2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread Volume 2

[LloydFree]

Yeah, but why do we have to sign all the guys with the crazy parents? We already have a lot of problems, we don't need more

And I really hope we can pick Jackson or Fultz with the No1 Pick (Adam-the-rat owes us). Jackson and RoCo defending the perimeter while Biid protects the rim is like the best thing I can think of.

I don't see where we have all of these crazy parents, outside of KJ McDaniel's mom (who understandably didn't realize her son was garbage). Embiid's parents are fine, Simmons' parents are fine. I don't even see Okafor's dad as "crazy". He has reacted the way many parents would react if they felt their son was being attacked.

[Ericb5]

Dennis Smith also loves to pound the rock. Not a good fit with our offensive system. A guy like Ball who keeps the ball moving is a much better fit.

Well nobody is arguing that Smith should be taken over Ball. I mean, where have you seen that argument?

It isn't fit that is the issue. It is talent. Ball is a better player.


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[sixers23]

Dennis Smith also loves to pound the rock. Not a good fit with our offensive system. A guy like Ball who keeps the ball moving is a much better fit.

Well nobody is arguing that Smith should be taken over Ball. I mean, where have you seen that argument?

It isn't fit that is the issue. It is talent. Ball is a better player.


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maybe not for the sixers but i do have smith over ball overall

[kriss73]

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FWIW, it's an interesting and informed opinion.

[Kobblehead]

Judging from the very little I've seen of him, he's about as much as a PG as Victor Oladipo was (not much of one at all). He better gain 35+ pounds because he's going to have to play SG in the NBA, in my opinion.

[LloydFree]

Judging from the very little I've seen of him, he's about as much as a PG as Victor Oladipo was (not much of one at all). He better gain 35+ pounds because he's going to have to play SG in the NBA, in my opinion.

This. I would love to know what kind of NBA executive thinks this guy is the 3rd or 4th best PG prospect in this draft. Can you imagine what would happen if he actually had a private workout against DeAaron Fox or Bruce Brown?

[sixers hoops]

Stop being silly. We go through this every season and it's the same silly reaction because nearly every top college player would rather play in Los Angeles, for the Lakers, than anybody else. Embiid, Okafor, Simmons... all of them wanted to play in Los Angeles and didn't hide it. Now we gonna go through this silly indignation again, because of something a guy's father said 5 months before the draft?

People are so funny with this stuff. Ball will play for the team that drafts him.

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Lol. This guy makes up more vague crap than anyone in the league.

[phiphan]

Maybe people misperceive him as a PG because he's forced to be a creator as the most explosive/best ball handler on those French national teams. For me, his explosion is not good by NBA standards and his handle rudimentary for a PG, but decent for a slashing wing. Hard to see him being effective as a facilitator in the NBA.

Leaving position aside, I could see teams viewing his path to offensive usefulness as easier than say Fox's, who is a very poor shooter. I think Ntilikina's only path to offensive dominance is excellent shooting though.

[sixers hoops]

You never EVER let where a player wants to go dictate if you select him or not. That's how a coward drafts. Gotta be alpha and take a player, and tell him you're gonna play for us and you're gonna **** like it.

yeah just like Hinkie did with Krista-.....

I'd rather have Malik Monk than Lonzo Ball tbh.

Guys I'd be cool with drafting: Fultz, Monk, Isaac

indifferent: Josh Jackson, Lauri Markkanen

do not want: Jayson Tatum, Lonzo Ball, Dennis Smith Jr

Haha. Hinkie didn't pass on KP because he was scared he wouldn't play here. Every player plays for the team that drafts them and so would Porzingis. Hinkie passed on Porzingis because he either valued Okafor more, or according to a few reports was overruled by management.

Every GM knows that the player they draft will play for their team. The players have no leverage other than voicing their opinions and refusing workouts. That's not going to prevent any GM from selecting the player they deem best. It's silly.

[HankTheTank]

If I could ask Sam Hinkie 3 questions, one would be about the Porzingis rumor that he was overruled...

I brought up Bill Walton earlier, did anyone hear Walton discussing the WSJ article about his son making $1Billion last year during the Kansas game? For as much of a creepy hippy he is, his kids are incredibly successful.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/from-hardwood-to-wall-street-a-hoops-legends-son-slam-dunks-an-oil-deal-1487327404?mod=e2fb

[sixers23]

Judging from the very little I've seen of him, he's about as much as a PG as Victor Oladipo was (not much of one at all). He better gain 35+ pounds because he's going to have to play SG in the NBA, in my opinion.

This. I would love to know what kind of NBA executive thinks this guy is the 3rd or 4th best PG prospect in this draft. Can you imagine what would happen if he actually had a private workout against DeAaron Fox or Bruce Brown?

Yea he would show them up

[Unbreakable99]

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Lol. This guy makes up more vague crap than anyone in the league.

Yeah. Before the 15 draft he was hyping Okafor up as some sort of generational talent and said he was better than Embiid and Towns lol. He has a hard on for Okafor. Just look at these tweets.

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[kriss73]

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FWIW, it's an interesting and informed opinion.

Lol. This guy makes up more vague crap than anyone in the league.

Yeah. Before the 15 draft he was hyping Okafor up as some sort of generational talent and said he was better than Embiid and Towns lol. He has a hard on for Okafor. Just look at these tweets.

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His opinions are trash.
But point is he is reporting the opinions of some scouts.
And I bet he is more connected with the League the most of us.
That's why I reported these tweets.

[sixers hoops]

Lol. This guy makes up more vague crap than anyone in the league.

Yeah. Before the 15 draft he was hyping Okafor up as some sort of generational talent and said he was better than Embiid and Towns lol. He has a hard on for Okafor. Just look at these tweets.

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His opinions are trash.
But point is he is reporting the opinions of some scouts.
And I bet he is more connected with the League the most of us.
That's why I reported these tweets.

I am glad you reported them because I think people here are interested. However, I don't think they are the opinion of scouts. I think he just makes this stuff up to appear he has these contacts.

After following him for years, I've come to the opinion that he either has horrible contacts or just flatout makes stuff up. If what he is reporting isn't a regurgitation of a Stein, Aldridge, or Woj story, then it's likely not good info.

[Negrodamus]

Even though I still have questions about his three ball, I think I like Bruce Brown over any of the top PG (Ball, Smith, Fultz) based on how elite his defense has been along with his ability to create. I think I brought him up first, but he's really starting to shoot up the board now that the team has conceded that he's their best playmaker.

[LloydFree]

Even though I still have questions about his three ball, I think I like Bruce Brown over any of the top PG (Ball, Smith, Fultz) based on how elite his defense has been along with his ability to create. I think I brought him up first, but he's really starting to shoot up the board now that the team has conceded that he's their best playmaker.

Yeah, I think you brought him up first, over a month ago. Good call. He's ranked as a 2nd rounder, but I wouldn't bat an eye if someone picked him in the top 10.

[cksdayoff]

Donovan Mitchell causing havoc on defense and draining 3s on offense

[Negrodamus]

Even though I still have questions about his three ball, I think I like Bruce Brown over any of the top PG (Ball, Smith, Fultz) based on how elite his defense has been along with his ability to create. I think I brought him up first, but he's really starting to shoot up the board now that the team has conceded that he's their best playmaker.

Yeah, I think you brought him up first, over a month ago. Good call. He's ranked as a 2nd rounder, but I wouldn't bat an eye if someone picked him in the top 10.

Ha, thanks. Yea, he was a 20s pick for me early on due to size and defense, not to mention that triple double that kinda put him on the map. I was just pointing out that I was intrigued by him when I first pointed him out, and now he's a stud worthy of a top ten pick.

[Negrodamus]

Donovan Mitchell causing havoc on defense and draining 3s on offense

Similar to Brown. He's going to be a top 10 pick as well by seasons end.