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[sc8581]

Honestly, it's because people are often bored. Think about the average life of an average human, it's not particularly exciting. Why do you think we have so many distractions in our daily lives and why we desperately rely on them? From smartphones to action movies, TV dramas to sports. Everyone needs an escape from reality since it's boring and they want to be the hero that somehow connects the dots on a particular so called conspiracy.

That's really it. Anything else is really just going around with confirmation bias and digging your head into the sand once that initial belief gets challenged. People want something more out there, it's been that way since the dawn of time. So it never surprises me when certain people think like the way they do, or at least in this special case, Kyrie being a famous person thinking like that is silly.

Yeah but WHY do some people think there's more out there?

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Are you insinuating that because people have a tendency to wonder why that it lends credence with the idea that there indeed is more out there?

Because that's basically circular reasoning and that's how I view conspiracy theorists as a whole. People are just silly and hopelessly average as a whole, they want their lives to desperately matter so they look to alternative views or answers in life to cope with the sheer mediocrity that is their life.

It's a coping mechanism, nothing more. I'm not even trying to be rude or offensive to anyone, but that is the truth. It's why cults get popular too.

Cults, you mean like religions right? If you question a particular religion in regions where those beliefs are heavily followed you will be ostracized. It's the same concept, we're putting our faith in others to tell us what's what.

[Pharaoh]

Honestly, it's because people are often bored. Think about the average life of an average human, it's not particularly exciting. Why do you think we have so many distractions in our daily lives and why we desperately rely on them? From smartphones to action movies, TV dramas to sports. Everyone needs an escape from reality since it's boring and they want to be the hero that somehow connects the dots on a particular so called conspiracy.

That's really it. Anything else is really just going around with confirmation bias and digging your head into the sand once that initial belief gets challenged. People want something more out there, it's been that way since the dawn of time. So it never surprises me when certain people think like the way they do, or at least in this special case, Kyrie being a famous person thinking like that is silly.

Yeah but WHY do some people think there's more out there?

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Are you insinuating that because people have a tendency to wonder why that it lends credence with the idea that there indeed is more out there?

Because that's basically circular reasoning and that's how I view conspiracy theorists as a whole. People are just silly and hopelessly average as a whole, they want their lives to desperately matter so they look to alternative views or answers in life to cope with the sheer mediocrity that is their life.

It's a coping mechanism, nothing more. I'm not even trying to be rude or offensive to anyone, but that is the truth. It's why cults get popular too.

I don't take you as being rude mate so keep answering please

I'm not insinuating that because we have the ability to ask WHY we do so...

I'm asking why when we ask WHY the answer that "You Are Not Special or different and the vast majority are in the same place you are" isn't enough

There are 8 billion people on the planet - let's say 4 billion women & 4 billion men.

As a male that means you are not unique and special - there are billions of you!

I think we spend too much time worried about the physical world and not enough time focused on the spiritual or mental part of life.

IF you are happy with what you have then guess what - you're happy! Most people aren't! They're always looking for the next thing or wanting "more" & in their efforts they end up feeling frustrated and depressed...

And I'm asking why those people pursue that path over and over and over again when they've done it for years and it's never given them happiness?

Isn't that the definition of insanity?

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[DBC10]

Yeah but WHY do some people think there's more out there?

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Are you insinuating that because people have a tendency to wonder why that it lends credence with the idea that there indeed is more out there?

Because that's basically circular reasoning and that's how I view conspiracy theorists as a whole. People are just silly and hopelessly average as a whole, they want their lives to desperately matter so they look to alternative views or answers in life to cope with the sheer mediocrity that is their life.

It's a coping mechanism, nothing more. I'm not even trying to be rude or offensive to anyone, but that is the truth. It's why cults get popular too.

I don't take you as being rude mate so keep answering please

I'm not insinuating that because we have the ability to ask WHY we do so...

I'm asking why when we ask WHY the answer that "You Are Not Special or different and the vast majority are in the same place you are" isn't enough

There are 8 billion people on the planet - let's say 4 billion women & 4 billion men.

As a male that means you are not unique and special - there are billions of you!

I think we spend too much time worried about the physical world and not enough time focused on the spiritual or mental part of life.

IF you are happy with what you have then guess what - you're happy! Most people aren't! They're always looking for the next thing or wanting "more" & in their efforts they end up feeling frustrated and depressed...

And I'm asking why those people pursue that path over and over and over again when they've done it for years and it's never given them happiness?

Isn't that the definition of insanity?

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Simply put, this world will never fully satisfy anyone. That's also what I was trying to get at which is what you seem to have arrived as well. Which is why you see lotto winners having high suicide rates or CEOs or rockband superstars committing suicide. People are always striving for more, I think it's been that way since the age of man first came to be. We're curious beings but that same curiosity leads us to find answers in weirder places that may skew our perspective on life. We like to dig, even though we have no idea where to dig to find answers.

And as for my answer to the bold, if I had an answer for that or really, if anyone else did, I would think they'd be a very rich individual. That's basically the question to the purpose of life, no? For me personally, like I said before, it's a way to cope with life. If what gives them pleasure or sating their curiosity by delving into conspiracies allows them to deal with everyday stress in life, then it must work for them. I don't think it's a great way to cope, in fact it's terrible, always thinking some force or organization is out there plotting your everyday life and seeking to destroy the foundations that you love. Like you noted, it makes people think they're more important or unique than they really think they are. That kind of paranoia cannot be healthy.

[DBC10]

Yeah but WHY do some people think there's more out there?

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Are you insinuating that because people have a tendency to wonder why that it lends credence with the idea that there indeed is more out there?

Because that's basically circular reasoning and that's how I view conspiracy theorists as a whole. People are just silly and hopelessly average as a whole, they want their lives to desperately matter so they look to alternative views or answers in life to cope with the sheer mediocrity that is their life.

It's a coping mechanism, nothing more. I'm not even trying to be rude or offensive to anyone, but that is the truth. It's why cults get popular too.

Cults, you mean like religions right? If you question a particular religion in regions where those beliefs are heavily followed you will be ostracized. It's the same concept, we're putting our faith in others to tell us what's what.

But wouldn't you say you would be trading one blind faith for another? Why put so much trust into another organization that seems conveniently goes against the grain?

[sc8581]

Are you insinuating that because people have a tendency to wonder why that it lends credence with the idea that there indeed is more out there?

Because that's basically circular reasoning and that's how I view conspiracy theorists as a whole. People are just silly and hopelessly average as a whole, they want their lives to desperately matter so they look to alternative views or answers in life to cope with the sheer mediocrity that is their life.

It's a coping mechanism, nothing more. I'm not even trying to be rude or offensive to anyone, but that is the truth. It's why cults get popular too.

Cults, you mean like religions right? If you question a particular religion in regions where those beliefs are heavily followed you will be ostracized. It's the same concept, we're putting our faith in others to tell us what's what.

But wouldn't you say you would be trading one blind faith for another? Why put so much trust into another organization that seems conveniently goes against the grain?

Which is why I look at things logically. Being cynical is something I pride myself on, I do my best to not take anything for granted unless I feel I have a proper understanding of the subject at hand. I can't comprehend all of the science behind a spherical earth, I have no issue admitting that. What I can understand are the numerous experiments done over the years that test the "curvature of the earth", they are very straight forward with basic math, simple tools etc.. However, I still don't feel I have enough information to decisively say either is fact. What I do have is enough information to question the norm and this is the case with many things for me personally, I also believe this was the basic point Kyrie was trying to make.

[Pharaoh]

Pelicans sent their plane with Demps & Gentry to pick up Cousins & Cassipi

Meanwhile Hield was flown commercial to Sacramento.

Is it just me or SHOULD a top flight organisation fly the dudes you traded to their new city on the private plane with the coach & GM?

1 - it might make for awkward conversations but it's classy

2 - at some point the guys you are trading away were "valuable members" of your organisation and thought highly of

3 - they're gonna be available to sign or trade for in the future

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[thesack12]

^ I don't know how all the logistics, language, and timing of the process of trades are handled.

That said, I could see a scenario where the above situation could be considered tampering. Unless when those flights take place, the physicals haven't taken place yet therefore the trade not being made official. Which would technically mean the possession of a player's rights are still in the hands of their old team.

[Pharaoh]

^ I don't know how all the logistics, language, and timing of the process of trades are handled.

That said, I could see a scenario where the above situation could be considered tampering. Unless when those flights take place, the physicals haven't taken place yet therefore the trade not being made official. Which would technically mean the possession of a player's rights are still in the hands of their old team.

How is it tampering though? You've had these guys on your team for - in some cases - years!

It seems like a smart thing to do, a professional courtesy

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[topsearch92]

Pelicans sent their plane with Demps & Gentry to pick up Cousins & Cassipi

Meanwhile Hield was flown commercial to Sacramento.

Is it just me or SHOULD a top flight organisation fly the dudes you traded to their new city on the private plane with the coach & GM?

1 - it might make for awkward conversations but it's classy

2 - at some point the guys you are trading away were "valuable members" of your organisation and thought highly of

3 - they're gonna be available to sign or trade for in the future

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Was Sacramento to busy bleaching the locker room to send their plane for Hield?

[thesack12]

^ I don't know how all the logistics, language, and timing of the process of trades are handled.

That said, I could see a scenario where the above situation could be considered tampering. Unless when those flights take place, the physicals haven't taken place yet therefore the trade not being made official. Which would technically mean the possession of a player's rights are still in the hands of their old team.

How is it tampering though? You've had these guys on your team for - in some cases - years!

It seems like a smart thing to do, a professional courtesy

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Like I said before, I am unaware on when the ownership for the players involved in trades actually changes hands. Is it immediately after the teams send the paperwork to the league office and its approved, or is it after all players involved take their physical with their new team and get a clean bill of health thus the trade becoming "official?"

If the ownership shifts to the new team after the league approves the trade, having the old team's brass personally fly players out could certainly invite potential tampering issues. For instance: Lets say a player traded was only included for salary purposes and the old team very much wants the player back, say for instance when Detroit traded McDyess, that plane ride discussion could be a recruitment coversation when/if said player gets bought out by their new team. It also could occur if a team is having a down year due to injuries or whatever and does a player with an expiring contract a solid by trading them to a contending team, but the old team has full intentions of going after said player in free agency. That plane conversation could again be of the recruiting nature.

Sure, those kind of situations are rare and all those conversations could obviously occur prior to a player getting traded. But if a player's rights are owned by a another team, yet that player spends intimate time/conversation with a different team's owner/GM/coach/etc that is really why the tampering rules are in place.

[Pharaoh]

^ I don't know how all the logistics, language, and timing of the process of trades are handled.

That said, I could see a scenario where the above situation could be considered tampering. Unless when those flights take place, the physicals haven't taken place yet therefore the trade not being made official. Which would technically mean the possession of a player's rights are still in the hands of their old team.

How is it tampering though? You've had these guys on your team for - in some cases - years!

It seems like a smart thing to do, a professional courtesy

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Like I said before, I am unaware on when the ownership for the players involved in trades actually changes hands. Is it immediately after the teams send the paperwork to the league office and its approved, or is it after all players involved take their physical with their new team and get a clean bill of health thus the trade becoming "official?"

If the ownership shifts to the new team after the league approves the trade, having the old team's brass personally fly players out could certainly invite potential tampering issues. For instance: Lets say a player traded was only included for salary purposes and the old team very much wants the player back, say for instance when Detroit traded McDyess, that plane ride discussion could be a recruitment coversation when/if said player gets bought out by their new team. It also could occur if a team is having a down year due to injuries or whatever and does a player with an expiring contract a solid by trading them to a contending team, but the old team has full intentions of going after said player in free agency. That plane conversation could again be of the recruiting nature.

Sure, those kind of situations are rare and all those conversations could obviously occur prior to a player getting traded. But if a player's rights are owned by a another team, yet that player spends intimate time/conversation with a different team's owner/GM/coach/etc that is really why the tampering rules are in place.

If memory serves the bought out bit is covered in the CBA ..."Lindsey Hunter to Celtics" clause

You can't trade a dude, his new team buys him out then he comes back...

Maybe I'm mis-remembering the CBA or it's changed but I think it's a real thing

Also don't think you can do what Indiana did once which was trade Mark Jackson to Denver for something then trade something else to Denver for Mark Jackson - that's viewed as circumventing the cap

The only case where the CBA doesn't cover this (again if memory serves) is if a guy is a potential free agent after that season

I don't know - just something I thought was interesting that Hield flew commercial while the Pelicans private plane flew to collect Cousins & Cassipi...

I wonder who spoke to Cassipi and for how long lol

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[The Penguin]

Why are the Jazz and Nuggets just going to allow Deron Williams to sign with the Cavs for cheap? Both have cap space and could easily claim him and he looks to help both as they are pushing towards the playoffs.

[joedumars1]

Why are the Jazz and Nuggets just going to allow Deron Williams to sign with the Cavs for cheap? Both have cap space and could easily claim him and he looks to help both as they are pushing towards the playoffs.

Things that make you think the NBA is rigged. It's weird. Pels might be able to use him too.

[The Penguin]

Why are the Jazz and Nuggets just going to allow Deron Williams to sign with the Cavs for cheap? Both have cap space and could easily claim him and he looks to help both as they are pushing towards the playoffs.

Things that make you think the NBA is rigged. It's weird. Pels might be able to use him too.

The Jazz were rumored to be interested in trading for him. Now they can just claim him and they are just going to let him walk to Cleveland?

[DocRI]

Why are the Jazz and Nuggets just going to allow Deron Williams to sign with the Cavs for cheap? Both have cap space and could easily claim him and he looks to help both as they are pushing towards the playoffs.

Things that make you think the NBA is rigged. It's weird. Pels might be able to use him too.

The Jazz were rumored to be interested in trading for him. Now they can just claim him and they are just going to let him walk to Cleveland?

It's possible Williams' agent has let teams know that he wants to go to CLE and therefore won't report if claimed. But even beyond that, I think it's an honor / respect thing, not the league being rigged. DAL cut Williams so he would be free to join a contender, so blocking him from doing so would be seen as "dirty pool" (and players and agents have long memories about those sort of things). You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, so there's no reason to go out of your way to force a player on to your team who doesn't want to be there.

[ComboGuardCity]

Deron has also been known to be a diva. Nobody wants to add a malcontent to the Locker room, especially against his own will.

[Pharaoh]

Deron has also been known to be a diva. Nobody wants to add a malcontent to the Locker room, especially against his own will.

No point claiming a guy who likely has made it obvious he doesn't want to be claimed.

Why mess up your locker room while you're making a playoff push?

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[Warspite]

I always keep it in the back of my head that any one of you could be a super-intelligent bison typing by sticking a toothpick in your mouth. We're told that bison aren't intelligent enough to comprehend human language. We're told that they have little to no access to toothpicks and computers. We're told a lot of things. I'm not saying any of you are actually super-intelligent bison, but I'm not saying that you're not either. There is simply no way of knowing, so any of you who go to one side of the fence or the other are just deluding yourselves.

I lol'd

I consider myself to an average guy so when it comes to conspiracy theories I have a few questions:

Why do believe people in the "sinister, world controlling" bit? Like... when did that start, who thought about doing it, how did they do it, WHY do it and how is it still in place today?

And on the other hand:

Assuming the "sinister, world controlling" theory is complete and utter rubbish how come you can read all these articles about Rothchilds, Morgans, Rockefellers & others who are apparently part of it?

On a personal level IDGAF cause I can't change something that controls the world (or doesn't but people believe it does) but with a bit of spare time it's not hard to find an article on the subject

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Simple answer:

When one believes the events of the world are contrived then one can absolve ones self of personal responsibility.

When you lose your job you can blame it on the Rothchilds/illuminati/racism instead of the fact that you are late for work 3 days a week and you send photo copies of your genitals to every woman in the office.

Conspiracy theories are all the rage in the world of unintelligent and immoral people. Every arab muslim will tell you that the reason for all evil that befalls them is the jews. Its not there own corrupt leaders or backwards religion that keeps them in poverty. They refuse to take responsibility for themselves and so rely on conspiracy theories to explain there own stupidity. Nobody wants to be the bad guys and everyone wants to be the victim.

[Pharaoh]

I always keep it in the back of my head that any one of you could be a super-intelligent bison typing by sticking a toothpick in your mouth. We're told that bison aren't intelligent enough to comprehend human language. We're told that they have little to no access to toothpicks and computers. We're told a lot of things. I'm not saying any of you are actually super-intelligent bison, but I'm not saying that you're not either. There is simply no way of knowing, so any of you who go to one side of the fence or the other are just deluding yourselves.

I lol'd

I consider myself to an average guy so when it comes to conspiracy theories I have a few questions:

Why do believe people in the "sinister, world controlling" bit? Like... when did that start, who thought about doing it, how did they do it, WHY do it and how is it still in place today?

And on the other hand:

Assuming the "sinister, world controlling" theory is complete and utter rubbish how come you can read all these articles about Rothchilds, Morgans, Rockefellers & others who are apparently part of it?

On a personal level IDGAF cause I can't change something that controls the world (or doesn't but people believe it does) but with a bit of spare time it's not hard to find an article on the subject

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Simple answer:

When one believes the events of the world are contrived then one can absolve ones self of personal responsibility.

When you lose your job you can blame it on the Rothchilds/illuminati/racism instead of the fact that you are late for work 3 days a week and you send photo copies of your genitals to every woman in the office.

Conspiracy theories are all the rage in the world of unintelligent and immoral people. Every arab muslim will tell you that the reason for all evil that befalls them is the jews. Its not there own corrupt leaders or backwards religion that keeps them in poverty. They refuse to take responsibility for themselves and so rely on conspiracy theories to explain there own stupidity. Nobody wants to be the bad guys and everyone wants to be the victim.

To the bold: surely not everyone who believes in a conspiracy theory is immoral & unintelligent

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[Phenomenonsense]

I lol'd

I consider myself to an average guy so when it comes to conspiracy theories I have a few questions:

Why do believe people in the "sinister, world controlling" bit? Like... when did that start, who thought about doing it, how did they do it, WHY do it and how is it still in place today?

And on the other hand:

Assuming the "sinister, world controlling" theory is complete and utter rubbish how come you can read all these articles about Rothchilds, Morgans, Rockefellers & others who are apparently part of it?

On a personal level IDGAF cause I can't change something that controls the world (or doesn't but people believe it does) but with a bit of spare time it's not hard to find an article on the subject

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Simple answer:

When one believes the events of the world are contrived then one can absolve ones self of personal responsibility.

When you lose your job you can blame it on the Rothchilds/illuminati/racism instead of the fact that you are late for work 3 days a week and you send photo copies of your genitals to every woman in the office.

Conspiracy theories are all the rage in the world of unintelligent and immoral people. Every arab muslim will tell you that the reason for all evil that befalls them is the jews. Its not there own corrupt leaders or backwards religion that keeps them in poverty. They refuse to take responsibility for themselves and so rely on conspiracy theories to explain there own stupidity. Nobody wants to be the bad guys and everyone wants to be the victim.

To the bold: surely not everyone who believes in a conspiracy theory is immoral & unintelligent

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He didn't say that. He said they are all the rage in unintelligent communities. This seems to imply intelligent people are involved in them "less often" or at a lesser rate, but does not imply only unintelligent people like them. I just wish people who looked at conspiracy theories used the same skepticism they use against the "established theory."