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Unbreakable99 · Post #1461 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:22 pm

Omg. If Simmons needs to get another surgery I'm going to be so angry.

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Post #1462 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:25 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Omg. If Simmons needs to get another surgery I'm going to be so angry.

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As long as his foot is right for training camp, I don't care what they have to do.

Bum Adebayo · Post #1463 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:28 pm

jrob23 wrote:So if the team is keeping Ben out because they want to tank...why are they going out and winning? Time to accept it, your boy Ben wanted this. The injury excuse is just cover for it. You fans deserve better.

This is what i've been saying all the time, you are correct, Simmons plan was clear from the beginning, to not play this season so he can be ROY next year, but this would make Simmons look bad, so that narrative won't cut it here.

James40 · Post #1464 » by **James40** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:34 pm

sixers hoops wrote:
Wilfried wrote:
nurseryc wrote:Next season we will have the two most up and coming exciting stars in the league 100% healthy

How long are we saying this already. I'm really not sure anymore.

I don't think Simmons foot problem presents major long term concerns. Historically, these injuries heal and aren't reoccurring.

Embiid's foot is holding up so far; however, considering that he has only played 31 games in 3 years due to stress fractures in the back, broken foot, torn meniscus, and a hyperextended knee is a concern. Fortunately, aside from the foot, the other injuries are not major long term concerns.

I think if Embiid and Simmons play 60+ games then we will likely make the playoffs.

I agree, but if Simmons needs another surgery, hopefully they do it ASAP and not wait till June or July.
Same for Embiid, if he needs something done then do it quickly.

Post #1465 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:35 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
jrob23 wrote:So if the team is keeping Ben out because they want to tank...why are they going out and winning? Time to accept it, your boy Ben wanted this. The injury excuse is just cover for it. You fans deserve better.

This is what i've been saying all the time, you are correct, Simmons plan was clear from the beginning, to not play this season so he can be ROY next year, but this would make Simmons look bad, so that narrative won't cut it here.

I honestly wouldn't put anything passed his management team. I'm sure Ben is eager to play but his team is trying to build his legacy, starting with a rookie of the year. If that is the case, I'm sure Colangelo has no problem lying for him.

This season was shot anyway once Embiid missed February.

Post #1466 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:39 pm

James40 wrote:
sixers hoops wrote:
Wilfried wrote:
How long are we saying this already. I'm really not sure anymore.

I don't think Simmons foot problem presents major long term concerns. Historically, these injuries heal and aren't reoccurring.

Embiid's foot is holding up so far; however, considering that he has only played 31 games in 3 years due to stress fractures in the back, broken foot, torn meniscus, and a hyperextended knee is a concern. Fortunately, aside from the foot, the other injuries are not major long term concerns.

I think if Embiid and Simmons play 60+ games then we will likely make the playoffs.

I agree, but if Simmons needs another surgery, hopefully they do it ASAP and not wait till June or July.
Same for Embiid, if he needs something done then do it quickly.

Exactly. If they want to make a major leap to the playoffs, they need to hit the ground running. Not limp into the season with their stars missing early time.

Ericb5 · Post #1467 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:38 pm

kingofthecourt67 wrote:At what time do we start looking at canning the team physicians? Literally nobody ever heals on schedule. I don't think the abhorrently incompetent PR department can take 100% of the blame.

Healing on schedule isn't really within the power of the medical staff. It's preventing recurrences of the same injuries, or ancillary injuries that are much more controllable.

You can't make a bone heal faster ultimately.

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Ericb5 · Post #1468 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:39 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
kingofthecourt67 wrote:At what time do we start looking at canning the team physicians? Literally nobody ever heals on schedule. I don't think the abhorrently incompetent PR department can take 100% of the blame.

Should have been immediately after the Bynum fiasco.

And as you know the entire staff is different than what it was then.

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Ericb5 · Post #1469 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:41 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:The reporters failed today in asking questions about Simmons. They allowed wiggle room for BC. How could no one have asked and clarified if Simmons had another fracture or not? When BC said it didn't heal yet why not a follow up and ask if there was a new injury?

At least Pompey was there to ask about Splitter and Bogut. Lol

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Unbreakable99 · Post #1470 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:46 pm

I want Simmons to play in Summer League. He should be more than healthy to play. I just want to see him. His teammates say how great he looked in practice before the season. I remember Saric saying ow big and strong he was and he was glowing about him. He made simmons seem like on another level of a player than he was and I hope he's right. Embiid said he was the best player just recently. Those things mean a lot. I just want to see it. Just play in summer league please. I'd love to see him and at least 1 other lottery pick and maybe 2 if we're lucky.

Mik317 · Post #1471 » by **Mik317** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:28 pm

they probably will make him get the screw in his foot ala Durant

Ericb5 · Post #1472 » by **Ericb5** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:41 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:I want Simmons to play in Summer League. He should be more than healthy to play. I just want to see him. His teammates say how great he looked in practice before the season. I remember Saric saying ow big and strong he was and he was glowing about him. He made simmons seem like on another level of a player than he was and I hope he's right. Embiid said he was the best player just recently. Those things mean a lot. I just want to see it. Just play in summer league please. I'd love to see him and at least 1 other lottery pick and maybe 2 if we're lucky.

I surely WANT to see him in the summer league, but I can't think of an advantage to him or the team to have him play in summer league.

He's too good for summer league anyway.

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HotelVitale · Post #1473 » by **HotelVitale** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:50 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
jrob23 wrote:So if the team is keeping Ben out because they want to tank...why are they going out and winning? Time to accept it, your boy Ben wanted this. The injury excuse is just cover for it. You fans deserve better.
This is what i've been saying all the time, you are correct, Simmons plan was clear from the beginning, to not play this season so he can be ROY next year, but this would make Simmons look bad, so that narrative won't cut it here.

Come on, fellas, that just makes no sense: everyone, from the team's PR director to Simmons himself, has a reason to want Simmons to play at least a little bit this season. The team needs the boost with Embiid down, the staff needs to see his fit with other players, the fans are dying to see him play, and the FO needs a big bump after the Noel trade. And at this stage of the season Simmons could make headlines now with his passing and highlights, more so than at the beginning of next year when there will be a billion other storylines going.

Your take would also be so much more complicated to pull off--it would require a conspiracy between Simmons, his agent, the coaching staff, the front office, and the medical staff, with none of those 40 or 50 people saying a peep about it. You really think that's more likely than Simmons just healing poorly and the FO giving the media optimistic reports so people stay excited about the Sixers? (If you do believe that, I would ask what's motivating you to choose to believe the crazy conspiracy theory over the face value story, when neither is more plausible given the facts we know for sure.)

Unbreakable99 · Post #1474 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:12 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:I want Simmons to play in Summer League. He should be more than healthy to play. I just want to see him. His teammates say how great he looked in practice before the season. I remember Saric saying ow big and strong he was and he was glowing about him. He made simmons seem like on another level of a player than he was and I hope he's right. Embiid said he was the best player just recently. Those things mean a lot. I just want to see it. Just play in summer league please. I'd love to see him and at least 1 other lottery pick and maybe 2 if we're lucky.

I surely WANT to see him in the summer league, but I can't think of an advantage to him or the team to have him play in summer league.

He's too good for summer league anyway.

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Every rookie does summer league. Even LeBron did it. Ben isn't too good for summer league. And why wouldn't it be an advantage to him or the team? Sitting a healthy player benefits no one.

oddwolfhooligan · Post #1475 » by **oddwolfhooligan** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:14 pm

jrob23 wrote:So if the team is keeping Ben out because they want to tank...why are they going out and winning? Time to accept it, your boy Ben wanted this. The injury excuse is just cover for it. You fans deserve better.

I think you're misunderstanding how tanking is executed. You make it sound like we can't be tanking because our head coach and players aren't actively trying to lose basketball games. That's not how it works. If you look at what our FO has been doing, rather than our team, it's incredibly obvious that they aren't trying to maximize our record this season.

As for the Simmons situation, with how little information/hard evidence you have, forming any kind of hard opinion on the subject is foolish. It's plausible that you're right, but it's also 100% plausible that Simmons re-aggravated the injury, especially when you look at our medical staff's history of incompetence(not to mention that Simmons specific injury can be a complicated one to heal). Maybe you should take a deep breath and put down the pitchfork? Let this thing play out a bit before you declare it a conspiracy?

Also, gtfo with that "I'm his biggest supporter" BS. When you truly support someone, you don't just turn on them so easily without a shred of evidence.

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snoopdogg88 · Post #1476 » by **snoopdogg88** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:17 pm

i've done research and I've literally not found a single pro athlete who needed over 6 months to recover from a Jones Fracture
especially one who didn't rush back and was put through the most cautious rehab program whatsoever as the Sixers like to claim

this whole thing is very suspicious

Post #1477 » by **kingofthecourt67** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:22 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
kingofthecourt67 wrote:At what time do we start looking at canning the team physicians? Literally nobody ever heals on schedule. I don't think the abhorrently incompetent PR department can take 100% of the blame.

Healing on schedule isn't really within the power of the medical staff. It's preventing recurrences of the same injuries, or ancillary injuries that are much more controllable.

You can't make a bone heal faster ultimately.

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Right. Nobody is saying we're talking about the rate of bone healing. When guys are missing their expected recovery times by many months, it's a sign that it's not a rate of recovery of tissue thing. Okafor had a knee injury about a year ago that should have LONG been cured, yet he continues to have knee soreness.

What sort of medical staff okays Embiid to play in that Houston game when there is a clear timetable for healing and they know the types of stress he puts on his lower limbs from his body frame, explosive movements, and sometimes awkward landing? That is not okay? Allowing Bayless to come back is also highly questionable considering A) it's pretty easy to take contact on your wrist in basketball, B) he looked highly uncomfortable when playing, C)the injury was serious enough that surgery required him to miss the whole season. A lot of things don't add up as to why he played in those couple of games.

In the case of Simmons, we all know the typical return time from his type of injury, so either they are sitting him to tank or they are hiding a reinjury. Speaking of reinjury there was his whole Embiid reinjury debacle...and that came out shortly after there is video of him doing through the leg dunks in warm ups. Clearly something was off as to how they handled his first treatment.

eagereyez · Post #1478 » by **eagereyez** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:53 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:I want Simmons to play in Summer League. He should be more than healthy to play. I just want to see him. His teammates say how great he looked in practice before the season. I remember Saric saying ow big and strong he was and he was glowing about him. He made simmons seem like on another level of a player than he was and I hope he's right. Embiid said he was the best player just recently. Those things mean a lot. I just want to see it. Just play in summer league please. I'd love to see him and at least 1 other lottery pick and maybe 2 if we're lucky.

I surely WANT to see him in the summer league, but I can't think of an advantage to him or the team to have him play in summer league.

He's too good for summer league anyway.

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Every rookie does summer league. Even LeBron did it. Ben isn't too good for summer league. And why wouldn't it be an advantage to him or the team? Sitting a healthy player benefits no one.

Embiid didn't play in summer league.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1479 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:56 pm

eagereyez wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
I surely WANT to see him in the summer league, but I can't think of an advantage to him or the team to have him play in summer league.

He's too good for summer league anyway.

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Every rookie does summer league. Even LeBron did it. Ben isn't too good for summer league. And why wouldn't it be an advantage to him or the team? Sitting a healthy player benefits no one.

Embiid didn't play in summer league.

Because he was hurt. Simmons will be healthy. Big difference. And also Embiid's injury was much more severe and career threatening. Simmons' injury is not career threatening and he will be healthy soon. He needs to play in summer league.

eagereyez · Post #1480 » by **eagereyez** » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:08 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
eagereyez wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
Every rookie does summer league. Even LeBron did it. Ben isn't too good for summer league. And why wouldn't it be an advantage to him or the team? Sitting a healthy player benefits no one.

Embiid didn't play in summer league.

Because he was hurt. Simmons will be healthy. Big difference. And also Embiid's injury was much more severe and career threatening. Simmons' injury is not career threatening and he will be healthy soon. He needs to play in summer league.

I'm anticipating that Simmons will need a second surgery. Something went wrong if he's not "fully healed" by now. Last time they used that phrase was when Embiid re-opened his fracture.