Randy Foye and Luis Scola, why are they still on this roster?

[Jkim18]

To start off, most Nets fan recognize this team as a rebuilding franchise filled with many young players. Of course, in a rebuilding team, it is certainly important to have some sort of veteran presence. For example, Philadelphia has had guys like Jason Richardson and Elton Brand. But with players like Brook Lopez, Jeremy Lin, and Trevor Booker, three vets are quite enough on a rebuilding team.

We have no place for Foye and Scola on our roster; it is also quite appalling to see that Foye continues to get close to 20 MPG. IMO, that's Kenny's biggest downfall, which is his stubbornness with giving Randy Foye minutes. As for Scola, there are games where he does not play at all but the fact that he still manages to play on average 13 minutes per game is 13 minutes too much.

It is apparent that Foye and Scola give no contribution on the court. So the argument to keep them on would be to provide a veteran presence in a locker room. No offense to those two, but they haven't exactly had great careers. They both topped out as a reliable role player for their respective teams. So it's not like they've had such a fulfilling career where they provide all this wisdom to the young'ins.

The Nets are a rebuilding team that is currently "trying out" players to see if they are gonna be a part of the process going forward; we are by no means giving Foye and Scola a tryout, we are providing them a spot on the roster as it is seemingly inevitable that their respective careers are to end soon. That's not what we need. Marks and his brain trust should cut the two players and scout the D-League in search of guys who should get a cup of coffee in March/April.

[shakendfries]

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[Jkim18]

I would bet all my money that Randy Foye and Luis Scola do not have that impact on ANY young player on this team.

You have to read my entire post before commenting with just videos in an attempt to discredit my perfectly valid post. Because I already covered the point of needing veteran presence on a young team, in fact, it was a big part of the post.

I think the fact that I erroneously predicted 23 wins at the conclusion of the season has caused most posters to put zero value in my perspective, which is unfortunate.

Do I have to summon Rainyy to prove that I'm a competent, informed Nets fan? Lol

[MrDollarBills]

To start off, most Nets fan recognize this team as a rebuilding franchise filled with many young players. Of course, in a rebuilding team, it is certainly important to have some sort of veteran presence. For example, Philadelphia has had guys like Jason Richardson and Elton Brand. But with players like Brook Lopez, Jeremy Lin, and Trevor Booker, three vets are quite enough on a rebuilding team.

We have no place for Foye and Scola on our roster; it is also quite appalling to see that Foye continues to get close to 20 MPG. IMO, that's Kenny's biggest downfall, which is his stubbornness with giving Randy Foye minutes. As for Scola, there are games where he does not play at all but the fact that he still manages to play on average 13 minutes per game is 13 minutes too much.

It is apparent that Foye and Scola give no contribution on the court. So the argument to keep them on would be to provide a veteran presence in a locker room. No offense to those two, but they haven't exactly had great careers. They both topped out as a reliable role player for their respective teams. So it's not like they've had such a fulfilling career where they provide all this wisdom to the young'ins.

The Nets are a rebuilding team that is currently "trying out" players to see if they are gonna be a part of the process going forward; we are by no means giving Foye and Scola a tryout, we are providing them a spot on the roster as it is seemingly inevitable that their respective careers are to end soon. That's not what we need. Marks and his brain trust should cut the two players and scout the D-League in search of guys who should get a cup of coffee in March/April.

Do you know what goes on inside of that locker room? Because you talk like you do. You don't know what advice and help these guys are giving to the younger guys. RHJ credited Scola from the first week for setting an example about taking working out seriously.

And if you want to be real about it, Lin hasn't really had a great career to the point where he'd be able to provide wisdom to any young players based on your criteria either, so you sound like a hypocrite.

Also, there is no prerequisite that an NBA veteran has to have been a former all star in order to help the younger players. I think they both suck and neither of them need to play, but you really don't have any legs to stand on by saying any of this.

[bws94]

I like having Scola. As Bill said, maybe he's doing a lot in terms of mentoring the young players. And maybe he does a lot in practice. As for Foye, he makes some good plays, some dumb ones. But, with Lin's injuries and the inexperience at PG, though Dinwiddie is improving, Foye as a 1 or 2 with some knowledge of how to run a team, is insurance and a degree of stability on the team.

[Keith Van Horn]

Scola isn't getting any minutes, so not a big deal. If he's mentoring and challenging the bigs in practice then keep him around.

Foye on the other hand is just a product of the roster. Kilpatrick isn't starting material but should be used as a spark plug off the bench. Lin is just coming back into form. Don't think Levert is really ready for full-time starter role yet. Don't think Harris has done enough to warrant the starting job. KJ Mcdaniels, who knows. It's just a matter of him being needed. I agree his minutes could probably be cut but what difference does it make as long as the young guys are still getting play time and developing their game?

This year means literally nothing outside of developing the young guys and stockpiling assets. Don't want to overwork them and stunt their growth, b/c sometimes too many minutes can be a bad thing in a few regards.

[chrbal]

Aren't they both expiring contracts this year. Foye is need to play each day, Scola goes multiple games without seeing the floor and then will randomly play 25 minutes in one game before going back to his normal role. They are not really taking away from anyone and there are no real good replacements out on the market.

Jared Sullinger is about the only guy that makes any sense to add to the Nets and its by no means perfect.

[jbeachboy]

they should be gone by end of year, if they get another contract , then sean marks has explaining to do.

[Jkim18]

To start off, most Nets fan recognize this team as a rebuilding franchise filled with many young players. Of course, in a rebuilding team, it is certainly important to have some sort of veteran presence. For example, Philadelphia has had guys like Jason Richardson and Elton Brand. But with players like Brook Lopez, Jeremy Lin, and Trevor Booker, three vets are quite enough on a rebuilding team.

We have no place for Foye and Scola on our roster; it is also quite appalling to see that Foye continues to get close to 20 MPG. IMO, that's Kenny's biggest downfall, which is his stubbornness with giving Randy Foye minutes. As for Scola, there are games where he does not play at all but the fact that he still manages to play on average 13 minutes per game is 13 minutes too much.

It is apparent that Foye and Scola give no contribution on the court. So the argument to keep them on would be to provide a veteran presence in a locker room. No offense to those two, but they haven't exactly had great careers. They both topped out as a reliable role player for their respective teams. So it's not like they've had such a fulfilling career where they provide all this wisdom to the young'ins.

The Nets are a rebuilding team that is currently "trying out" players to see if they are gonna be a part of the process going forward; we are by no means giving Foye and Scola a tryout, we are providing them a spot on the roster as it is seemingly inevitable that their respective careers are to end soon. That's not what we need. Marks and his brain trust should cut the two players and scout the D-League in search of guys who should get a cup of coffee in March/April.

Do you know what goes on inside of that locker room? Because you talk like you do. You don't know what advice and help these guys are giving to the younger guys. RHJ credited Scola from the first week for setting an example about taking working out seriously.

And if you want to be real about it, Lin hasn't really had a great career to the point where he'd be able to provide wisdom to any young players based on your criteria either, so you sound like a hypocrite.

Also, there is no prerequisite that an NBA veteran has to have been a former all star in order to help the younger players. I think they both suck and neither of them need to play, but you really don't have any legs to stand on by saying any of this.

Lin is in his late 20s, he's not on the downside of his career like Foye. He has a few more years as a good role player/borderline starter. Not a strong argument in your attempt to discredit my assertion.

Just because you don't know what goes on in the locker room, doesn't mean it's going good.

[Jkim18]

Aren't they both expiring contracts this year. Foye is need to play each day, Scola goes multiple games without seeing the floor and then will randomly play 25 minutes in one game before going back to his normal role. They are not really taking away from anyone and there are no real good replacements out on the market.

Jared Sullinger is about the only guy that makes any sense to add to the Nets and its by no means perfect.

Yeah, I guess the main rationalization would be that there's no one else to give these minutes to. But at the same time, I'd rather sign two d-league guys to 10-day contracts and give them a look. We are in year 1 of a long term rebuild (before another poster tries to nitpick and flip out, let me clarify that I say 'year 1' because this is Marks first year) and it's better that we don't have too many vets on the downside of their career.

[MrDollarBills]

To start off, most Nets fan recognize this team as a rebuilding franchise filled with many young players. Of course, in a rebuilding team, it is certainly important to have some sort of veteran presence. For example, Philadelphia has had guys like Jason Richardson and Elton Brand. But with players like Brook Lopez, Jeremy Lin, and Trevor Booker, three vets are quite enough on a rebuilding team.

We have no place for Foye and Scola on our roster; it is also quite appalling to see that Foye continues to get close to 20 MPG. IMO, that's Kenny's biggest downfall, which is his stubbornness with giving Randy Foye minutes. As for Scola, there are games where he does not play at all but the fact that he still manages to play on average 13 minutes per game is 13 minutes too much.

It is apparent that Foye and Scola give no contribution on the court. So the argument to keep them on would be to provide a veteran presence in a locker room. No offense to those two, but they haven't exactly had great careers. They both topped out as a reliable role player for their respective teams. So it's not like they've had such a fulfilling career where they provide all this wisdom to the young'ins.

The Nets are a rebuilding team that is currently "trying out" players to see if they are gonna be a part of the process going forward; we are by no means giving Foye and Scola a tryout, we are providing them a spot on the roster as it is seemingly inevitable that their respective careers are to end soon. That's not what we need. Marks and his brain trust should cut the two players and scout the D-League in search of guys who should get a cup of coffee in March/April.

Do you know what goes on inside of that locker room? Because you talk like you do. You don't know what advice and help these guys are giving to the younger guys. RHJ credited Scola from the first week for setting an example about taking working out seriously.

And if you want to be real about it, Lin hasn't really had a great career to the point where he'd be able to provide wisdom to any young players based on your criteria either, so you sound like a hypocrite.

Also, there is no prerequisite that an NBA veteran has to have been a former all star in order to help the younger players. I think they both suck and neither of them need to play, but you really don't have any legs to stand on by saying any of this.

Lin is in his late 20s, he's not on the downside of his career like Foye. He has a few more years as a good role player/borderline starter. Not a strong argument in your attempt to discredit my assertion.

Just because you don't know what goes on in the locker room, doesn't mean it's going good.

Your assertion was trash to begin with because you tried to use career trajectory as some kind of measure for how much a veteran can help a younger player and then bring up Lin, Lopez, and Booker as examples of good veteran presence, which is hilarious. Scola is more accomplished in his career than any of those three. But that really has nothing to do with anything, Tyrone Lue was respected as a veteran player for years and he was an end of the bench guy. It was just a really bad criteria to judge anyone on, period.

And since you're bragging about your insider access since you saw Sergey Karasev sucking down some Parliaments in Bergen County, break it down for us how things are going in the locker room with Scola and Foye.

[Jkim18]

MDB:

No, I simply think you may have some spite against me from the past and this is your opportunity to come out on top considering that I put myself at a huge disadvantage on here by saying '23-59'. You didn't have to jump in and nitpick like several other posters. Even if you don't really like what someone has to say, it's just better to not respond instead of getting worked up on the internet and exhibiting spite.

You took my comment regarding career trajectory totally out of context, and it was because of your spite and bias against me. Anyway, Lopez, Lin, and Booker are all under 30 (Booker turns 30 early next season) and they all start for this team; they are in the part of their career where they can still impact a team, do you dispute that?

I thought I had covered pretty much every possible rebuttal in the first post but I'll go more in-depth. Randy Foye is playing absolutely horribly right now: he still averages 19 MPG in spite of the fact that his PER is 6.66, his FG percentage is 37 %, and that his 3 point percentage is lower than his career average (33% to close to 37%). Usually, a player who has fallen off that far from his prime (I mean, Foye's best season was actually EARLIER in his career, his third season which was with Minnesota) that is still in the NBA has had some type of valuable experience to be a good veteran presence on a young team. As for his character in the locker room, I cannot attest to that other than I hear he's a nice guy... he's actually someone I favor because he's from Newark. But I'm also frustrated that he's getting playing time and as a result I express that I want him cut.

As for Scola, I clarified that he doesn't play much. But even with the several DNPs, when he gets onto the court, he's a huge negative that is a black hole on defense. Do you dispute that as well? My main argument was that I prefer using the two roster spots on unproven D-Leaguers... if you disagree with that, then cool, but I'd like you to provide a reason so we can have a cordial discussion.

Finally, regarding Karasev's cigarette smoking... I don't brag about things like that because I do know a solid amount of NJ/NYC area celebrities (some being NBA players) and it's a bad look talking about these things (I've already said too much), I brought up a few examples up just to show that I'm not just some newbie spitting out BS for the sake of spitting out BS. But to answer you about Scola and Foye... I don't know.. they aren't cancers, but I see them in a lesser regard than someone like Jerry Stackhouse was for us in 2012-2013, who had a better career and has more of a coach's mentality. Tyronn Lue... he was on championship teams with future HOFs... Foye wasn't really anyone special, and Scola's best years were in Houston (in his rookie season, he played with Tracy McGrady, where it was the last season he [T-Mac] ever averaged more than 20 PPG).

I still stand by my assertion that I would prefer Foye and Scola cut.

[MrDollarBills]

Spite and bias? i challenged your opinion about what makes a veteran credible enough to help and mentor young guys on being a professional, it has nothing to do with you personally. You've taken this into left field...I don't give one good god damn about "23-59" or whatever else. Your criteria is bogus to me, and Lopez, Lin and Booker haven't had careers that move the needle in the slightest, and itdoesn't matter if they are better on court or not when it comes to being a good veteran presence.

Let's just agree to disagree. Both players suck at this point of their careers, we can agree on that.

[Jkim18]

Spite and bias? i challenged your opinion about what makes a veteran credible enough to help and mentor young guys on being a professional, it has nothing to do with you personally. You've taken this into left field...I don't give one good god damn about "23-59" or whatever else. Your criteria is bogus to me, and Lopez, Lin and Booker haven't had careers that move the needle in the slightest, and itdoesn't matter if they are better on court or not when it comes to being a good veteran presence.

Let's just agree to disagree. Both players suck at this point of their careers, we can agree on that.

Sure, I don't think it's farfetched to believe that the two players mentor younger players on how to be a professional. I suppose I was putting things strongly and going too deep saying that they aren't good mentors. So it is understandable that you thought it was like that. A better way of putting it would have been "In spite of what Foye and Scola may offer in the locker room, their poor play on the court is grounds for them to be cut". I was undermining that potential impact they may have had on the young guys for reasons such as: we suck, they aren't exactly champions, and they are a negative on the court. I just don't know if we can judge Lopez, Lin, and Booker because they are in different stages of their career...... and finally, part of the reason why I made the original post was because I believe that Scola and Foye would be out of the NBA if it weren't for us.

[shakendfries]

Well, I guess the easy answer is these were the only vets available? Championship/All-Star NBA vets don't exactly grow on trees. Being a veteran, whether it's Foye, Jameer Nelson, or Andre Miller is generally a positive nonetheless. Marks isn't just going to cut vets to sign some random scrubs who will probably be playing overseas to some 10 days. That would be in poor taste to guys that were explicitly brought on to be the veteran presence for the team. It would look bad on the organization to simply turn their backs on these guys when it was known that they were past their primes when they were brought here.

If you're interested in getting better vets next season, pay attention to the Chris Paul situation this offseason. Aside from the obvious intrigue fans have in Paul going to San Antonio, Poppovich recently came out and advised their rookie PG Dejaunte Murray to study the game of Chris Paul (showing Pop's affinity for the seasoned PG). Even with Manu likely retiring after this season, San Antonio will struggle to make cap room while juggling Pau Gasol's player option + Jonathan Simmons & Patty Mills' free agency. If Parker has to be moved to make some space for Paul, don't be surprised if RC Buford gives Sean Marks a call. Parker might be in the twilight of his career but I'd be stoked to have him anchoring the competition among the guard crop in Nets practices.

[Jkim18]

Well, I guess the easy answer is these were the only vets available? Championship/All-Star NBA vets don't exactly grow on trees. Being a veteran, whether it's Foye, Jameer Nelson, or Andre Miller is generally a positive nonetheless. Marks isn't just going to cut vets to sign some random scrubs who will probably be playing overseas to some 10 days. That would be in poor taste to guys that were explicitly brought on to be the veteran presence for the team. It would look bad on the organization to simply turn their backs on these guys when it was known that they were past their primes when they were brought here.

If you're interested in getting better vets next season, pay attention to the Chris Paul situation this offseason. Aside from the obvious intrigue fans have in Paul going to San Antonio, Poppovich recently came out and advised their rookie PG Dejaunte Murray to study the game of Chris Paul (showing Pop's affinity for the seasoned PG). Even with Manu likely retiring after this season, San Antonio will struggle to make cap room while juggling Pau Gasol's player option + Jonathan Simmons & Patty Mills' free agency. If Parker has to be moved to make some space for Paul, don't be surprised if RC Buford gives Sean Marks a call. Parker might be in the twilight of his career but I'd be stoked to have him anchoring the competition among the guard crop in Nets practices.

Excellent points. Perhaps the more valid argument would have been about Foye's playing time, rather than his spot on the roster. It seemed like the more logical answer to say: "yeah well, why waste two roster spots on guys who are about to be out of the league when we can look for diamonds in the rough with D-Leaguers" but upon further thinking, the chances of a D-leaguer becoming a solid NBA player is quite low (albeit not impossible).

As for the prospect of Parker coming to the Nets, that is something! Next season would be his last under contract. I would be very pleased with him on the team as well, as he would likely be the leader of the team, even if he does not start. The only issue would be that if Parker expressed not wanting to come to Brooklyn, I can't see San Antonio's front office doing that to him.

[MrDollarBills]

Well, I guess the easy answer is these were the only vets available? Championship/All-Star NBA vets don't exactly grow on trees. Being a veteran, whether it's Foye, Jameer Nelson, or Andre Miller is generally a positive nonetheless. Marks isn't just going to cut vets to sign some random scrubs who will probably be playing overseas to some 10 days. That would be in poor taste to guys that were explicitly brought on to be the veteran presence for the team. It would look bad on the organization to simply turn their backs on these guys when it was known that they were past their primes when they were brought here.

If you're interested in getting better vets next season, pay attention to the Chris Paul situation this offseason. Aside from the obvious intrigue fans have in Paul going to San Antonio, Poppovich recently came out and advised their rookie PG Dejaunte Murray to study the game of Chris Paul (showing Pop's affinity for the seasoned PG). Even with Manu likely retiring after this season, San Antonio will struggle to make cap room while juggling Pau Gasol's player option + Jonathan Simmons & Patty Mills' free agency. If Parker has to be moved to make some space for Paul, don't be surprised if RC Buford gives Sean Marks a call. Parker might be in the twilight of his career but I'd be stoked to have him anchoring the competition among the guard crop in Nets practices.

He'd be a WELCOME addition to this locker room. I've always respected Parker, as long as he isn't banging a teammate's girlfriend or wife of course.

[Prokorov]

To start off, most Nets fan recognize this team as a rebuilding franchise filled with many young players. Of course, in a rebuilding team, it is certainly important to have some sort of veteran presence. For example, Philadelphia has had guys like Jason Richardson and Elton Brand. But with players like Brook Lopez, Jeremy Lin, and Trevor Booker, three vets are quite enough on a rebuilding team.

We have no place for Foye and Scola on our roster; it is also quite appalling to see that Foye continues to get close to 20 MPG. IMO, that's Kenny's biggest downfall, which is his stubbornness with giving Randy Foye minutes. As for Scola, there are games where he does not play at all but the fact that he still manages to play on average 13 minutes per game is 13 minutes too much.

It is apparent that Foye and Scola give no contribution on the court. So the argument to keep them on would be to provide a veteran presence in a locker room. No offense to those two, but they haven't exactly had great careers. They both topped out as a reliable role player for their respective teams. So it's not like they've had such a fulfilling career where they provide all this wisdom to the young'ins.

The Nets are a rebuilding team that is currently "trying out" players to see if they are gonna be a part of the process going forward; we are by no means giving Foye and Scola a tryout, we are providing them a spot on the roster as it is seemingly inevitable that their respective careers are to end soon. That's not what we need. Marks and his brain trust should cut the two players and scout the D-League in search of guys who should get a cup of coffee in March/April.

Lopez isnt a leader. him being a vet helps no one... and frankly as a guy content with losing and who isnt driven to be great, he probably is the best mentr.

Foye and Scola were never great, but its important to have good people around your young guys who do things the right way. and thats not just basketball related stuff. you want guys who are responsible, involved in the community, good with money, good family men, etc. that goes a long way. marks said scola was one of the most important pieces to this puzzle. im assuming for that very reason.

no dleague player will provide more then what scola does right now. especially since winning doesnt matter much at this stage

[Prokorov]

I would bet all my money that Randy Foye and Luis Scola do not have that impact on ANY young player on this team.

You have to read my entire post before commenting with just videos in an attempt to discredit my perfectly valid post. Because I already covered the point of needing veteran presence on a young team, in fact, it was a big part of the post.

I think the fact that I erroneously predicted 23 wins at the conclusion of the season has caused most posters to put zero value in my perspective, which is unfortunate.

Do I have to summon Rainyy to prove that I'm a competent, informed Nets fan? Lol

I dont see how anything you said discredited foye or scola as veteran mentors for this team... other then to say they dont have an impact on the floor, which doesnt really matter much.

show me the evidence where in the gym, in practice, in the community, with regards to managing money, with regards to time spent with family, with regards to becoming a better pro those 2 guys arent valuable and then maybe you can dismiss his post like you did.

also rainny isnt some fantastic reference and most here dont really agree with most of the sentiment posted on ND.

[Prokorov]

Just because you don't know what goes on in the locker room, doesn't mean it's going good.

and us not knowing doesnt means its going bad.... especially when marks/kenny/rhj/etc all sing scola's praises and anytime there is a comminuty event scola is front and center.