anthony Davis?

Sad to think about.

Vae Victus · Post #14 » by **Vae Victus** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:43 am

Haha, reminds me of the Steve Nash trade with the Lakers. We had to fork over a Traded Player Exception (which we got from trading Lamar Odom for late 1st+pure capspace) + 2 future 1st round picks. Suns werent gonna resign Nash as they felt he was washed up. The only other suitor was TOR who were willing to overpay like mad (they ended up overpaying Hedo Turkoglu after whiffing on Nash).

Our (Please Use More Appropriate Word) FO decided to trade 2 future 1sts for an old man on his last legs who was kept functioning solely due to the fountain of youth that was located in Phoenix, AZ. Considering TOR wasnt gonna trade **** to the Suns and was gonna sign Nash for straight cap space, we STUPIDLY decided to outbid ourselves by forking over ever more future assets. If TOR wasnt gonna play ball in trading THEIR future, why the **** should the Lakers trade THEIRs when they had the best deal on the table by far (TPE + 1st). Nash promptly gets hurt like 2-3 games into the season and becomes utterly useless for the remainder of his contract. The Lakers basically paying him a SUPERB retirement package 3 years 30 mil for doing ABSOLUTELY **** NOTHING.

Oh yea, we ended up sucking complete balls due to Nash going cripple, Kobe effective career ended by injury, DHo bailing at the first opportunity, and Pau Gasol turning utterly indifferent in playing hard on a scrub tier team.

That 1st rounder we still owe to PHO (now belonging to PHI) AT LEAST had some ok protections but slowly getting chipped away, from #1-10, to #1-5, and now #1-3. If we luck out AGAIN and keep our pick this year, our 2018 1st has zero protection, and also owe ORL a future 1st, who get screwed over hard and have a coupla 2nds as their sole compensation (from the DHo trade). If we LOSE our pick this year.... we gotta fork over our 2019 1st unprotected to ORL... **** armageddon for us in Lakerland.

Yea, like Phoenix was gonna say no if we had held our ground and said, "you only get a '1' 1st rounder, take it or leave it, no one else is interested in trading assets for him, good luck." Worst case, throw in a 2nd and thats it.

MrDollarBills · Post #15 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:42 pm

MGrand15 wrote:No chance Boston would've said no if we put protections on the pick. Billy and ownership just believed that we'd be playoff contenders for a long long time. Regardless of any of that, our core at the time was old. What's going on now should've been considered as a possibility.

This reminds me of Billy saying they top 3 protected the pick for a declining Gerald Wallace because the Nets only liked 3 players in the draft. Ridiculous and insulting to the intelligence of anyone listening.

Billy King is a liar, and always has been.

Jagger-meister · Post #16 » by **Jagger-meister** » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:00 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
MGrand15 wrote:No chance Boston would've said no if we put protections on the pick. Billy and ownership just believed that we'd be playoff contenders for a long long time. Regardless of any of that, our core at the time was old. What's going on now should've been considered as a possibility.

This reminds me of Billy saying they top 3 protected the pick for a declining Gerald Wallace because the Nets only liked 3 players in the draft. Ridiculous and insulting to the intelligence of anyone listening.

Billy King is a liar, and always has been.

Don't do this.

- Rich